Record-High 50% of Americans Favor Legalizing Marijuana Use - Polidicks

[QUOTE=teslacoil;32842166]I don't know[/QUOTE] Thanks, you are now useless to the discussion.

[QUOTE=AK'z;32842174]Thanks, you are now useless to the discussion.[/QUOTE] Its ironic because you don't know anything about cannabis or its effects.

[QUOTE=teslacoil;32842184]Its ironic because you don't know anything about cannabis.[/QUOTE] Why are you putting forward arguements when you yourself have no idea on the topic of psychedelia? You relate what I'm saying to Woodstock, which is a generic answer people use to relate the word "PSYCHEDELIC" to anything.

[QUOTE=AK'z;32842174]Thanks, you are now useless to the discussion.[/QUOTE] [I]I'f I'm not right, then they're wrong :downs:[/I] Goddamn you're denser than Osmium. And to top it off you're speaking nonsense. :20bux: on you're not sober at all.

[QUOTE=Van-man;32842197][I]I'f I'm not right, then they're wrong :downs:[/I] Goddamn you're denser than Osmium. And to top it off you're speaking nonsense. :20bux: on you're not sober at all.[/QUOTE] I'm not arguing that I'm right, I'm just trying to get his take on what the experience from weed is. Since he can't put a word on it, then he's useless.

[QUOTE=AK'z;32842195]Why are you putting forward arguements when you yourself have no idea on the topic of psychedelia? You relate what I'm saying to Woodstock, which is a generic answer people use to relate the word "PSYCHEDELIC" to anything.[/QUOTE] PSYCHADELIA has nothing to do with this topic.

[QUOTE=AK'z;32842204]I'm not arguing that I'm right, I'm just trying to get his take on what the experience from weed is. Since he can't put a word on it, then he's useless.[/QUOTE] You don't even know the experience first-hand, how can you even argue anything at all?

[QUOTE=AK'z;32841852]Depends what you're drinking. Not many people are dumb enough to try Absinthe.[/QUOTE] What? Alcohol can be dangerous in large consumption no matter what you are drinking. Liver failure, drunk driving and god dam having to get your stomach pumped if you drink to much tequila. Your trying to make out that alcohol is the lesser of two evils, yet alcohol has killed 23,199 more people than cannabis users (Which is 0) as there is absolutely no link towards cannabis causing physical ailment, and is only known to bring about physiological problems if you have them in the first place. My friend would like to smoke weed but knows better as he is confirmed to have mild psychosis, if you know you have something wrong with you or your family has a problem then you shouldn't smoke full stop, you shouldn't drink for that matter either. I'm not siding up with weed and saying alcohol is bad, I drink, I smoke, everything is fine within moderation. May I smoke abit more than other people? Mabey, but it has yet to effect my work ethic and I still give a shit about life, and no, it hasn't turned me into a schizo either. If you count smoking weed for recreational purpouses drug abuse, then why don't you call drinking drug abuse too, or mabey going out and having a coffee and a cigarette after lunch could be considered too.

[QUOTE=AK'z;32842133]Anyone can have a psych experience with marajuana, therefore no.[/QUOTE] what do you define as "psychedelic experience" i don't consider a craving for doritos and a need to watch ATHF a "psychedlic experience" to have what most consider a "psychedelic experience" you'd have to smoke an absurd amount of cannabis to even get close to having an experience. it's simply not realistic to say that you can have what most consider to be a "psychedelic experience" [editline]18th October 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=AK'z;32842159]What would you call it then? LSD and Marajuana are in the same league whether you might think it or not.[/QUOTE] are you kidding me. have you ever even tried either of them? pretty sure you don't hallucinate when you smoke cannabis. this is like saying an airsoft gun and a nuclear warhead are the same thing. they're much, much different.

