101 Mc Donalds burger flipper arrested on unauthorized protest to raise minimal wage to $15/h - Polidicks

$15 an hour to flip burgers.....lol I hate people like that.

[QUOTE=davethestoner;44872514]In my opinion the minimum wage shouldn't ever go over $10/hr, I think it should be just enough for you to get by. If its high enough where you're able to live comfortable off it where the motivation to get a better job come from?[/QUOTE] What if 'just enough for you to get by' is over $10? All that people ask for with the minimum wage is a socially acceptable standard of living, which is why a minimum wage system exists in the first place. Incentives for getting better jobs still exist: better pay, better working conditions, shorter journey to work, greater opportunities for promotion within the firm. Some or all.

[QUOTE=JohnFisher89;44872239]No, they are to raise awareness in a positive and opportune manner. Using someone's private property as a stomping ground is not how you go about it, I don't care who you are. Again minimum wage boosting to 15+ dollars overnight is going to do very bad things to the economy of the US, not so much the Cities and large Suburbs that support cities, but the small, gas station, POP of 1k towns, which are abundant in the US. Small businesses would not be able to compete.[/QUOTE] I've heard from a lot of people that raising minimum wage wouldn't affect the economy that much. And the goal isn't to get 15+, it's to start at 15 and go down until you get a slight raise.

[QUOTE=mark6789;44872602]$15 an hour to flip burgers.....lol I hate people like that.[/QUOTE] Burger flippers here easily get $16 per hour haha.

[QUOTE=mark6789;44872602]$15 an hour to flip burgers.....lol I hate people like that.[/QUOTE] It's not as easy as it sounds honestly. It's a shitty job. See I think the reason why this is such a problem is that almost [B]everyone[/B] who is employed is being underpaid. $15 an hour is what a steel worker makes, it's hard even for me to compare woring in fast food to working in a steel factory(I've done both) but the thing is that the steel worker really should be making $25 and hour. Our companies generally fuck our workers across the board, so the higher you go up that chain the less people think someone at the bottom should get a raise. Raising the minimum wage to $15 overnight would devastate the economy as some people here have said, but is there an economist here who can tell me what would happen if you doubled everyone's wages? Wages have not kept up with inflation. THe profits for the company keep rising, and wages are stagnant.

[URL="http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/02/13/minimum-wage-productivity_n_2680639.html"]If the minimum wage kept pace with increases in worker productivity it would be $21.72[/URL] [URL="http://www.raisetheminimumwage.com/facts/"]If it kept up with inflation it would be $10.86[/URL]

[QUOTE=Venezuelan;44872644][URL="http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/02/13/minimum-wage-productivity_n_2680639.html"]If the minimum wage kept pace with increases in worker productivity it would be $21.72[/URL] [URL="http://www.raisetheminimumwage.com/facts/"]If it kept up with inflation it would be $10.86[/URL][/QUOTE] any idea what it would be if it proportionally kept up with senate/congress/presidential pay?

[QUOTE=frozensoda;44872676]any idea what it would be if it proportionally kept up with senate/congress/presidential pay?[/QUOTE] Since 1938 (when minimum wage started), $4.35. Since 1968 (high point of real value minimum wage, after which the real value has been steadily declining), $9.28

[QUOTE=Venezuelan;44872801]Since 1938 (when minimum wage started), $4.35. Since 1968 (high point of real value minimum wage, after which the real value has been steadily declining), $9.28[/QUOTE] Are these adjusted for inflation? Because according to some online inflation calculators, $4.35 in 1938 is worth ~$70 dollars today.

[QUOTE=ZestyLemons;44872928]Are these adjusted for inflation? Because according to some online inflation calculators, $4.35 in 1938 is worth ~$70 dollars today.[/QUOTE] I took the current congressional pay and divided it by the old one, then multiplied that by the minimum wage of the same period, that's all. Just a quick calculation of net increase, inflation wouldn't be a factor. However, comparing it to the first minimum wage isn't really fair, it was an incredibly small base amount meant to increase exponentially. 1968 is a much better springboard, I shouldn't have even included the 1938 one

$10.00 minimum wage would make canadas min wage look like shit

[QUOTE=ZestyLemons;44872928]Are these adjusted for inflation? Because according to some online inflation calculators, $4.35 in 1938 is worth ~$70 dollars today.[/QUOTE] It was $0.25/hour in 1938 dollars.

[QUOTE=davethestoner;44872514]In my opinion the minimum wage shouldn't ever go over $10/hr, I think it should be just enough for you to get by. If its high enough where you're able to live comfortable off it where the motivation to get a better job come from?[/QUOTE] You can't even afford adequate nutrition on 10 bucks an hour

[QUOTE=Helix Snake;44872594]I can't believe there are people in here that think it should be OK to go on private property in large groups and block people from being able to enter buildings There have been legitimate protests unfairly treated as illegal but this is not one of them.[/QUOTE] The whole reason that they're protesting on private property is to get their targeted audience to notice them. Someone who makes decisions on a corporate level can go about their day without even seeing the people that their decisions affect. These protests were designed to interrupt the routine of the people in their targeted audience, to try to make them think about how they affect other people. It could've even been their goal to be arrested; that would definitely attract more attention than the protests alone

[QUOTE=Ardosos;44872124]Protests are supposed to be legal.[/QUOTE] Yeah because that's a good way to send a message. [editline]21st May 2014[/editline] [QUOTE=A_Pigeon;44873082]$10.00 minimum wage would make canadas min wage look like shit[/QUOTE] Not really, it would be about the same.

