IDF Releases Photos of 'Weapons'(A.K.A. Common Items) From Raided Freedom Flotilla Ship
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[QUOTE=WeekendWarrior;22298981]A keyboard, you can do some serious damage with one of those.
/sarcasm[/QUOTE]
Have you seen Wanted? You can knock someone out with that thing
[QUOTE=brainmaster;22300658]So, if I boarded your ship with guns, you wouldn't try to defend it? And consider that we're in international waters.[/QUOTE]
Not if I was on a freedom flotilla
[QUOTE=BurnEmDown;22299252]Hear is the key word here, not see. I didn't see them shoot first, and hearing is much less credible than seeing.
What do you think will be regarded as a better evidence in a court of law:
"I saw him shoot her" or
"I heard him shoot her"?[/QUOTE]
So they shot from the ship with a gun at the soldiers, then hid the gun and proceeded to fight with slingshots and flares (while fighting for their lives, as 13 of them died)?
Riiight.
[QUOTE=Mr. Someguy;22299251]Maybe I'm missing something here but, the Commandos stormed the ship for no reason didn't they? I'd say the resistance was completely justified.[/QUOTE]
Being stormed by Commando's, regardless the reason unless you're defending a Naval vessel is fruitless, they should have surrendered. Who the fuck is stupid enough to try to fight IDF Commando's with pipes and rocks?
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Also, everyone thinks it's funny that flares are considered weapons. Those aren't 'emergency flares' like you'd have to single distress. They're fireworks that give off a bright burn when they're used, which on cameras (Such as those mounted to helicopters, scopes, naval equipment) can completely blind them.
Fireworks are not humanitarian aid.
[QUOTE=CodeMonkey3;22301825]Being stormed by Commando's, regardless the reason unless you're defending a Naval vessel is fruitless, they should have surrendered. Who the fuck is stupid enough to try to fight IDF Commando's with pipes and rocks?[/QUOTE]
They did surrender. The deaths took place within minutes of the ship being attacked.
[QUOTE=NoDachi;22301877]They did surrender. The deaths took place within minutes of the ship being attacked.[/QUOTE]
No they didn't.
The deaths took place after they attacked the IDF.
[QUOTE=CodeMonkey3;22301825]Also, everyone thinks it's funny that flares are considered weapons. Those aren't 'emergency flares' like you'd have to single distress. They're fireworks that give off a bright burn when they're used, which on cameras (Such as those mounted to helicopters, scopes, naval equipment) can completely blind them.
Fireworks are not humanitarian aid.[/QUOTE]
It's standard for ships to carry flares.
[QUOTE=sp00ks;22299739]They were being illegally boarded by hostile soldiers. This is Israel's fault.[/QUOTE]
ITT: Attacking soldiers when you're supposedly 'humanitarians' means it's their fault.
They didn't board the ship guns blazing.
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[QUOTE=NoDachi;22301877]They did surrender. The deaths took place within minutes of the ship being attacked.[/QUOTE]
The soldiers boarded the boat and were instantly attacked, then the gunfire happens. It's clear on the video.
[QUOTE=Glorbo;22301896]No they didn't.
The deaths took place after they attacked the IDF.[/QUOTE]
Event time line.
IDF Attack the ship -> Aid workers die -> Aid workers surrender.
[QUOTE=NoDachi;22301901]It's standard for ships to carry flares.[/QUOTE]
You're completely missing the point that they're fireworks and not ship flares.
[QUOTE=CodeMonkey3;22301825]
Also, everyone thinks it's funny that flares are considered weapons. Those aren't 'emergency flares' like you'd have to single distress. They're fireworks that give off a bright burn when they're used, which on cameras (Such as those mounted to helicopters, scopes, naval equipment) can completely blind them.
Fireworks are not humanitarian aid.[/QUOTE]
Um, are you purposely acting stupid?
Emergency flares are mandatory in case you get lost. In all the videos I seen, I have not seen one activist light one in the air during the commando massacre.
What's funny is that you're saying they knew exactly how the confrontation would result, so they brought these 'helicopter blinding flares'. Try harder.
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[QUOTE=CodeMonkey3;22301925]You're completely missing the point that they're fireworks and not ship flares.[/QUOTE]
:cawg:
[QUOTE=Hoffa1337;22301592]SCUD Fuses.[/QUOTE]
Swamp Gas igniters.
[QUOTE=starpluck;22301974]Um, are you purposely acting stupid?
