IDF Releases Photos of 'Weapons'(A.K.A. Common Items) From Raided Freedom Flotilla Ship - Polidicks

[QUOTE=starpluck;22303094] They did.[/QUOTE] Please do show me the video.

[QUOTE=starpluck;22303094]The video from on board. Unfortunately, it was cut after 9 minutes since Israeli military censorship (Yes that's what it is called by Reueters, BBC etc.) signal jammed the boards communications preventing it from informing the media. [/QUOTE] In fairness, isn't jamming communications standard procedure in most/all military engagements?

[QUOTE=David29;22303169]In fairness, isn't jamming communications standard procedure in most/all military engagements?[/QUOTE] Yeah but its ok to use it in a fair game. Its just low to use it when engaging a civil ship.

[QUOTE=Zarfa;22303221]Yeah but its ok to use it in a fair game. Its just low to use it when engaging a civil ship.[/QUOTE] What if the ship isn't acting 'civil'?

[QUOTE=Zarfa;22303221]Yeah but its ok to use it in a fair game. Its just low to use it when engaging a civil ship.[/QUOTE] Wait, if they jammed communications, how the hell did al jazira manage to broadcast AFTER the raid on the ship?

[QUOTE=David29;22303169]In fairness, isn't jamming communications standard procedure in most/all military engagements?[/QUOTE] No, that is usually when fighting against an enemy force, to prevent radio communications etc. According to Reuters, they jammed the signals to prevent them from reporting the drama at seas, if Israel knew what they're doing was right, they'd be no point in signal jamming. [QUOTE=STeel;22303152]Please do show me the video.[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=Glorbo;22303139]Footage, please? The broadcast from al jazira, which was still there when the israelis went on the ship did not report or mention any of this.[/QUOTE] [url]http://www9.gazetevatan.com/israil-turk-bayrakli-yardim-gemisinde-olum-kustu/308396/1/Gundem[/url] It shows before they entered, you can see the Israeli boat going around the ship, gun shots and wounded crewman. [editline]04:51PM[/editline] [QUOTE=David29;22303238]What if the ship isn't acting 'civil'?[/QUOTE] Eh? If a ship is getting attacked and starts defending itself, you advocate preventing it being able to report what's going on?

[QUOTE=Bad)-(and;22302787] Having looked at the photos. I can see Knives, hammers, sledgehammers, a axe (I think may be a hammer), wooden clubs and dozens of metal rods. Taking that into account, and the fact that I've seen the videos of the protestors violently attacking the IDF as the board the ship. I can honestly say that I believe the IDF did the right hing, and if I were in their shoes, I wouldn't have done it any differently.[/QUOTE] Are you defending the initial raid or just the IDF soldier's actions during it

I don't get why people defend the activists so much. If there were 5 guys kicking you and hitting you with metal pole, and someones approaching you with a knife, who [I]wouldn't shoot[/I]. I'm not saying that Israel was fully innocent, though I do believe they had a reason to check the ship, even though it was wrong to board the ship on international waters. But what a fucking great idea to attack armed soldiers with knifes and poles. What did they expect to happen. They wouldn't have been harmed if they had let them check the ship. Though I must admit don't know whats going on now in Israel & Gaza, so don't take my comment too seriously.

[QUOTE=starpluck;22303259]No, that is usually when fighting against an enemy force, to prevent radio communications etc. According to Reuters, they jammed the signals to prevent them from reporting the drama at seas, if Israel knew what they're doing was right, they'd be no point in signal jamming. [url]http://www9.gazetevatan.com/israil-turk-bayrakli-yardim-gemisinde-olum-kustu/308396/1/Gundem[/url] It shows before they entered, you can see the Israeli boat going around the ship, gun shots and wounded crewman. [editline]04:51PM[/editline] Eh? If a ship is getting attacked and starts defending itself, you advocate preventing it being able to report what's going on?[/QUOTE] I'm sorry, I don't see at which point Israeli boats shoot the boat, and perhaps if I missed it please do tell me at which time segment to look. I see them patrolling, and I see footage from different times of the event. Many of these videos do not match chronologically. How do you know that the videos of the injured people are not from after the raid over the ship? And if Israel controls what it's showing to the world, why did they announce the number of injured and killed people, how would it favor Israel? And notice this: It was Israel who announced it, seeing as the communications on board are jammed. Also, if they waited until the ship reaches the Israeli waters, it wouldv'e reached the Gaza shores, from where they couldv'e recieved armed back up, to just gets things worse and have more killed people.

