[QUOTE=Tacosheller;34471495]It sounds like a good idea but it shouldn't be the highest priority.[/QUOTE]
highest priority should be psychological counselling for prison inmates given the amount of violence in American prisons and high rate of recidivism for some crimes
this would fall under that, so yeah it's a high priority
[QUOTE=Turnips5;34471046]horrendous post. thanks for being a gigantic bigot[/QUOTE]
I was being a bit sarcastic. Then again I was being more truthful, because why should the state pay for someones personal decision about getting their fucking dick chopped off
I've noticed a trend in FP threads like this. For the first half of page one the posts are ignorant, borderline bigoted, and they get tons of agrees. (First reply is always the prime example) Then someone comes along, says something smart, IT gets agrees, suddenly the other posts get somewhat more intelligent.
Somewhere around page three people stop reading that intelligent post and the overall tone gets bigoted and ignorant again
[QUOTE=Lambeth;34470954]You're marginalizing it by suggesting going through gender assignment surgery is like getting a facial scrub.
I think if she already went through hormone therapy you may as well do the surgery.[/QUOTE]
[B]Without knowing her mental health:[/B]
I said a Day Spa, not as a way of saying it's an easy treatment, but rather to say that she's not in a place where luxurys can be given. The prison wants to keep you physically healthy, so they'll pay for whatever medical treatment you need to keep you that way.
Having a sex change isn't going to change your physical health, so there's no need for the prison to pay for it.
She should pay for it herself. If she wasn't in prison, she'd have to anyway.
[QUOTE=Noth;34470419]She's in Prison, not a day spa. The state shouldn't have to pay for it.[/QUOTE]
I don't know know about you, but if I went to a day spa and got my gender reassigned, I'd want my money back.
Oh boy, here we go. :dance:
[QUOTE=Zeke129;34471591]I've noticed a trend in FP threads like this. For the first half of page one the posts are ignorant, borderline bigoted, and they get tons of agrees. (First reply is always the prime example) Then someone comes along, says something smart, IT gets agrees, suddenly the other posts get somewhat more intelligent.
Somewhere around page three people stop reading that intelligent post and the overall tone gets bigoted and ignorant again[/QUOTE]
And then the thread gets less and less replies until it eventually is either locked, or buried, in which case someone digs it up two years later, which causes it to become locked.
Circle of life.
She can go for it, but she should have to work for it at least partially because seriously I don't want all my tax money going to this shit.
[QUOTE=QueenSasha24;34471489]Quite a good explanation, bit basic, but good.[/QUOTE]
well thank you. Between taking Sociology classes, and firsthand experience, I like to think I have a decent understanding of this subject, unlike this guy here:
[QUOTE=supercopter;34471548]I was being a bit sarcastic. Then again I was being more truthful, because why should the state pay for someones personal decision about getting their fucking dick chopped off[/QUOTE]
No way in hell should the government pay for this.
[QUOTE=Triumph Forks;34470802]yes it will.
Gender Dysphoria isn't the same thing as being bummed out because you're a couple inches shorter than you'd like. it's a source of legitimate emotional and mental stress[/QUOTE]
You don't see midgets asking for us to fix their height, this bitch can shut up.
[QUOTE=Gundevil;34472617]You don't see midgets asking for us to fix their height, this bitch can shut up.[/QUOTE]
wow, cant argue with that airtight logic
[QUOTE=Gundevil;34472617]You don't see midgets asking for us to fix their height, this bitch can shut up.[/QUOTE]
Master debater of the year 2012 good point didn't see that one coming guv'na
[QUOTE=Gundevil;34472617]You don't see midgets asking for us to fix their height, this bitch can shut up.[/QUOTE]
you really swung for the fences with that one
[QUOTE=Gundevil;34472617]You don't see midgets asking for us to fix their height, this bitch can shut up.[/QUOTE]
[img]http://i.imgur.com/KX1QO.png[/img]
[QUOTE=Gundevil;34472617]You don't see midgets asking for us to fix their height, this bitch can shut up.[/QUOTE]
Well, I, yes, well, you see
You're just out of touch with reality, that's what it is.
If an inmate has a serious tumor that has to be took away fast (aka a serious medical issue), will he get that operation "for free", paid with tax-payer money ?
(that's an actual question)
[QUOTE=Ganerumo;34473122]If an inmate has a serious tumor that has to be took away fast (aka a serious medical issue), will he get that operation "for free", paid with tax-payer money ?
(that's an actual question)[/QUOTE]
Yes, they're in custody of the state so the state is responsible for medical expenses.
Like how parents aren't allowed to charge their children for medical expenses but also not like that at all
[QUOTE=RichyZ;34473164]yes
any and all healthcare is free in prison iirc
as well as business/career training colleges in prison[/QUOTE]
Well if the sex change is here an absolutely urgent serious medical issue (i.e if the inmate is going to flatout die without that sex change, excluding suicide because suicide is a different matter, in a way or another) there is no reason he shouldn't get it.