Emergency flares are mandatory in case you get lost. In all the videos I seen, I have not seen one activist light one in the air.
What's funny is that you're saying they knew exactly how the confrontation would result, so they brought these 'helicopter blinding flares'. Try harder.
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They were found after the fact, I'm just saying that's what they could have been used for. I keep hearing "All ships have flares" which is true but those are fireworks. Look at the cases, they're not typical flares.
[img_thumb]http://img.nauticexpo.com/images_ne/photo-g/red-hand-flare-for-ships-solas-usgc-173855.jpg[/img_thumb]
Compared to "SMOKE TORCH" with several colorful colors.
[img_thumb]http://img686.imageshack.us/img686/8408/sadasdxr.jpg[/img_thumb]
They not just for when you get lost, they're general distress flares. If your ship was sinking you'd light one too.
[QUOTE=NoDachi;22301924]Event time line.
IDF Attack the ship -> Aid workers die -> Aid workers surrender.[/QUOTE]
They only die after they beat the shit out of israeli soldiers.
They aren't really fireworks either, they're smoke flares, emits colored smoke, lots of it.
[QUOTE=Hoffa1337;22302052]They aren't really fireworks either, they're smoke flares, emits colored smoke, lots of it.[/QUOTE]
[img]http://visualrian.com/storage/PreviewWM/3802/10/380210.jpg[/img]
On the left is someone using a smoke torch. They produce smoke by means of an controlled burn which is extremely bright to sensitive imaging equipment.
Actual flares produce a much smaller light, they also create less smoke compared to the firework.
[img]http://www.seahouseslifeboat.org.uk/images/Red%20Hand%20Flare%201.gif[/img]
I'm also not defending Israel, so stop getting your panties in a knot.
[QUOTE=CodeMonkey3;22302082][img]http://visualrian.com/storage/PreviewWM/3802/10/380210.jpg[/img]
On the left is someone using a smoke torch. They produce smoke by means of an controlled burn which is extremely bright to sensitive imaging equipment.
I'm also not defending Israel, so stop getting your panties in a knot.[/QUOTE]
Anything that emits light can be used to mess with nightvision / IR cameras.
[QUOTE=CodeMonkey3;22302082][IMG]http://visualrian.com/storage/PreviewWM/3802/10/380210.jpg[/IMG]
On the left is someone using a smoke torch. They produce smoke by means of an controlled burn which is extremely bright to sensitive imaging equipment.
Actual flares produce a much smaller light, they also create less smoke compared to the firework.
[IMG]http://www.seahouseslifeboat.org.uk/images/Red%20Hand%20Flare%201.gif[/IMG]
I'm also not defending Israel, so stop getting your panties in a knot.[/QUOTE]
You're suggesting that the purpose of these flares was to blind the helos, as if they knew they were going to be there. Its still a flare.
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Also, we might not be seeing the activists story besides that one video that was later [B]CENSORED[/B] and jammed by the Israeli military.
All the recording equipment and cameras have been seized.
[QUOTE=Hoffa1337;22302121]Anything that emits light can be used to mess with nightvision / IR cameras.[/QUOTE]
The only difference is they have a stockpile of fireworks, not flares. They sell them at a Firework place in PA near me for christ sake. You light them up on the 4th of July and make alot smoke with a pretty light.
Emergency flares are a bit more controlled when it comes to light and smoke and are usually clearly marked. Not in colorful paper boxes marked "SMOKE TORCH"
I've used the same product, they're not even water proof. They're round paper cylinders with powder and such inside them. They wouldn't work if they got wet. Which is counter-productive if your ship is sinking and you need to use it.
[QUOTE=CodeMonkey3;22302212]The only difference is they have a stockpile of fireworks, not flares. They sell them at a Firework place in PA near me for christ sake. You light them up on the 4th of July and make alot smoke with a pretty light.
Emergency flares are a bit more controlled when it comes to light and smoke and are usually clearly marked. Not in colorful paper boxes marked "SMOKE TORCH"[/QUOTE]
Why would they have a stockpile of fireworks? They're clearly intended to be used as flares.
[QUOTE=Mr. Someguy;22299251]Maybe I'm missing something here but, the Commandos stormed the ship for no reason didn't they? I'd say the resistance was completely justified.[/QUOTE]
This ship was told several times not to sail into Gaza.
Yes, the ship was attacked in international waters, but their direction was known, and if it happened inside the Israeli borders, none of the international hate would be any different.
Why would Israel not allow aid workers with supplies to come into Gaza?