[QUOTE=starpluck;22303259]No, that is usually when fighting against an enemy force, to prevent radio communications etc. According to Reuters, they jammed the signals to prevent them from reporting the drama at seas, if Israel knew what they're doing was right, they'd be no point in signal jamming.[/QUOTE] Doesn't make sense. If the IDF were attacking with intent, common sense would have told them to start jamming before they attacked. However, if the IDF were provoked then the jamming would have been used as a response and - as it was - delayed.

[QUOTE=STeel;22303393] And if Israel controls what it's showing to the world, why did they announce the number of injured and killed people, how would it favor Israel? And notice this: It was Israel who announced it, seeing as the communications on board are jammed.[/QUOTE] If they denied it, it would be much worse for them in the end.

[QUOTE=Zeke129;22303493]If they denied it, it would be much worse for them in the end.[/QUOTE] No, not really. They couldv'e just not told anything, without actually denying it.

[QUOTE=STeel;22303393]I'm sorry, I don't see at which point Israeli boats shoot the boat, and perhaps if I missed it please do tell me at which time segment to look.[/QUOTE] At around 0:11, you can see the Israeli boat patrolling, then if you listen closely, you can hear a gunshot and everyone ducks, [quote] I see them patrolling, and I see footage from different times of the event. Many of these videos do not match chronologically. How do you know that the videos of the injured people are not from after the raid over the ship?[/quote] They stated that after one person died, they later raised a white flag, this is what happened, then later in the video, they boarded the ship. [quote] And if Israel controls what it's showing to the world, why did they announce the number of injured and killed people, how would it favor Israel?[/quote] Its the videos only, that is Israeli, not the story entirely. Though most of the story is based off the IDF videos. [quote] And notice this: It was Israel who announced it, seeing as the communications on board are jammed.[/quote]Watch the video again. They mention how Israel jammed their cellphones and are in the process of dismantling their satellite to prevent coverage of the story. Al-Jazzera stated that this was as far as they reported until it got cut.

See, you can [i]hear[/i] gunshots, not see them, especially nothing that originates from the patrolling boats. How do you know that this wasn't fabricated as well?

[QUOTE=STeel;22303596]See, you can [i]hear[/i] gunshots, not see them, especially nothing that originates from the patrolling boats. How do you know that this wasn't fabricated as well?[/QUOTE] Because news agencies are known to add sound effects, also they had a Cray computer that could edit the video in real-time during the stream.

No, but there are about enough ways to make the sound of a few bumps, that indeed can sound like gunshots.

[QUOTE=STeel;22303596]See, you can [I]hear[/I] gunshots, not see them, especially nothing that originates from the patrolling boats. How do you know that this wasn't fabricated as well?[/QUOTE] The gunshots sound were heard as the boat was looking at the boat, then everyone ducked. About its credibility as long as with the IDF, we'll have to wait for the conclusions of investigations by the U.N etc.

[QUOTE=STeel;22303634]No, but there are about enough ways to make the sound of a few bumps, that indeed can sound like gunshots.[/QUOTE] It's a conspiracy! :allears:

[QUOTE=Hoffa1337;22303648]It's a conspiracy! :allears:[/QUOTE] I'm just countering his arguments by using the same arguments. You want to believe that everything from that ship is true, just like I want to believe that most, if not everything of what Israel states, is also true.

[QUOTE=STeel;22303634]No, but there are about enough ways to make the sound of a few bumps, that indeed can sound like gunshots.[/QUOTE] So, gunshots being simulated while the boat facing the ship & everyone ducking was a coincidence? [editline]05:15PM[/editline] Also gunshots at 4:48

[QUOTE=starpluck;22303673]So, gunshots being simulated while the boat facing the ship & everyone ducking was a coincidence?[/QUOTE] Why simulated? What if it was one of the protesters on board who was shooting the Israeli boats, while the people around the camera thought it was Israeli gunshots. "It is just ridiculous to shoot a boat with a pistol." Yes it is, but people also shoot tanks with pistols, when they are scared. At 4:48 there are no gunshots, and it is footage from either late evening before they got near Israel, or in early morning after the operation was over.

