'Trolled to death' - calls for David Cameron to ban ask.fm as another teenager kills herself
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[I]Verbal abuse is non-existent as you can just choose to purchase earplugs. Poof, problem gone. It's easy people! I've never been bullied myself but I imagine I am correct.[/I]
Not saying I think suicide is a reasonal response to being trolled, but claiming that e-bullying is a non-issue is retarded.
The problem isn't the internet, or trolls.
Being human requires you to build some level of self image.
Society suppresses anything negative or harmful to a self image in favor of things that appear 'happy' and 'good' (regardless of how superficial these may be).
Hence the idea of self-confidence and self-esteem exist.
People say good things, your idea of your self gets stronger and you get an 'ego boost'.
But just because people are saying nice things, it doesn't mean that bad things don't exist. They're just not being said.
Ask.fm comes along, and suddenly you're giving people free reign to say what they actually want to say instead of what they're told they're allowed to say.
And what they actually want to say is horrible, and people get upset over it.
I see a lot of hateful comments on the site, but the thing is, you can block people from posting, and you can even chose whether or not to post their question to the public.
[QUOTE=Drury;41734536]A person who is capable of commiting suicide because of the internet should not be on the internet in the first place.
In a way it's like toddlers and power sockets, really. Her parents should have seen that coming.[/QUOTE]
A person who is capable of committing suicide because people harass them in public should not be out in public in the first place?
You see how bullshit this statement is? People shouldn't be attacked anyway, people shouldn't be told to go die, they shouldn't be told to go kill themselves. There is no excuse for it.
well ask.fm is a pretty horrible website as people can be anonymous and write whatever idiotic crap they want but you cant blame a website or its users for a person not knowing the proper means to deal with "cyberbullying"
I really don't understand how people can take e-bullying so personally. they're anonymous users that you'll never ever have to encounter outside of your computer. I think it's ridiculous for anyone to take their own life for something as meaningless as some trolling from an online jerk.
Though, this is sad because it's a tragic loss of a person; I just can't bring myself to blame the website for it. If someone is harassing you then simply block them or remove yourself from the situation entirely.
[QUOTE=kwk;41734425]This argument is so extremely flawed, why is it even included in the OP?[/QUOTE]
I don't understand how it's not. The internet is place where we have the luxury of easily being able to ignore people, whether it be by using an ignore function, not reading what they have to say, or by just not partaking in that particular community. You can even go as far as to turn off your computer if it's that big an issue for you.
[QUOTE=Kefirman;41734323]What is wrong with that Facebook comment? I mean, its rude, but straight to the point. Its not like you can't function without social media.[/QUOTE]
See, I used to have this opinion. But the problem is that you really kinda can't without being unreasonable. By all standards most people in the west havea social media account and it's a big part of their social experience- it's the norm, and honestly you're asking them to withdraw from society, because that's what it is at this point. It's not just random people most of the time that are abusing people, it's people they know, in a social setting, where other people they know will see and interact with it. This isn't simply isolated to a social network, it's an actual social thing, it's a societal thing for the individuals. When someone is being abusive over the internet towards someone and it's someone in their social group or brought to the attention of that social group, you can't just turn off the computer and be done with it, because the person doesn't exist in the computer. Most of the time, when it's teenagers like this, it's someone who knows them or knows of them in real life. Social media is so integrated into society and especially with people in this age group.
But now, there's a greater problem. The is straight up victim blaming. "They could have turned off the computer" is blaming the person being abused for not taking action to ignore the abuse. By all means what you're saying is that "it's fine for someone to hurl abuse at someone, to urge someone to harm themselves or socially tarnish someone for kicks and giggles" because "if they don't like it they can just turn the other cheek". Applied to real life, if someone was being socially and verbally abused in their social group or in front of their social group, do you expect them to just turn their back? "Well, they can just ignore that someone is belittling them and their existence. They killed themselves, but it's their responsibility to ignore it."
Instead of deriding the people who are doing the abusing, why are we doing the completely nonconstructive thing of saying "the best way to deal with someone destroying your social reputation and trying to inflict emotional or social harm on you is to ignore it and let them do it."
Maybe it's not a big deal to FPers because we are notoriously unsocial introverts who don't have the same sorts of social relationships or social norms, but to most people their social life and its intertwined online counterpart is the most important thing in their life, or at the very least it's always prevalent.
