IDF Releases Photos of 'Weapons'(A.K.A. Common Items) From Raided Freedom Flotilla Ship - Polidicks

Flares. The ultimate anti-air weapon.

[QUOTE=ChestyMcGee;22303903]Flares. The ultimate anti-air weapon.[/QUOTE] 1.It's fireworks, so there is no reason for them being on board. 2.Ever get hit by a firework? I have. Wasn't exactly joyfull. Oh, and you failed to mention somehow all the knives and wodden clubs that were there.

Ok. Here's what he said: "...all phones have been jammed. making it impossible to contact the outside world, they have tried to dismantle the satellite that we are trying to broadcast from, however this remains operational and, the organizers are telling me that we are now raising the whiteflag..." I suppose he misused the word 'dismantle'.

[QUOTE=starpluck;22303976]Ok. Here's what he said: "...all phones have been jammed. making it impossible to contact the outside world, they have tried to dismantle the satellite that we are trying to broadcast from, however this remains operational and, the organizers are telling me that we are now raising the whiteflag..." I suppose he misused the word 'dismantle'.[/QUOTE] Maybe, but that still doesn't explain why they didn't try to do it earlier. Again, jamming a satelite isn't that hard (equipment-wise, that is).

[QUOTE=Glorbo;22303930]1.It's fireworks, so there is no reason for them being on board.[/quote] They're not fireworks, the IDF even acknowledged them as flares. I don't why someone thought that they were fireworks, even if they were, they were for emergency purposes. [quote] 2.Ever get hit by a firework? I have. Wasn't exactly joyfull.[/quote] Irrelevant, no one was hit with one. [quote] Oh, and you failed to mention somehow all the knives and wodden clubs that were there.[/QUOTE] They were construction materials etc. However the kitchen knives were seized from the kitchen, you aren't suggesting that ships shouldn't have kitchen knives? There's also no evidence proving they used them.

[QUOTE=starpluck;22304020]They're not fireworks, the IDF even acknowledged them as flares. I don't why someone thought that they were fireworks, even if they were, they were for emergency purposes. Irrelevant, no one was hit with one. They were construction materials etc. However the kitchen knives were seized from the kitchen, you aren't suggesting that ships shouldn't have kitchen knives? There's also no evidence proving they used them.[/QUOTE] Lets drop this fireworks/flares issue. And by the way, Who uses a switchblade for cutting vegetables? [url]http://idfspokesperson.files.wordpress.com/2010/06/10.jpg[/url] Also, a club wrapped around with duct tapte is hardly what I call construction meterial. Wrenches I can understand.

So you're denying that these were used to attack the boarding soldiers? If they were construction materials, wouldn't there be more of them, as in, a whole lot more?

So wait, who is at fault here?

[QUOTE=Ignhelper;22304118]So wait, who is at fault here?[/QUOTE] Israelis boarded the ship with paintball guns and pistols as emergency sidearms. Were immediatly attack with metal rods, chairs and slingshots by aid workers. Only used pistols when the command was given, about 1:30 in. They were already properly lynched by then, with soldiers thorwn off the deck, beaten with metal and wooden clubs with one man injured by gunshot wounds fired from an aid worker who grabbed a pistol from one soldier.

[QUOTE=Glorbo;22304066]Lets drop this fireworks/flares issue. And by the way, Who uses a switchblade for cutting vegetables? [url]http://idfspokesperson.files.wordpress.com/2010/06/10.jpg[/url] Also, a club wrapped around with duct tapte is hardly what I call construction meterial. Wrenches I can understand.[/QUOTE] It's not like these guys were going to the safest place in the world, they were transporting aid to the gaza strip. The amount of blades there is negligible compared to the amount of people that were on the ship, and that's not even factoring in that alot of them look like kitchen knives. If these guys really wanted to fight you think they would only take a few switchblades?