[QUOTE=starpluck;22303565]At around 0:11, you can see the Israeli boat patrolling, then if you listen closely, you can hear a gunshot and everyone ducks,[/QUOTE] Does 1 man=everyone? [QUOTE=starpluck;22303565] They stated that after one person died, they later raised a white flag, this is what happened, then later in the video, they boarded the ship. [/QUOTE] After 1 man died during the helicopter raid. [QUOTE=starpluck;22303565]Watch the video again. They mention how Israel jammed their cellphones and are in the process of dismantling their satellite to prevent coverage of the story. Al-Jazzera stated that this was as far as they reported until it got cut.[/QUOTE] Theres no "process" for jamming satellites. You just point a large enough signle to the satellite and presto. Again, why they didn't do it before they stormed the ship is beyond my knowlage.

[QUOTE=STeel;22303722]Why simulated? What if it was one of the protesters on board who was shooting the Israeli boats, while the people around the camera thought it was Israeli gunshots. "It is just ridiculous to shoot a boat with a pistol." Yes it is, but people also shoot tanks with pistols, when they are scared. [/QUOTE] All right; you're now suggesting that ship had smuggled guns, right?

[QUOTE=starpluck;22303784]All right; you're now suggesting that ship had smuggled guns, right?[/QUOTE] I'm not suggesting this now. I never said that the people on board didn't have firearms.

[QUOTE=Glorbo;22303748]Does 1 man=everyone?[/quote] Everyone in front of the camera view. [quote] After 1 man died during the helicopter raid. Theres no "process" for jamming satellites. You just point a large enough signle to the satellite and presto.[/quote]The man on board said that they jammed the signals, so their cell phones are unusable, but are attempting to dismantle their satellite or something like that. [quote] Again, why they didn't do it before they stormed the ship is beyond my knowlage.[/QUOTE]That's what they did..

[QUOTE=starpluck;22303784]All right; you're now suggesting that ship had smuggled guns, right?[/QUOTE] Maybe. *sniff* Maybe. Also, if this will get an investigation, they should just check to see if there are any bullet holes on the lower sides of the ship. If there are, I will abandon my opinion compleatly and join you.

[QUOTE=STeel;22303800]I'm not suggesting this now. I never said that the people on board didn't have firearms.[/QUOTE] They (the crewman) didn't have firearms.. lol [editline]05:23PM[/editline] [QUOTE=Glorbo;22303819]Maybe. *sniff* Maybe. Also, if this will get an investigation, they should just check to see if there are any bullet holes on the lower sides of the ship. If there are, I will abandon my opinion compleatly and join you.[/QUOTE] Deal.

[QUOTE=starpluck;22303818]Everyone in front of the camera view. The man on board said that they jammed the signals, so their cell phones are unusable, but are attempting to dismantle their satellite or something like that. [QUOTE] 1. there was only 1 man in view 2. dismantleing their satelite? WHAT? What manner of bullshit is this?

[QUOTE=Glorbo;22303819]Maybe. *sniff* Maybe. Also, if this will get an investigation, they should just check to see if there are any bullet holes on the lower sides of the ship. If there are, I will abandon my opinion compleatly and join you.[/QUOTE] Same here. But as of now, I do not believe so. How do you know that nobody on board had no firearms. I'm not saying that the gunshots came from where the camera was at. This boat is large.

[QUOTE=Glorbo;22303837][QUOTE=starpluck;22303818]Everyone in front of the camera view. The man on board said that they jammed the signals, so their cell phones are unusable, but are attempting to dismantle their satellite or something like that. [/QUOTE] [QUOTE] 1. there was only 1 man in view 2. dismantleing their satelite? WHAT? What manner of bullshit is this?[/QUOTE]I know, I know, one minute, let me re-watch it,