'Trolled to death' - calls for David Cameron to ban ask.fm as another teenager kills herself - Polidicks

[QUOTE=Ganerumo;41740949]Which is why people should be concerned about 4chan tracking down people and finding out their address, because that's actually starting to be an issue. Just saying meanie things over the internet without even remotely knowing the person or living anywhere near them isn't really much of a concern.[/QUOTE] yeah. 4chan level "bullying" is bad but ask.fm "lol kill urself" isn't worth looking at

I never understood how people can care this much about what other people think of them. I, personally, just dont give 2 shits about what other people think of me and keep doing what I'm doing. Its not that hard to do imo.

Someone on the phone told me to kill myself. Ban phones. Or just cut out the middleman, lets ban talking.

[QUOTE=Tobylol;41734711][I]Verbal abuse is non-existent as you can just choose to purchase earplugs. Poof, problem gone. It's easy people! I've never been bullied myself but I imagine I am correct.[/I] Not saying I think suicide is a reasonal response to being trolled, but claiming that e-bullying is a non-issue is retarded.[/QUOTE] Verbal abuse has a deeper interpersonal context than ask.fm trolling, so it is completely different

I never really know how to feel in this situation. I think victim blaming is absolutely disgusting and an actual human being died here. But on the other hand, things like this [i]are[/i] so easily avoidable, especially when you can easily simply log-out of the site, stop using it entirely or just switch off your PC. I'm also certain the site probably has some countermeasures like Tumblr does to disable anonymous questions. I always suspect there's more to these types of stories than what's reported or realized, say the person may be suffering from depression but never spoke about it, or something along those lines.

For a second I thought James Cameron had offed himself after negative facebook comments

tbh we really must hear our own advise and ignore shit newsites.

If I get one more dumb rating on Facepunch I'm committing suicide you guys ar-are B-b-b-b-Bullies!

[QUOTE=Tobylol;41734711][I]Verbal abuse is non-existent as you can just choose to purchase earplugs. Poof, problem gone. It's easy people! I've never been bullied myself but I imagine I am correct.[/I] Not saying I think suicide is a reasonal response to being trolled, but claiming that e-bullying is a non-issue is retarded.[/QUOTE] Nice strawman argument. Being bullied in person is entirely different and much harder to avoid than any abuse you'll receive online.

[QUOTE=RobbL;41738292]it was probably people who knew her and were insulting her personally guys[/QUOTE] If that's the case, then the Internet really played little part in her death. It isn't as if people bullying her [I]over the Internet[/I] is what motivated her suicide.

It was just on Sky news that her sister is now receiving the same abuse. [url]http://news.sky.com/story/1125450/hannah-smith-sister-targeted-by-trolls[/url] Has it not occurred to them to just shut the account?

So much wasted poon. [highlight](User was banned for this post ("Dumb/Insensitive" - Craptasket))[/highlight]

[QUOTE=theVendetta;41743192]So much wasted poon.[/QUOTE] That was an incredibly necessary comment to post.

Real death, especially one of an innocent citizen, especially one that's so young is...pretty terrible. I'd like to not to be that guy, but so far most of the posts in this thread have been oversimplifying the issue and blaming the victim. I highly doubt that whether or not you would commit suicide, just take a brisk walk outside, or whatever, is really relevant while simultaneously overjudging a young girl who's already dead. For all of the good amount of genius people in this thread that know how to handle every aspect of their internet usage: it seems a lot of shit is being overlooked. This isn't like a 30 year old mentally developed woman killing herself because someone said mean things a few times. This was a hormonal 14 year old girl who was mentally compromised enough to hang herself after some pricks (probably around the same age) decided it'd be a fun adventure to throw insanely revolting words towards her directly, and constantly. "I hope you get cancer," "I hope you drink bleach," shit like this isn't anywhere close to the same as a random "lol u ugly," especially if you're a young teen who would believe it. Hell, I'm sure that there was even worse being said especially if some of the anon hate was from people who knew her. But seriously, you're telling me that every single one of you at the age of 13-14 wouldn't take any kind of hate personally? You're telling me that when you've gotten to the point of extreme depression where you're convincing yourself that you don't deserve to live...that you would be logically sound about a seemingly large amount of directed hate? That the people who said those terrible words are more in the right than the girl who doesn't have the incredible hindsight that you do since she's already dead? Personally, I think that's an insanely stupid mind set. No one should have to leave a site they obviously like spending time on normally, or hell, the entire internet, just because some people are psychotic and wish harm on anyone just for laughs. With all of that said, yeah, a lot of things could've been done to help out the girl, like her mother blocking the website or deleting the account. I'm sure if the mother didn't have a dead daughter, she'd love to take more extreme measures than hoping that people on the internet wouldn't be insufferably insane. For now, at least most of us can take comfort knowing that we're all not suicidal teens with expert knowledge of how people on the internet can be dicks but its totes okay because that's just how it always is.