[QUOTE=BAZ;22304248]It's not like these guys were going to the safest place in the world, they were transporting aid to the gaza strip. The amount of blades there is negligible compared to the amount of people that were on the ship, and that's not even factoring in that alot of them look like kitchen knives. If these guys really wanted to fight you think they would only take a few switchblades?[/QUOTE] What about the other objects, and the protester's fists and legs?

[QUOTE=Glorbo;22304143]Israelis boarded the ship with paintball guns and pistols as emergency sidearms. Were immediatly attack with metal rods, chairs and slingshots by aid workers. Only used pistols when the command was given, about 1:30 in. They were already properly lynched by then, with soldiers thorwn off the deck, beaten with metal and wooden clubs with one man injured by gunshot wounds fired from an aid worker who grabbed a pistol from one soldier.[/QUOTE] Don't worry guys, this man clearly knows what he's talking about. He reads IDF.

[QUOTE=Relys;22304268]Don't worry guys, this man clearly knows what he's talking about. He reads IDF.[/QUOTE] Here we go with the "fake" saying again. But okay even if it's fake, I'll take a step backwards. Why, if they're peace supporters and care about human rights, told Israel that they will not give them to inspect the contents of the ship, prior to the sail? Why, knowing that Israel will use the Navy to stop them, they didn't let Israel transfer the supplies. If they truly cared about the citizens of Gaza, they'd go for it, in order to let them actually get these supplies.

[QUOTE=BAZ;22304248]It's not like these guys were going to the safest place in the world, they were transporting aid to the gaza strip. The amount of blades there is negligible compared to the amount of people that were on the ship, and that's not even factoring in that alot of them look like kitchen knives. If these guys really wanted to fight you think they would only take a few switchblades?[/QUOTE] And yet they attacked the soldiers.

[QUOTE=Glorbo;22304356]And yet they attacked the soldiers.[/QUOTE] That usually happens when you illegally board a ship in international waters.

[QUOTE=Relys;22304268]Don't worry guys, this man clearly knows what he's talking about. He reads IDF.[/QUOTE] And you know what you are talking about too, your'e seeing al jazira. HOW IS THAT AN ARGUMENT? If you don't have evidence against me, then I'm right. What the IDF has to say has the same weight as what the media on the boat had to say. [editline]04:55PM[/editline] [QUOTE=starpluck;22304372]That usually happens when you illegally board a ship in international waters.[/QUOTE] How come it didn't happen in any of the other ships? They should have surrendered and sued them afterwards.

[QUOTE=STeel;22304264]What about the other objects, and the protester's fists and legs?[/QUOTE] You think that warrents using live ammo?

[QUOTE=BAZ;22304420]You think that warrents using live ammo?[/QUOTE] After 2 minutes of soldiers getting beaten up with poles, chairs and slingshots and not doing a thing-yes. Contrary to your belief, metal poles and chairs smashed on your head can ACTUALLY CAUSE DAMAGE.

[QUOTE=starpluck;22304372]That usually happens when you illegally board a ship in international waters.[/QUOTE] I don't see Somali pirates who board ships only in order to steal them, getting massively beaten up, and thrown off board.

[QUOTE=Glorbo;22304390] How come it didn't happen in any of the other ships? They should have surrendered and sued them afterwards.[/QUOTE] Sued? They can't sue them. Just because the other ships surrendered doesn't make the international waters argument invalid, they were intimidated by the Israeli army then surrendered. After all that stress, and them firing at the boats prior to boarding according to sources, they fought back against the pirates.

[QUOTE=starpluck;22304462]Sued? They can't sue them. Just because the other ships surrendered doesn't make the international waters argument invalid, they were intimidated by the Israeli army then surrendered. After all that stress, and them firing at the boats prior to boarding according to sources, they fought back against the pirates.[/QUOTE] They can be sued. And nobody has answered my question, why did they go in first place, knowing that they will meet Israeli resistance. Their intent was to enter Israeli waters, despite being restricted to do that. This is just as illegal as stopping a boat in international waters.