[QUOTE=Javascript;32842224]you'd have to smoke an absurd amount of cannabis to even get close to having an experience. it's simply not realistic to say that you can have what most consider to be a "psychedelic experience"[/QUOTE] Out of body experiences with music. That's why I named Dark Side of the Moon because it's fairly simple to know where it's coming from. You can all complain about me being pretentious but if you don't want to know where I'm coming from, then don't read it. I may not have had an experience with chemicals, but I know a lot of people that have. The words they have to say about it, relate to the experiences that I have had with music. teslacoil doesn't have to reply to this.

[QUOTE=AK'z;32842195]Why are you putting forward arguements when you yourself have no idea on the topic of psychedelia? You relate what I'm saying to Woodstock, which is a generic answer people use to relate the word "PSYCHEDELIC" to anything.[/QUOTE] You are like a color-blind man trying to tell me what color is.

I personally stay away from drugs, but if people wanna do that stuff in a manner where it's not hurting anyone, why should I give a fuck?

[QUOTE=Javascript;32842224] are you kidding me. have you ever even tried either of them? pretty sure you don't hallucinate when you smoke cannabis. this is like saying an airsoft gun and a nuclear warhead are the same thing. they're much, much different.[/QUOTE] There's more to it than hallucinations. It's what you feel inside that matters.

[QUOTE=AK'z;32842204]I'm not arguing that I'm right, I'm just trying to get his take on what the experience from weed is. Since he can't put a word on it, then he's useless.[/QUOTE] If something you[B] HAVE [/B]to try yourself to understand. Jeez.

[QUOTE=AK'z;32842288]There's more to it than hallucinations. It's what you feel inside that matters.[/QUOTE] What you "feel inside" is part of the hallucination.

[QUOTE=teslacoil;32842300]What you "feel inside" is part of the hallucination.[/QUOTE] There must be some sort of thrill to it than just things around you changing.

[QUOTE=AK'z;32842322]There must be some sort of thrill to it than just things around you changing.[/QUOTE] Depending on the substance, it probably is your mind redefining the world around you. Removing your preconceptions (cough)

[QUOTE=AK'z;32842322]There must be some sort of thrill to it than just things around you changing.[/QUOTE] Again, you have to try it to fully understand it.

[QUOTE=AK'z;32842258]Out of body experiences with music. That's why I named Dark Side of the Moon because it's fairly simple to know where it's coming from. You can all complain about me being pretentious but if you don't want to know where I'm coming from, then don't read it. I may not have had an experience with chemicals, but I know a lot of people that have. The words they have to say about it, relate to the experiences that I have had with music. teslacoil doesn't have to reply to this.[/QUOTE] Ak's, I would like to put forward an example using three substances you have mentioned, LSD and Cannabis which you have pretty much said are the same and alcohol. If you get a bunch of people drunk as fuck you will most likely see people throwing up, being loud and causing a god dam nuisanse, you get a bunch of people tripped out on acid and if you were not tripping yourself you would probably see a bunch of people staring at what seems to be a blank space in the room enjoying themselfs and or freaking out depending on the trip, having almost no sense of reality. You get a bunch of people stoned and all you get is a bunch of hungry guys wanting to head off to the nearest macdonalds, where on the way a conversation might ensue as to how they make the pickles rippled. Is weed really on the same level as acid? And really, is alcohol any better? You have no experience bar you listening to a pink floyd album. Listening to music, as mind altering as it could be, is absolutely nothing what so ever like smoking weed or doing any substance.

[QUOTE=teslacoil;32842332]Depending on the substance, it probably is your mind redefining the world around you. Removing your preconceptions (cough)[/QUOTE] Well I did mention out of body experiences before.

[QUOTE=AK'z;32842343]Well I did mention out of body experiences before.[/QUOTE] I didn't say anything about OOB experiences.