Ugh. It's started. [url]https://www.facebook.com/AskFmShouldBeDeleted[/url]

I hate all these bullying talks. All arguments usually fail for me when they compare the internet to real life. If somebody is getting bullied on the internet, by people they know or are in their social setting, that is of course a serious problem, and it should be taken care of, because the problem doesn't exist exclusively on the internet. It's a real life problem. If somebody is bullying you and they know you in real life, you can't just turn off your computer and be done with it. With some problems though, like some asshole stranger caps lock yelling at you, it's a waste of energy to do anything but ignore it.

Let's just blame the internet for everything.

I will never understand suicides as a result of CYBER bullying. Regular bullying, sure, it's near impossible to get rid of that shit. But cyberbullying is gone by the click of a button. Sure if it upsets you, but to the point of suicide? I don't get it.

I wouldn't say ban it, but raise awareness to parents about the online world and its effects on young people.

[QUOTE=Derp Y. Mail;41744912]I will never understand suicides as a result of CYBER bullying. Regular bullying, sure, it's near impossible to get rid of that shit. But cyberbullying is gone by the click of a button. Sure if it upsets you, but to the point of suicide? I don't get it.[/QUOTE] Most of the time, suicide is never done because of a sound, logical reason. As such, approaching it with the logic of someone who isn't suicidal is illogical. If you've mentally never gotten so low to the point of considering offing yourself, you can't possibly imagine what its like and so you just end up pointlessly judging the victim...even though that's exactly what led to them killing themselves anyways. Not everyone can be the thick skinned veteran internet bad asses like you, and every person handles life differently from the next. Sure, she could leave the site or go outside..but you know who has more control than her on the shit being flung her way? The people who were responsible for it anyways. There's no barrier that suddenly makes it okay to say large amounts of harsh death wishes to someone, especially anonymously. There was absolutely no points where this shit was acceptable. Maybe these people didn't realize how far they were pushing her when they were telling her to kill herself CONSTANTLY and she actually did, but I can assume that good chunk of them will have the same terrible attitude of "She could've just turned off her computer!" "She could just block them!" "She doesn't have to use the website!" "Oh ask.fm is terrible anyways." Yeah, or the asshats who found it funny to bully a 14 year old girl even after she bothered getting her mother involved could just never have said a damn thing.

ask.fm is pointless seriously, abuse everywhere though that doesn't mean it should be banned just because someone was bullied to death on it

[QUOTE=GaLm;41745145]Most of the time, suicide is never done because of a sound, logical reason. As such, approaching it with the logic of someone who isn't suicidal is illogical. If you've mentally never gotten so low to the point of considering offing yourself, you can't possibly imagine what its like and so you just end up pointlessly judging the victim...even though that's exactly what led to them killing themselves anyways. Not everyone can be the thick skinned veteran internet bad asses like you, and every person handles life differently from the next. Sure, she could leave the site or go outside..but you know who has more control than her on the shit being flung her way? The people who were responsible for it anyways. There's no barrier that suddenly makes it okay to say large amounts of harsh death wishes to someone, especially anonymously. There was absolutely no points where this shit was acceptable. Maybe these people didn't realize how far they were pushing her when they were telling her to kill herself CONSTANTLY and she actually did, but I can assume that good chunk of them will have the same terrible attitude of "She could've just turned off her computer!" "She could just block them!" "She doesn't have to use the website!" "Oh ask.fm is terrible anyways." Yeah, or the asshats who found it funny to bully a 14 year old girl even after she bothered getting her mother involved could just never have said a damn thing.[/QUOTE] I've been suicidal at the same time I was being bullied and harassed on both social platforms and in real life - a process that was ongoing ever since I was about 11 and only stopped about 2 years ago. I'm still depressed, I suffer from insanely low self-esteem; but I'm dealing with it. So I'm saying this as someone who has been in the situation and still doesn't get it.

[QUOTE=Derp Y. Mail;41745180]I've been suicidal at the same time I was being bullied and harassed on both social platforms and in real life - a process that was ongoing ever since I was about 11 and only stopped about 2 years ago. I'm still depressed, I suffer from insanely low self-esteem; but I'm dealing with it. So I'm saying this as someone who has been in the situation and still doesn't get it.[/QUOTE] If you were in the same situation, you'd have to be highly amnesiac to not understand it. I was suicidal before, I understand just fine. [img] http://gyazo.com/73ab5fc1c3b75eb1d6c35cba97659eac.png[/img] We can do this all day.

might as well ban everything because everything has caused death to someone at some point

[QUOTE=GaLm;41745197]If you were in the same situation, you'd have to be highly amnesiac to not understand it. I was suicidal before, I understand just fine.[/QUOTE] No, I remember it perfectly fine; locking myself in because I didn't want anything to do with the shit I was getting, going into classes and hearing nothing but the echoing of the people taunting me, intentionally arriving late so I wouldn't have to walk past people in the corridors - and that's just the beginning of the effects, not even starting on the causes. It's not something I'm very comfortable with remembering either. Maybe I'm just thick.