Because that organization is associated with Hamas and other Muslim extremists. In addition, Turkey shares borders with Syria, and there's a high chance that they had smuggled weapons from these countries, to send them into Gaza.
[i][u]Israel did offer to transfer the supplies, and after a scan, they would send it in to Gaza, and the sail organizers refused.[/u][/i]
And if you're going to say "Yes, because Israel wouldn't transfer them", this is far from true. Israel transfers food, gas and other supplies into Gaza on regular basis.
They were given the best offers and all the reasons to cancel this sail and seek other ways to transfer the goods into Gaza.
They were the ones who insisted on going in, they knew what was coming, and it was nothing but a provocation.
The soldiers were planning to take over the boat quietly, and steer it to the Ashdod port, from where the protesters would proceed to the airport to be transferred back into Turkey, for free. But instead, this is what happened.
Instead of blaming Israel in being "extremely violent", look at the fact that these soldiers were selectively shooting only the protesters that had been attacking them, whereas other countries wouldv'e just sunken the boat that was soon to be trespassing it's borders, without thinking twice.
[QUOTE=Splurgy;22302255]Why would they have a stockpile of fireworks? They're clearly intended to be used as flares.[/QUOTE]
They're not even water proof. I've used the same brand before which I bought from a Firework store. (Same one the NY bomber got his from funny enough) I thought it was kind of funny when I saw them. They stockpiled fireworks because they create more light and more smoke, you could use them to fuck with NVG's and IR equipment or throw them around like smoke grenades if you wanted too. If you wanted to throw them at people too, hell that'd really ruin your day because they fucking burn.
Real emergency flares can't be used for either of those purposes, perhaps you could burn yourself with one but it's a bit harder on an emergency flare because the only ignition source is at the top and it's very small and directional.
Flares on a ship?
Sounds nefarious.
Read the post above you. They're fireworks.
[QUOTE=STeel;22302342]This ship was told several times not to sail into Gaza.
Yes, the ship was attacked in international waters, but their direction was known, and if it happened inside the Israeli borders, none of the international hate would be any different.
Why would Israel not allow aid workers with supplies to come into Gaza?
Because that organization is associated with Hamas and other Muslim extremists. In addition, Turkey shares borders with countries like Syria, Lebanon, and there's a high chance that they had smuggled weapons from these countries, to send them into Gaza.
[I][U]Israel did offer to transfer the supplies, and after a scan, they would send it in to Gaza, and the sail organizers refused.[/U][/I]
And if you're going to say "Yes, because Israel wouldn't transfer them", this is far from true. Israel transfers food, gas and other supplies into Gaza on regular basis.
They were given the best offers and all the reasons to cancel this sail and seek other ways to transfer the goods into Gaza.
They were the ones who insisted on going in, they knew what was coming, and it was nothing but a provocation.
The soldiers were planning to take over the boat quietly, and steer it to the Ashdod port, from where the protesters would proceed to the airport to be transferred back into Turkey, for free. But instead, this is what happened.
Instead of blaming Israel in being "extremely violent", look at the fact that these soldiers were selectively shooting only the protesters that had been attacking them, whereas other countries wouldv'e just sunken the boat that was soon to be trespassing it's borders, without thinking twice.[/QUOTE]
You seem to have quickly believed the the IDFs story regardless of their past coverups. You only seen what the IDF edited and wanted you to know, you know propaganda.
The only video there was, from the ship was immediately signal jammed by the IDF, cutting the video. All the recording devices were also seized.
[quote=PressTv]Israel is holding the detainees under severe media censorship and actually cut off from the outside world, ensuring no contradiction of its version of Monday's events.[/quote]
What's also amusing is that the deported activists (Greek) stated that the Israeli Commandos fired first, when interviewed by AP. They were also forced to sign a Hebrew document without the presence of lawyers or translators, about admitting that you broke the law.
And yet you believe a edited video of the IDF that doesn't show anything prior to the video, to a video showing events prior to the raid that was later cut my IDF signal jamming and all the activists on ship.
Everything you said was based off Israelis edited story, good job.
I remembered something else, those things need to be lit. Normal emergency flares have a cap or a some sort of ignition source built onto them. Those fireworks need a lighter or something. It again makes it hard to believe they're intended to be 'emergency flares'
[QUOTE=CodeMonkey3;22302498]Read the post above you. They're fireworks.[/QUOTE]
I'll take your word for it despite usually ignoring anecdotal arguments
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Decide for yourself gentlemen.
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