[QUOTE=davethestoner;44872514]In my opinion the minimum wage shouldn't ever go over $10/hr, I think it should be just enough for you to get by. If its high enough where you're able to live comfortable off it where the motivation to get a better job come from?[/QUOTE] well if minimum goes up so does everything else.

[QUOTE=Ardosos;44872124]Protests are supposed to be legal.[/QUOTE] That's like saying ice is supposed to be hot.

[QUOTE=confinedUser;44873858]well if minimum goes up so does everything else.[/QUOTE] to a much lesser, usually unnoticeable degree

[QUOTE=StrawberryClock;44873827]Yeah because that's a good way to send a message. [editline]21st May 2014[/editline] Not really, it would be about the same.[/QUOTE] Not really. Canadians have pretty extreme taxes compared to Americans. Adding up sales taxes our $10 can be worth around $8.50 before exchange rates. Even then most products are around 1-2 dollars more expensive just for being up here

[QUOTE=JohnFisher89;44872239][b]Again minimum wage boosting to 15+ dollars overnight is going to do very bad things to the economy of the US[/b], not so much the Cities and large Suburbs that support cities, but the small, gas station, POP of 1k towns, which are abundant in the US. Small businesses would not be able to compete.[/QUOTE] Every thread someone says this and it's never any less false.

[QUOTE=Masterofstars;44872338]Areas that have boosted the minimum raise have shown little to no effect on small business.[/QUOTE] I'm fairly certain those areas didn't rapidly say "WHOOPS, pay your employeers 1-5$ more to bring them up to the new minimum wage overnight". Unless you have a couple examples, I may be wrong here.

[QUOTE=Gray Altoid;44874771]Every thread someone says this and it's never any less false.[/QUOTE] yeah I mean the real value of minimum wage has objectively declined and it never hurt charts like this exist and people are still slinging the same fear mongering bullshit [IMG]http://www.dol.gov/minwage/images/chart-GDP-1930-to-2012.jpg[/IMG]

If they don't want to raise the minimum wage, that's fine - but instead they ought to hire more employees, because right now most fast food employees are expected to do the work of two to three people, which is absurd. Every fast food place I go to, there's only two or three people staffing the kitchen, frantically going back and forth to keep up with orders. They're severely overworked and it sucks. I've been in that position before, and the company refused to admit that we were understaffed, they just told us to work harder. Bullshit! A line going out the door, every single night at dinner time, there's two people in the kitchen, and we're expected to "work harder"? I almost had a mental breakdown working that fucking job. Ever have 30 hungry pairs of eyes staring at you while you're trying to finish their orders, desperately attempting to cling onto your sanity, as your only present coworker continues to work the register? It sucks. [editline]21st May 2014[/editline] It almost makes me want to cry thinking back to it, the customers were yelling at me, my coworker wasn't much help because she had to stay up front at the register and calm people down, we were running out of ingredients, it was just such a fucking mess... and we were reprimanded for not being able to handle it, if you can believe that. Two people staffing a kitchen on Friday night. Yeah, GREAT idea. Seriously, treat fast food employees better, please. They're not fucking superhumans!

prime example is i work for [URL]http://kogisa.com/[/URL] i do work as a cook, dishwasher and detailing rest room which are very poorly ventilated and i start to get sick after doing it. I'm only making 7.25$ an hour and they just cut me down to two days a week. Not to mention they fail to follow regulations and cause complete cross contamination consistently I've even tried to get on their ass about it and don't listen to me at all, and always tell me that i need to work harder which is fucked up because i'm the only one doing more than everyone else. When there is a stack of dishes and it's dead they all leave it to me to do and they just sit on their asses and bullshit

[QUOTE=mark6789;44872602]$15 an hour to flip burgers.....lol I hate people like that.[/QUOTE] yes because its that simple go and work in a fast food place and tell me that its that fucking simple [editline]22nd May 2014[/editline] because its not source: I work in a fast food place

[QUOTE=davethestoner;44872514]In my opinion the minimum wage shouldn't ever go over $10/hr, I think it should be just enough for you to get by. If its high enough where you're able to live comfortable off it where the motivation to get a better job come from?[/QUOTE] How idiotic. Minimum wage should be enough to allow someone to live in average comfort, not force them to scrape by week by week.

As someone who works in fast food, I've gotta agree with the $10 train of thought. $10/hr wouldn't fuck over small businesses/people working significantly worse jobs getting paid $15/hr, but would make a large difference for us and sort of level things with inflation. Anything less seems almost pointless, at $7.50 I can almost see why some people just choose not to work at all and get by via other means.

[I]Unauthorised protests[/I] sound rather.. undemocratic.

[QUOTE=Lord Xenoyia;44876616][I]Unauthorised protests[/I] sound rather.. undemocratic.[/QUOTE] "Unauthorized" protests here refer to protests on private property. First amendment only protects free speech on public property

Remember guys, civil disobedience is wrong! [editline]22nd May 2014[/editline] You can only protest in the way the thing you're protesting desires!