[QUOTE=Derp Y. Mail;41745239]No, I remember it perfectly fine; locking myself in because I didn't want anything to do with the shit I was getting, going into classes and hearing nothing but the echoing of the people taunting me, intentionally arriving late so I wouldn't have to walk past people in the corridors - and that's just the beginning of the effects, not even starting on the causes. It's not something I'm very comfortable with remembering either. Maybe I'm just thick.[/QUOTE] You don't remember being suicidal, you remember that you were once suicidal. You remember self esteem drops, you remember the depression, etc etc...but your problem in understanding is that you're alive and not thinking about this topic in the same mind set as the younger you that didn't want to live. You're thinking about how you would perceive it as a nearly adult guy who's been around the internet for a few years...rather than a (hopefully) naive and depressed 14 year old girl. Don't get me wrong, I think its really dumb when people commit suicide...but I think its even more dumb to judge them harsher than you judge the people that pushed them to it. Someone is dead due to people being assholes, it being centralized on the internet just means that it was most likely worse than what we've seen.

My heart goes out to the daughter's family.

[QUOTE=GaLm;41745378]You don't remember being suicidal, you remember that you were once suicidal. You remember self esteem drops, you remember the depression, etc etc...but your problem in understanding is that you're alive and not thinking about this topic in the same mind set as the younger you that didn't want to live. You're thinking about how you would perceive it as a nearly adult guy who's been around the internet for a few years...rather than a (hopefully) naive and depressed 14 year old girl. Don't get me wrong, I think its really dumb when people commit suicide...but I think its even more dumb to judge them harsher than you judge the people that pushed them to it. Someone is dead due to people being assholes, it being centralized on the internet just means that it was most likely worse than what we've seen.[/QUOTE] Well it wasn't as much internet back then as it was a good ol' Sony Ericsson cellphone but as far as I'm concerned the same principle applied. Where I'd get texts telling me I was a disgusting, unwanted little shit and I should kill myself on a daily basis I'd turn off the phone. I always was a bit precocious though, so I dunno if that's got something to do with it. And obviously there was more to it, I as well doubt internet bullying was the leading cause of depression, but rather a "straw that broke the camels back"-thing.

[QUOTE=Derp Y. Mail;41745473]Well it wasn't as much internet back then as it was a good ol' Sony Ericsson cellphone but as far as I'm concerned the same principle applied. Where I'd get texts telling me I was a disgusting, unwanted little shit and I should kill myself on a daily basis I'd turn off the phone. I always was a bit precocious though, so I dunno if that's got something to do with it. And obviously there was more to it, I as well doubt internet bullying was the leading cause of depression, but rather a "straw that broke the camels back"-thing.[/QUOTE] It all comes back down to different people of different ages perceive things differently. When I was 12-14 I was vastly more naive than I am now (7 years can do a lot to change perceptions of everything). I never used anything like ask.fm back then but even when I'd be chilling out randomly online harsh words could hit hard. Even someone just calling me a stupid squeaker on XBL could set me off emotion wise. You can't turn off emotions, you can't expect exactly what will set you off. If I were to come home one bad day during that age, go to one of my favorite sites to chill out and feel better on...then a bunch of people went out of their ways to wish various forms of death on me? I honestly can't be like all of the people in this thread and say I would completely be logical about it (at least at that young of an age). If I thought I didn't deserve to live and other people online who didn't even know me personally (or hell, if they did know me personally) wished me to die...why not? Of course, fuck that noise, I like being alive. Its safe to say that all of us are at least sound enough in the mind to not be hanging ourselves due to harsh words. The idea that I'm trying to push is that we should be more spiteful and judgmental of the people saying the harsh words, not the victim that received them.

[QUOTE=Fatfatfatty;41736156]The only kind of cyber bullying that exists is when it's real life bullying extending onto the internet. But if it's just some dude on the other side of the planet saying you are ugly, it's not much to worry about.[/QUOTE] I don't think you can say much about cyber bullying/real life bullying at all, you got permad for trying to ruin someones life for being transgender, you purposely went to some girl's Facebook and started showing photos of her in a dress to all her real life friends. And she's an American, while you live in Sweden. You went out of your way just to ruin some girl's life on the other side of the world. That's some pretty obsessive bullying if you ask me.