The problem is, I doubt not having a sex change would actually kill him.
[QUOTE=Ganerumo;34473314]Well if the sex change is here an absolutely urgent serious medical issue (i.e if the inmate is going to flatout die without that sex change, excluding suicide because suicide is a different matter, in a way or another) there is no reason he shouldn't get it.
The problem is, I doubt not having a sex change would actually kill him.[/QUOTE]
Her
Is there scientific proof that people who feel like this actually have something legitimately wrong in their genes or is it just psychological?
Just like other kinds of plastic surgery, this is something that he/she/whatever should pay for herself/himself/itself. he/she/whatever wont die or anything if he/she/whatever doesn't get it.
It's completely psychological. She doesn't feel comfortable being a woman, and it's creating serious emotional stress. It's just like being uncomfortable in your own skin 24/7.
[editline]31st January 2012[/editline]
Anyone who says it's purely aesthetic isn't well informed.
[QUOTE=Megafanx13;34472997]Well, I, yes, well, you see
You're just out of touch with reality, that's what it is.[/QUOTE]
Out of touch with reality? Okay there.
So we now live in a world where it is socially acceptable that a prisoner, a person who broke the laws which our countries have, should be entitled to an operation such as this?
Do they suffer from a deadly disease/condition? No.
By not having this operation will it drastically shorten their lifespan? No.
Is it completely necessary that this person undergo the operation at this time with complete government funding? No.
We have people with fucking cancer who can't afford the treatments, and you want to fix a criminals dick? I must be the one out of touch with the reality where people are so fucking ready to defend a convict because they are a minority then the thousands of people who can not afford medical operations that might actually save their fucking life.
Yes this person should get an operation to become more comfortable with themselves, but not in prison and not on our dime. It is not life threatening, it does not warrant spending while they are incarcerated.
[QUOTE=Lol-Nade;34473494]It's completely psychological. She doesn't feel comfortable being a woman, and it's creating serious emotional stress. It's just like being uncomfortable in your own skin 24/7.
[editline]31st January 2012[/editline]
Anyone who says it's purely aesthetic isn't well informed.[/QUOTE]
being in prison being told what to do, when to sleep, where to sleep, and being confined to a new home where you have to live with other men would be uncomfortable and create serious emotional stress, it's being uncomfortable with your surrounding 24/7
#occupyprisons
S/he is in prison, a place which is well known for causing acute stress and even physical trauma. This is not an environment that I am sure can be trusted for producing an individual capable of making such a decision.
I generally have trouble allowing this on the tax payer dime anyways, but then again, I don't suffer from the condition, so I can't tell how much of it is bullshit and how much is actually emotionally traumatizing. But again, we also don't exactly know how stable this person is.
I'm not saying yes or no, I'm just saying that the issue is slightly more complicated than one might believe.
[QUOTE=Triumph Forks;34470802]yes it will.
Gender Dysphoria isn't the same thing as being bummed out because you're a couple inches shorter than you'd like. it's a source of legitimate emotional and mental stress[/QUOTE]
I'm suffering from legitimate emotional and mental stress because my penis isn't big enough, american taxpayers need to fund my penis enlargement surgery. There's really no reason I should have to pay for this myself, I mean you wouldn't make someone pay to get their cleft palate fixed would you?
I feel that I was born with the wrong penis, Genital Mass Dysphoria is a serious medical issue and I will never feel comfortable in my own body until my penis is longer than 7 inches.
Anyone who says that such a thing would be purely aesthetic isn't well informed, not to mention out of touch with reality.
[QUOTE=Ninja Duck;34470493]Getting a sex change should be on her own money, not taxpayer money.
She's in prison, she's going to have to pay for surgery like the others around her.[/QUOTE]
Hi, you are holding someone against their will, you need to take care of them. The point is to get them away from the rest of society in order to rehabilitate them, not torture and force them to work at 20 cents an hour like we do now.
[QUOTE=Mattk50;34473743]Hi, you are holding someone against their will, you need to take care of them. The point is to get them away from the rest of society in order to rehabilitate them, not torture and force them to work at 20 cents an hour like we do now.[/QUOTE]
hi, no one made them commit crimes against their will, and if they want my taxpayers money to support them, then i'll pay for their humane shelter and food
not their surgeries that they dont need
[QUOTE=Mattk50;34473743]Hi, you are holding someone against their will, you need to take care of them. The point is to get them away from the rest of society in order to rehabilitate them, not torture and force them to work at 20 cents an hour like we do now.[/QUOTE]
So now your comparing prison to kidnapping basically? We take care of them. We give them food, water, beds, money, books, psychological and medical treatments along college educations should they ever decide to get off their ass.
We are not torturing someone because they want an unnecessary operation. It may be what they need to be comfortable with themselves, but will they die from not having it? No.
You can call it against their will all you want, but they broke a law and are being treated accordingly. If they don't like it there are many ways to exit the country, or even classes and support groups to help you not be a total jackass to the rest of us who don't go against the law.
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