Almost Every Major Poll Shows Bernie Sanders Challenging Clinton and Defeating Republicans.
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what are your thoughts on Ted Cruz?
Bernie and Hillary are actually very similar candidates. I think most of you would be surprised.
The biggest difference is that Hillary is a big name in politics, and she has a lot more money. Bernie is more honest, but a bit more extreme on some topics.
Basically, if you like what Bernie is saying, there's no reason to ditch Hillary for a Republican (or nothing).
[QUOTE=HookerVomit;48395709]what are your thoughts on Ted Cruz?[/QUOTE]
I think he's doing great as well. Tbh all of them are doing great except trump and christie. They're both dopes and should not be running. Trump is only good for raising the questions that need to be asked and he's not afraid to speak his mind. Otherwise he's a turd.
[QUOTE=Squad1993;48395755]I think he's doing great as well. Tbh all of them are doing great except trump and christie. They're both dopes and should not be running. Trump is only good for raising the questions that need to be asked and he's not afraid to speak his mind. Otherwise he's a turd.[/QUOTE]
My boyfriend said he thinks what is going to happen is, Trump and Jeb are going to leave and split into third parties and then they are going to allow Hilary to win all the votes. :(
I hope they wouldn't be that stupid. Splitting the vote would surely kill republican chances in this election.
[QUOTE=Squad1993;48395870]I hope they wouldn't be that stupid. Splitting the vote would surely kill republican chances in this election.[/QUOTE]
Thank goodness. The last thing the US needs is more republicans in office.
[QUOTE=archangel125;48396203]Thank goodness. The last thing the US needs is more democrats in office.[/QUOTE]
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I'm a bit fed up with obama and I can't believe that I was behind him for his first 3 years
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I'm a bit fed up with obama and I can't believe that I was behind him for his first 3 years[/QUOTE]
No matter what democrats do outside of social policies, the republican stance on science, foreign affairs, war, and social issues has sold them as a party I will never be voting for excepting a truly outstanding candidate with good voting history. Which none of the current candidates have. So yeah, no.
[editline]7th August 2015[/editline]
and Obama isn't the worst, could still be worse off. He has done some positive things but msot of the time anyone against him refuses to acknowledge those anyways and instead takes point on why they should hate him from talking heads and tv show pundits
Bernie Sanders is the best option for the US if you want to fix your shitty Education, Healthcare, Lobby problems.
[QUOTE=paindoc;48396759]No matter what democrats do outside of social policies, the republican stance on science, foreign affairs, war, and social issues has sold them as a party I will never be voting for excepting a truly outstanding candidate with good voting history. Which none of the current candidates have. So yeah, no.[/QUOTE]
I couldn't agree with this statement more. I feel as though Republicans will have to change their values immensely if they lose this next election, mostly on the social and science front. Anti-abortion, anti-gay, anti-environment, anti-sex, pro-Christianity (and Christianity alone), and anti-drug stances are just not very popular to recent generations, myself included.
Keep in mind it is important to vote, especially if you are in the 18-29 year old range. 18-29 year olds only made up [b]nineteen[/b] percent of last elections voters. Compare this to those from 40-64, which makes up a whopping [b]forty eight[/b] percent, mostly favoring the GOP. Encourage your friends to vote; the young adults of today are the future of the country, yet we hardly have a say as it stands.
I really hope one of either Bernie or Hillary wins. Obviously, I'm big behind Bernie and I'm hopefully going to be doing tons of volunteer work for his campaign but Hillary wouldn't be all that bad either. I genuinely can't understand why anyone supports any of the current republican candidates, however. America is starting to fall behind the rest of the first world and I'd hate for people to realize it when it's too late.
[QUOTE=Mobon1;48397404]I couldn't agree with this statement more. I feel as though Republicans will have to change their values immensely if they lose this next election, mostly on the social and science front. Anti-abortion, anti-gay, anti-environment, anti-sex, pro-Christianity (and Christianity alone), and anti-drug stances are just not very popular to recent generations, myself included.