[QUOTE=darkrei9n;41734757]A person who is capable of committing suicide because people harass them in public should not be out in public in the first place?
You see how bullshit this statement is? People shouldn't be attacked anyway, people shouldn't be told to go die, they shouldn't be told to go kill themselves. There is no excuse for it.[/QUOTE]
You are not right. The world isn't a shiny happy cotton candyland. If you raise your child in a way that makes it feel like it is, it is your fault when it kills itself when it comes in contact with the harsh reality of outside world, nobody else's. This is an extreme case in particular - cyber bullying isn't nearly as bad as many different sorts of bullying. I'm not saying it's not bad, but would you rather get called ugly and stupid on the internet or take a punch to the face?
[QUOTE=Drury;41734851]You are not right. The world isn't a shiny happy cotton candyland. If you raise your child in a way that makes it feel like it is, it is your fault when it kills itself when it comes in contact with the harsh reality of outside world, nobody else's. This is an extreme case in particular - cyber bullying isn't nearly as bad as many different sorts of bullying. I'm not saying it's not bad, but would you rather get called ugly and stupid on the internet or take a punch to the face?[/QUOTE]
Bullshit. The worst fucking part of bullying isn't getting the shit beaten out of you. The worst part of it is people reducing you to subhuman trash. To be constantly told you are shit and no matter what you do you can't do anything about it try and run away.
[QUOTE=darkrei9n;41734913]Bullshit. The worst fucking part of bullying isn't getting the shit beaten out of you. The worst part of it is people reducing you to subhuman trash. To be constantly told you are shit and no matter what you do you can't do anything about it try and run away.[/QUOTE]
I've learned to shield myself from those people in real life, back when I was a kid. That other kid hasn't. THAT is the problem. Not the internet. It would happen one day, sooner or later. It wouldn't even have to be the internet. If you're not immune to people trying to take you down, they will take you down very easily.
The next time somebody rates me "dumb," that is [I]it![/I]
Tyler, the Creator's views on this issue are a little blunt, but I can agree with it.
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[QUOTE=Drury;41735115]I've learned to shield myself from those people in real life, back when I was a kid. That other kid hasn't. THAT is the problem. Not the internet. It would happen one day, sooner or later. It wouldn't even have to be the internet. If you're not immune to people trying to take you down, they will take you down very easily.[/QUOTE]
These fucking people shouldn't be doing it in the first place. Why should people who are not harming anyone have to change rather than the people who are causing harm? They fucking shouldn't! They're not the ones doing something wrong.
Why would you ever sign up for ask.fm, whats the point of it?
[editline]6th August 2013[/editline]
(Not that it should be shut down, mind you)
[QUOTE=Big Dumb American;41735202]The next time somebody rates me "dumb," that is [I]it![/I][/QUOTE]
Um, mods? Somebody want to do something about these d*mn bullies?
[QUOTE=barttool;41734648]I was kind of confused on what kind of harassing could you possibly find in last.fm...
[I]"nice my chemical romance faggot, kill urself plen"[/I][/QUOTE]
it wasn't last.fm, it was ask.fm, a[sp]shit[/sp]site where you can ask questions anonimously.
[editline]6th August 2013[/editline]
To add to the conversation, you have to be a really emotionally weak person to react like this. I have been bullied myself when I was a little shit, in the traditional meaning of the term- a guy twice my age & size used to beat me up for amusement. That's when you can't do much, big fish eats small fish yadda yadda yadda. but damn, from behind a keyboard you can defend yourself in a miriad of ways, like block the person, or come up with a witty comeback and then put the hatemail and reply up to shame them?
[QUOTE=Big Dumb American;41735383]Um, mods? Somebody want to do something about these d*mn bullies?[/QUOTE]
Kill yourslef
[QUOTE=Big Dumb American;41735383]Um, mods? Somebody want to do something about these d*mn bullies?[/QUOTE]
give me your lunch money nerd
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How hard is it?
[QUOTE=Drury;41734536]A person who is capable of commiting suicide because of the internet should not be on the internet in the first place.
In a way it's like toddlers and power sockets, really. Her parents should have seen that coming.[/QUOTE]
I agree, the problem surely lies in not catching this shit at the first stage, if someone is capable of taking their own life then MAYBE someone in the world would be able to tell? And if more people had the balls to address mental illness when they noticed it rather than brushing it off until that person was dead we could stop shit like this?