[QUOTE=zin908;32842339]Ak's, I would like to put forward an example using three substances you have mentioned, LSD and Cannabis which you have pretty much said are the same and alcohol. If you get a bunch of people drunk as fuck you will most likely see people throwing up, being loud and causing a god dam nuisanse, you get a bunch of people tripped out on acid and if you were not tripping yourself you would probably see a bunch of people staring at what seems to be a blank space in the room enjoying themselfs and or freaking out depending on the trip, having almost no sense of reality. You get a bunch of people stoned and all you get is a bunch of hungry guys wanting to head off to the nearest macdonalds, where on the way a conversation might ensue as to how they make the pickles rippled. Is weed really on the same level as acid? And really, is alcohol any better? You have no experience bar you listening to a pink floyd album and talking to people who are frankly fucking idiots if they say they have out of body experiences from smoking weed or what have you.[/QUOTE] The thing is, I'm not talking about what the general public do when they take in substances. Taking acid doesn't mean what they feel is "blanking out". Taking weed doesn't mean what they feel is "craving for burger", because I have a craving for a burger right now and am not stoned. It does depend on the type of person, because some people want to take weed just to chill out with friends, while others what to have complete peace within themselves.

[QUOTE=AK'z;32842380]The thing is, I'm not talking about what the general public do when they take in substances. Taking acid doesn't mean what they feel is "blanking out". Taking weed doesn't mean what they feel is "craving for burger", because I have a craving for a burger right now and am not stoned. It does depend on the type of person, because some people want to take weed just to chill out with friends, while others what to have complete peace within themselves.[/QUOTE] You missed the point entirely, I was mearly using the quest for food as a dam example to point out smoking weed is not comparable with LSD like you did earlier on in the thread. I was also trying to point out that in the event of mass consumption of alcohol, LSD and Weed. Weed is definatelly the more relaxed and the people are more aware of the reality around them. If I had a choice to talk to someone who was drunk and who was blazed, I would definatelly be able to have a intellectual conversation with the guy who is stoned unless he is one of those idiots who smokes to be cool and over acts just for attention.

[QUOTE=zin908;32842433]You missed the point entirely, I was mearly using the quest for food as a dam example to point out smoking weed is not comparable with LSD like you did earlier on in the thread. I was also trying to point out that in the event of mass consumption of alcohol, LSD and Weed. Weed is definatelly the more relaxed and the people are more aware of the reality around them. If I had a choice to talk to someone who was drunk and who was blazed, I would definatelly be able to have a intellectual conversation with the guy who is stoned unless he is one of those idiots who smokes to be cool and over acts just for attention.[/QUOTE] True, LSD is the far end of the spectrum in terms of these experiences. There could be a way of gaining a similar experience if you smoked enough of it.

[QUOTE=AK'z;32842455]True, LSD is the far end of the spectrum in terms of these experiences. [b]There could be a way of gaining a similar experience [highlight]if you smoked enough of it.[/highlight][/b][/QUOTE] Oh my fucking god. Are you serious?

[QUOTE=AK'z;32842455]True, LSD is the far end of the spectrum in terms of these experiences. There could be a way of gaining a similar experience if you smoked enough of it.[/QUOTE] right, even if this was true, have fun smoking enough weed to produce effects similar to LSD

[QUOTE=teslacoil;32842475]Oh my fucking god. Are you serious?[/QUOTE] I was talking about weed here.

[QUOTE=Van-man;32842060]Routined alcoholics often lose the vomit reflex. Besides kidney and liver failure galore.[/QUOTE] My Dad was an alcoholic and he drunk so much that he basically ruined his stomach lining, and he really had to quit drinking for a while because he was in threat of his stomach rupturing basically.

[QUOTE=AK'z;32842455]True, LSD is the far end of the spectrum in terms of these experiences. There could be a way of gaining a similar experience if you smoked enough of it.[/QUOTE] No there couldn't. Even when smoking mass quantities, the difference in the actual effect depends on what you are smoking. You get sativas, indicas and hybrids of the two, each of these having many sub types that have very subtle difference. Back in my earlier days of smoking, and I am pretty sure other smokers on facepunch have done the same, where my friends and I stoned copious amounts on a friday night, and we would never get to the point you described. Even if you tried to smoke abnormal amounts for a single person, pushing yourself to smoke more even if you don't want any, you will more likely pass out than get anywhere near a similar experience to LSD, the only substances that have similar effects to LSD are shrooms, LSA and DMT, which can be argued that they are also completely different to LSD.

Addictive personality == getting addicted to substances easily