Keep in mind it is important to vote, especially if you are in the 18-29 year old range. 18-29 year olds only made up [b]nineteen[/b] percent of last elections voters. Compare this to those from 40-64, which makes up a whopping [b]forty eight[/b] percent, all in favor of the GOP. Encourage your friends to vote; the young adults of today are the future of the country, yet we hardly have a say as it stands.[/QUOTE]
I agree wholeheartedly. Their stances on social issues are just pure pandering to intolerant old bigots which is outright toxic to the nation. They really need to do away with their stuck-in-the-past ways and catch up with what year it is, and the only way to make that happen is to get more of the youth out to the polls.
[QUOTE=Duck M.;48397410]I genuinely can't understand why anyone supports any of the current republican candidates[/QUOTE]
I'm going to keep shilling for Rand on this when I say that he's a fantastic candidate. Heavily supportive of gun rights, the legalization of marijuana, decriminalization of (most) drugs, and term limits for Congress. Heavily against the NSA/Patriot Act, Guantanamo Bay, and military spending. Has great economical plans for cutting spending as well as refreshingly new takes on education reform and the amount of government involvement in marriage.
He isn't perfect, but saying you can't understand why he's a reasonable candidate is a bit much. You're acting like the entire bunch of them are reflected images of Donald Trump.
After watching today's debate I'm a little shakier on Jeb after hearing that he supported common core (allegedly?) based on his response to that question though it seems like he's not entirely for common core, so I still think he'd still be a good candidate.
Donald Trump provided some nice wit and a few good points but overall he's still not a good option.
I was pleasantly surprised by Rand, I would not mind him beating Bush at all.
Carson also seems like a good option but to be quite frank I don't know if he has enough momentum from the Republicans as a whole. Hell they barely gave him any points so I didn't get to know his policy. He did provide some valuable insight onto the whole race issue though, which I think was his best moment in the debate.
Other than the ones I just mentioned everyone else doesn't seem to stand out (except for Rubio who performed pretty solidly). All I know is that there are more good options for the Republican candidate than I initially thought.
[QUOTE=thelurker1234;48387300]It is important to say though, if bernie can't win the democrat nomination it's still important to vote for hillary. As it's very likely that while she isn't that great, she'll likely be better than whomever the republicans put up (of course, it's too early to say.). Unless we want a repeat of ralph nader in 2000.
Though, the plus side to trump is that comedians will have more fresh material than they know what to do with for 2016-2020. So there's that[/QUOTE]
For someone that is around 20 and finds government dealings to be extremely boring and gross: is it misplaced cynicism to think that there's literally no way the Republican candidate will ever be preferable to the democrat candidate in the next like, 24 years?
I am not basing that opinion on anything in particular, but I want to know if that jerk feeling is possibly justified.
[QUOTE=Mbbird;48399353]For someone that is around 20 and finds government dealings to be extremely boring and gross: is it misplaced cynicism to think that there's literally no way the Republican candidate will ever be preferable to the democrat candidate in the next like, 24 years?
I am not basing that opinion on anything in particular, but I want to know if that jerk feeling is possibly justified.[/QUOTE]
You would think, but typically the cycle is to have a republican president then a democratic one, sometimes you have repeats, it also largely is determined by how the last president did, a good part of Obama's electoral success had to do with bushes decisions and failures, this time around however the economy is doing pretty well thanks to Obama, so that's a boon for democrats, either way this election cycle there are a lot of interesting candidates and it will be fun to watch whatever the outcome :p
[QUOTE=HookerVomit;48387277]I really hope Hilary doesn't win. I don't even know how the fuck Trump is even a candidate to begin with.[/QUOTE]
Because our government sucks, and are hell bent on doing things the same same same. Trump will fuck it all up. Even if he's BAD it'll be good
All he really captures is that college age democratic crowd
I say this as someone that agrees with him on a lot of stuff
[QUOTE=HookerVomit;48395709]what are your thoughts on Ted Cruz?[/QUOTE]
He's a sociopath who shut down the government for the sole purpose of impressing the tea party and if what I hear is true he's continued to sell out to the extreme right wing in a race that already has an impressive share of nutjobs. Nevertheless he's not stupid, he's not going to make an ass of himself on a televised debate. He'll do that once it's over.
