Lesbian couple denied schooling for their child - Polidicks

Saying it isn't normal is just false.

[QUOTE=ohadje;24263085]Saying it isn't normal is just false.[/QUOTE] That's your opinion, driven by the need for you to shove the politically correct view down my throat.

[QUOTE=Superwafflez;24263052]Since I am saying homosexuality is not normal, you are all calling me a bigot and redneck. These days you cannot say anything mildly controversial without someone coming along and shoving the opposing opinion down your throat.[/QUOTE] That's because you are a bigot, and when you present opinions as fact be prepared for people to come down and point out to you that you are wrong. If you can't handle someone else's opinion without feeling like they're "shoving it down your throat," then stop expressing your opinion, especially if you have neither the intellect nor the evidence to back it up.

[QUOTE=Superwafflez;24263099]That's your opinion, driven by the need for you to shove the politically correct view down my throat.[/QUOTE] Uh... or... it's just my opinion, and shit. Why do you think it isn't normal?

[QUOTE=Superwafflez;24263099]That's your opinion, driven by the need for you to shove the politically correct view down my throat.[/QUOTE] No it's not an opinion, it's fact. And stop using the term politically correct if you don't know what it means.

[QUOTE=Superwafflez;24263099]That's your opinion, driven by the need for you to shove the politically correct view down my throat.[/QUOTE] Another thing as that any form of homophobia hurt me personally because my uncle is a homosexual. It feels like you are insulting him.

Seeya guys, you can go find someone else to try and convert.

[QUOTE=Superwafflez;24263191]Seeya guys, you can go find someone else to try and convert.[/QUOTE] [img]http://likeabowloforanges.files.wordpress.com/2010/05/the-three-monkeys.jpg[/img]

[QUOTE=Superwafflez;24263052]Here you go pinning the homophobia badge on me again. I'm fine with it, I just don't agree that it's the normal thing for a human being to do.[/QUOTE] You're saying one thing than advocating for another. You're telling me you're fine with gays, then you're going against scientific consensus and kicking equal rights in the teeth, make up your fucking mind. [QUOTE=Superwafflez;24263052]Point two, you do realise other species have huge conflicts as well? Take ants for example.[/QUOTE] Okay? What the fuck is your point? [QUOTE=Superwafflez;24263052]Since I am saying homosexuality is not normal, you are all calling me a bigot and redneck. These days you cannot say anything mildly controversial without someone coming along and shoving the opposing opinion down your throat.[/QUOTE] I don't think you understand what political correctness is. We're not telling you to stop using the term fag or something like that, we're telling you your opinion is dumb because it disagrees with the evidence.

[QUOTE=Superwafflez;24263191]Seeya guys, you can go find someone else to try and convert.[/QUOTE] Translation: I've exhausted my talking points, so I'm going to go troll another thread.

[QUOTE=Billiam;24263218] We're not telling you to stop using the term fag or something like that, we're telling you your opinion is dumb because it disagrees with the evidence.[/QUOTE] You have yet to provide any conclusive evidence, all you have done is push pointless rhetoric back at me.

[QUOTE=Superwafflez;24263191]Seeya guys, you can go find someone else to try and convert.[/QUOTE] "I'm too stubborn to acknowledge that I'm wrong because I can't swallow my foolish pride." Is that what you meant?

[QUOTE=Billiam;24263271]"I'm too stubborn to acknowledge that I'm wrong because I can't swallow my foolish pride." Is that what you meant?[/QUOTE] Point in example of your failure to argue your point, and your resort to rhetoric.

[QUOTE=Superwafflez;24263253]You have yet to provide any conclusive evidence, all you have done is push pointless rhetoric back at me.[/QUOTE] But you didn't answer our question... Lets assume that a child indeed needs a father figure and a mother figure - wouldn't that mean that single parents shouldn't be allowed to raise children?

[QUOTE=ohadje;24263288]But you didn't answer our question... Lets assume that a child indeed needs a father figure and a mother figure - wouldn't that mean that single parents shouldn't be allowed to raise children?[/QUOTE] No, the vast majority of single parents have children from past relationships - and it is through unfortunate necessity that they have only one gender of parent. One of the core issues with homosexual parents is that, if a child is placed with two opposite sex parents it will be harder for them to learn about themselves, they wont be able to talk about some things to the same degree as in a normal parental structure, and the parents generally won't understand them as well. However, you then have the argument that if a homosexual couple have a child of the same sex, then the chances of molestation and abuse occuring are much higher in proportion to that of heterosexual couples.

[QUOTE=Superwafflez;24263404]No, the vast majority of single parents have children from past relationships - and it is through unfortunate necessity that they have only one gender of parent.[/QUOTE] So what's the different between a parent of one gender and two parents of the same gender? In fact, I think that two parents will make the child feel better.

[QUOTE=ohadje;24263439]So what's the different between a parent of one gender and two parents of the same gender? In fact, [b]I think that two parents will make the child feel better.[/b][/QUOTE] Haha, you could interpret that in a very bad way.

[QUOTE=Superwafflez;24263468]Haha, you could interpret that in a very bad way.[/QUOTE] :frog:

[QUOTE=Superwafflez;24263404]However, you then have the argument that if a homosexual couple have a child of the same sex, then the chances of molestation and abuse occuring are much higher in proportion to that of heterosexual couples.[/QUOTE] And you wonder why people call you a homophobe, a bigot, and a redneck. Where is your evidence to back up this inflammatory shit? [QUOTE=Superwafflez;24263404]One of the core issues with homosexual parents is that, [b]if a child is placed with two opposite sex parents[/b] it will be harder for them to learn about themselves, they wont be able to talk about some things to the same degree as in a normal parental structure, and the parents generally won't understand them as well.[/QUOTE] I'll point out since you don't seem that good with words: You just argued that a child placed in "opposite sex parents" will have a harder life, so you're saying that a child placed with two same-sex parents will have an easier time learning about themselves, and they'll be able to talk to their parents to a higher degree, and that the parents will understand them better. I'm glad to see you're finally getting the point.