[QUOTE=starpluck;22304462]Sued? They can't sue them. Just because the other ships surrendered doesn't make the international waters argument invalid, they were intimidated by the Israeli army then surrendered. After all that stress, and them firing at the boats prior to boarding according to sources, they fought back against the pirates.[/QUOTE] Bullshit. If their original perpose was to deliver aid, they wouldn't have attacked. Israel said it themselves-They would transfer ALL equipment from the ships to gaza under the supervision of the organizers of the cruise.

[QUOTE=Glorbo;22304507]Bullshit. If their original perpose was to deliver aid, they wouldn't have attacked. Israel said it themselves-They would transfer ALL equipment from the ships to gaza under the organizers supervision.[/QUOTE] They boarded a ship full of campaigners and aid workers who were aiding victims of israels attacks, which was travelling in international waters. What was israel thinking? The fact they were sending trained armed soldiers into a ship load of aid workers who dispise isreal just escalated things. Isreal should have never used live ammo, and should have never have been there in the first place.

[QUOTE=Glorbo;22303930]1.It's fireworks, so there is no reason for them being on board. 2.Ever get hit by a firework? I have. Wasn't exactly joyfull. Oh, and you failed to mention somehow all the knives and wodden clubs that were there.[/QUOTE] It was just a joke, dude. I think you need to chill out. Regardless, flares are quite necessary for safety purposes.

[QUOTE=Glorbo;22304444]After 2 minutes of soldiers getting beaten up with poles, chairs and slingshots and not doing a thing-yes. Contrary to your belief, metal poles and chairs smashed on your head can ACTUALLY CAUSE DAMAGE.[/QUOTE] Because the only way to stop a chair wielding humanitarian who's defending himself from helicopter rappelling pirates is to pull off a fatal shot. Join Date: 31st May 2010 85 Posts of quality PR :dance:

theres no need for propaganda, we have video of soldiers being mobbed and attacked. Thats all the justification really needed for soldiers to open fire and kill the attackers, pretty much. now you can argue about whether or not israeli soldiers should have landed on the ships, you can argue about whether or not israel should be blockading gaza. but you cant argue about whether or not it was justified for israeli soldiers to open fire, when we have video of soldiers being mobbed and attacked.

[QUOTE=BAZ;22304528]They boarded a ship full of campaigners and aid workers who were aiding victims of israels attacks, which was travelling in international waters. What was israel thinking? The fact they were sending trained armed soldiers into a ship load of aid workers who dispise isreal just escalated things. Isreal should have never used live ammo, and should have never have been there in the first place.[/QUOTE] They wanted to scan the ships for ammunition and armaments. What's so wrong with that? You can just let them inspect it and get it transfered to gaza.

[QUOTE=STeel;22304446]I don't see Somali pirates who board ships only in order to steal them, getting massively beaten up, and thrown off board.[/QUOTE] You don't see Somali Pirates board a ship that contains 600 activists on a ideological mission. Not 10-20 poor crew members trying to make a living by operating a vessle that doesn't even belong to them, but another corperation.

[QUOTE=BAZ;22304528]They boarded a ship full of campaigners and aid workers who were aiding victims of israels attacks, which was travelling in international waters. What was israel thinking? The fact they were sending trained armed soldiers into a ship load of aid workers who dispise isreal just escalated things. Isreal should have never used live ammo, and should have never have been there in the first place.[/QUOTE] Nor should have this boat been there. And whatever happened prior to them boarding, Soldiers getting raided and outnumbered does justify the use of firearms. Not only in Israel, but everywhere.

[QUOTE=STeel;22304504]They can be sued.[/quote] Not Israel. [quote] And nobody has answered my question, why did they go in first place, knowing that they will meet Israeli resistance.[/quote] They were determined to enter Gaza, and since the Israeli blockade isn't legal making the activists held not liable for the actions. [quote] Their intent was to enter Israeli waters, despite being restricted to do that. This is just as illegal as stopping a boat in international waters.[/QUOTE] Gaza is not Israeli waters, (2005). And no to your last statement.