[QUOTE=Sand Castle;48399864]All he really captures is that college age democratic crowd
I say this as someone that agrees with him on a lot of stuff[/QUOTE]
I'm gonna disagree, Bernie has plenty of middle aged - elderly supporters.
[QUOTE=Monkah;48397931]I'm going to keep shilling for Rand on this when I say that he's a fantastic candidate. Heavily supportive of gun rights, the legalization of marijuana, decriminalization of (most) drugs, and term limits for Congress. Heavily against the NSA/Patriot Act, Guantanamo Bay, and military spending. Has great economical plans for cutting spending as well as refreshingly new takes on education reform and the amount of government involvement in marriage.
He isn't perfect, but saying you can't understand why he's a reasonable candidate is a bit much. You're acting like the entire bunch of them are reflected images of Donald Trump.[/QUOTE]
Admittedly, Rand isn't all that bad but he's going to end up having to sacrifice his libertarian beliefs to pander to the republican voters. It's happened to him before and it will likely happen again.
[QUOTE=Duck M.;48401551]Admittedly, Rand isn't all that bad but he's going to end up having to sacrifice his libertarian beliefs to pander to the republican voters. It's happened to him before and it will likely happen again.[/QUOTE]
Not all his libertarian beliefs, I'm sure he'll try and uphold the economic belifes of his totally-not-namesake Ayn.
[QUOTE=Aredbomb;48400948]He's a sociopath who shut down the government for the sole purpose of impressing the tea party and if what I hear is true he's continued to sell out to the extreme right wing in a race that already has an impressive share of nutjobs. Nevertheless he's not stupid, he's not going to make an ass of himself on a televised debate. He'll do that once it's over.[/QUOTE]
you know what's terrifying?
he praised egyptian president el-sisi on how he's handled islamist terrorism.
you know, el-sisi, the guy who has jailed and murdered thousands of dissenters in egypt since the coup of the muslim brotherhood.
cruz is a shit-crazy far-right windbag that epitomizes everything wrong with the GOP today.
[QUOTE=Squad1993;48390100]Really unsure about this guy. Socialism is just bad news.[/QUOTE]
Not in the collectivized agriculture and gulag sort of way.
Algemeen Dagblad (newspaper here) says Trump is beating every other republican candidate by a mile. :v:
It'll actually be good if Trump wins the Republican nomination - It's the best way to guarantee a Democrat president in 2016.
[QUOTE=archangel125;48410203]It'll actually be good if Trump wins the Republican nomination - It's the best way to guarantee a Democrat president in 2016.[/QUOTE]
Hardly a good thing
[QUOTE=BFG9000;48417323]Hardly a good thing[/QUOTE]
Much better than having any of the current runners from the Reblican party from what I've seen. They're either incompetent media darlings, straight up sociopathic or too Christian to keep it out of their politics.
Right wing economics and its focus on cutting spending is not what your country needs right now. It needs its spending restructured to ensure those who actually need help are getting it (so actually implement nationalised healthcare you fucks), and loopholes closing so that the tax income actually works as needed.
Of course that's never going to happen as both major parties are too right wing to even realise what real left wing politics looks like. And that's kinda sad really.
I've seen left wing politics in your country and I can't say I'm impressed. My issue with left wing economics is that it's too short-sighted. It always seems to be spend this now and we'll worry about the costs it creates later. It's a viscious cycle.
Well, that's Labour for you, I guess.
We will not be stupid enough to elect Clinton, Sanders will win because people are smarter then they used to be. You people don't even know how much the internet is used by old people now and it's general base information about Clinton that she is a dumbass.
If not, at least let me think that up until the moment she gets elected so I can pretend it never happened.
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