[editline]6th August 2013[/editline]
[QUOTE=AJisAwesome15;41735271]
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What a perfect cunt.
In my opinion, the big difference between (anonymous) cyber-bullying and bullying in real life is that you have the power to just ignore the cyber-bullying.
In real-life, if you are bullied in school for example, you can't exactly just "not go to school" as a measure of dealing with the bullying. If there is a student (or more than one even) in your classes that constantly torments you, the most you can do is tell the teacher and have them forcibly intervene. But the teachers aren't everywhere, and then the harassing students can simply find you outside the classroom (at lunch, before school, after school, other classes) and harass you there. You can't really get away from it.
On the Internet, though, assuming that the abusers are anonymous (as in, not bullies in real-life also bullying you on the Internet), then you have direct control. "Not go to the website" is an entirely viable option. Making a new account is an equally valid option. Many sites have an "ignore / block user" control that is also an option.
The major difference to me is that in cyber-bully, you have the ultimate control; in real-life bullying, the bully has the ultimate control.
I personally think drawing parallelisms between them is extremely dangerous, and needs to be done with caution. While the principles are the same (they're both bullying), they are fundamentally different in nature, because of where the control lies. To beat a trope to death, it's like comparing apples and oranges: yeah, they're both fruits, but beyond that they are entirely different.
All in my own opinion, of course.
[QUOTE=Mr cake fingers;41735811]
[editline]6th August 2013[/editline]
What a perfect cunt.[/QUOTE]
Tylers m.o. is to get kicks out of making people angry.
Like you.
gj
[QUOTE=Gmod4ever;41735872]In my opinion, the big difference between (anonymous) cyber-bullying and bullying in real life is that you have the power to just ignore the cyber-bullying.
In real-life, if you are bullied in school for example, you can't exactly just "not go to school" as a measure of dealing with the bullying. If there is a student (or more than one even) in your classes that constantly torments you, the most you can do is tell the teacher and have them forcibly intervene. But the teachers aren't everywhere, and then the harassing students can simply find you outside the classroom (at lunch, before school, after school, other classes) and harass you there. You can't really get away from it.
On the Internet, though, assuming that the abusers are anonymous (as in, not bullies in real-life also bullying you on the Internet), then you have direct control. "Not go to the website" is an entirely viable option. Making a new account is an equally valid option. Many sites have an "ignore / block user" control that is also an option.
The major difference to me is that in cyber-bully, you have the ultimate control; in real-life bullying, the bully has the ultimate control.
I personally think drawing parallels between them is extremely dangerous, and needs to be done with caution. While the principles are the same (they're both bullying), they are fundamentally different in nature, because of where the control lies. To beat a trope to death, it's like comparing apples and oranges: yeah, they're both fruits, but beyond that they are entirely different.
All in my own opinion, of course.[/QUOTE]
One of the things I found in my life is that quite a lot of the time if you just actually kind of look them up and down (irl obviously) and just kind of do your best to face them head on (weather that be fighting them or doing like you say and go to an authority) they back down SO quickly its unreal, suddenly this person you were so afraid of is just like 'nothing'. But Yeh its that level of control that can be the problem and offten people either not to savvy with pc stuff or just in general people who maybe have a much lower tolerance to threats start to draw direct comparisons, a lot of the time thinking there as fucked in this situation as they might be if they actually HAD to face their bully the next day. One of the worst things about it is the techno phobia it breeds in other generations as well as the victims, because honestly if your put in a situation these days where you suddenly dont want to use a computer you might see your future dwindling rapidly.
[editline]6th August 2013[/editline]
[QUOTE=EnlightenDead;41735955]Tylers m.o. is to get kicks out of making people angry.
Like you.
gj[/QUOTE]
Then I fell for it :P
[QUOTE='[Seed Eater];41734832']
Maybe it's not a big deal to FPers because we are notoriously unsocial introverts who don't have the same sorts of social relationships or social norms[/QUOTE]
ummmm lol
Tragic, but the internet isn't to blame, it is its users.
To be fair, ask.fm has shit reporting which should be fixed, but this is ridiculous anyway.
I don't understand why people put themselves out there if their so insecure
[QUOTE=More Ragtime;41736102]I don't understand why people put themselves out there if their so insecure[/QUOTE]
They do it for one thing: attention.
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