[QUOTE=Superwafflez;24263281]Point in example of your failure to argue your point, and your resort to rhetoric.[/QUOTE] Hypocrisy, this entire post. Lets take a look at the primary points being argued in this thread. -Is homosexuality natural? Yes, yes it is, this is pretty common knowledge. [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homosexual_behavior_in_animals[/url] -Is homosexuality being natural really important? No, not really, this isn't something that can't be argued, but take a look at ohadje's post awhile back regarding whether or not natural behavior is important. -Are homosexual families any worse at raising children? You argue this against my study [QUOTE]The small and nonrepresentative samples studied and the relatively young age of most of the children suggest some reserve.[/QUOTE] However you ignore the rest of it [QUOTE]However, the weight of evidence gathered during several decades using diverse samples and methodologies is persuasive in demonstrating that there is no systematic difference between gay and nongay parents in emotional health, parenting skills, and attitudes toward parenting. No data have pointed to any risk to children as a result of growing up in a family with 1 or more gay parents. Some among the vast variety of family forms, histories, and relationships may prove more conducive to healthy psychosexual and emotional development than others.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Superwafflez;24263253]You have yet to provide any conclusive evidence, all you have done is push pointless rhetoric back at me.[/QUOTE] You're the one making the claim, provide some evidence.

[QUOTE=Superwafflez;24263404]No, the vast majority of single parents have children from past relationships - and it is through unfortunate necessity that they have only one gender of parent. One of the core issues with homosexual parents is that, if a child is placed with two opposite sex parents it will be harder for them to learn about themselves, they wont be able to talk about some things to the same degree as in a normal parental structure, and the parents generally won't understand them as well.[/QUOTE] Except, that's not true at all and you haven't provided a shred of evidence otherwise. [QUOTE=Superwafflez;24263404]However, you then have the argument that if a homosexual couple have a child of the same sex, then the chances of molestation and abuse occuring are much higher in proportion to that of heterosexual couples.[/QUOTE] Yes, because homosexuals are all sex-crazed monsters. And yes, even though you tried calling me out on my lack of evidence, you do the exact same thing demonstrating that you are not only horrendously misinformed, you're a massive hypocrite. [editline]11:01AM[/editline] [QUOTE=I Broke The Sun!;24263583]You're the one making the claim, provide some evidence.[/QUOTE] :golfclap:

[QUOTE=ohadje;24263202][img]http://likeabowloforanges.files.wordpress.com/2010/05/the-three-monkeys.jpg[/img][/QUOTE] Lol, what an awesome response.

[QUOTE=ohadje;24263487]:frog:[/QUOTE] Watch out for those two males holding hands coming our way, they might rape us.

You said homosexuals are more likely to molest their children? Wow, I'm [B]sure[/B] there is absolutely no evidence to support that. Plus, you pulled that out of your ass, why do you assume homosexuals are any more sex-crazed than heterosexuals? You can use your argument on straight parents too.

Why am I not surprised that this happened in Texas? [editline]11:04AM[/editline] [QUOTE=Superwafflez;24263468]Haha, you could interpret that in a very bad way.[/QUOTE] :frogdowns:

[QUOTE=Superwafflez;24263468]Haha, you could interpret that in a very bad way.[/QUOTE] :psyduck:

[QUOTE=Superwafflez;24263468]Haha, you could interpret that in a very bad way.[/QUOTE] Nice going losing your last shred of credibility.

Here's some evidence to show you that homosexual parents are significantly worse. [quote]A disproportionate percentage -- 29 percent -- of the adult children of homosexual parents had been specifically subjected to sexual molestation by that homosexual parent, compared to only 0.6 percent of adult children of heterosexual parents having reported sexual relations with their parent. ... Having a homosexual parent(s) appears to increase the risk of incest with a parent by a factor of about 50. P. Cameron and K. Cameron, "Homosexual Parents," Adolescence 31 (1996): 772[/quote] [quote]A study published in Nursing Research found that lesbians are three times more likely to abuse alcohol and to suffer from other compulsive behaviors: Like most problem drinkers, 32 (91 percent) of the participants had abused other drugs as well as alcohol, and many reported compulsive difficulties with food (34 percent), codependency (29 percent), sex (11 percent), and money (6 percent). Forty-six percent had been heavy drinkers with frequent drunkenness. Joanne Hall, "Lesbians Recovering from Alcoholic Problems: An Ethnographic Study of Health Care Expectations," Nursing Research 43 (1994): 238-244[/quote] [quote]Studies indicate that 0.3 percent of adult females report having practiced homosexual behavior in the past year, 0.4 percent have practiced homosexual behavior in the last five years, and 3 percent have ever practiced homosexual behavior in their lifetime. A study in Developmental Psychology found that 12 percent of the children of lesbians became active lesbians themselves, a rate which is at least four times the base rate of lesbianism in the adult female population. A. M. Johnson et al., "Sexual Lifestyles and HIV Risk," Nature 360 (1992): 410-412; R. Turner, "Landmark French and British Studies Examine Sexual Behavior, including Multiple Partners, Homosexuality," Family Planning Perspectives 25 (1993):91, 92 F. Tasker and S. Golombok, "Adults Raised as Children in Lesbian Families," p. 213[/quote] There's a shitload more I can find.

What does the last one have to do with anything?