i find this to be idiotic. You would be more likely to
raped and probably then request special treatment.
Sex changes in prisons seems like a bad idea, i think it would increase the chances of being sexually assualted.
[QUOTE=GunFox;34473688]S/he is in prison, a place which is well known for causing acute stress and even physical trauma. This is not an environment that I am sure can be trusted for producing an individual capable of making such a decision.
I generally have trouble allowing this on the tax payer dime anyways, but then again, I don't suffer from the condition, so I can't tell how much of it is bullshit and how much is actually emotionally traumatizing. But again, we also don't exactly know how stable this person is.
I'm not saying yes or no, I'm just saying that the issue is slightly more complicated than one might believe.[/QUOTE]
Transgender individuals have a suicide attempt rate of 40% (compared to 1.6% for the general population)
FORTY
PER CENT
How's that for emotionally traumatizing
[QUOTE=Zeke129;34473982]Transgender individuals have a suicide attempt rate of 40% (compared to 1.6% for the general population)
FORTY
PER CENT
How's that for emotionally traumatizing[/QUOTE]
Where did you get those numbers? I want it from a source that isn't Wikipedia.
[QUOTE=Red scout?;34474034]Where did you get those numbers? I want it from a source that isn't Wikipedia.[/QUOTE]
You realise Wikipedia cites its sources too, right?
There's no reason not to accept it
[QUOTE=Zeke129;34473982]Transgender individuals have a suicide attempt rate of 40% (compared to 1.6% for the general population)
FORTY
PER CENT
How's that for emotionally traumatizing[/QUOTE]
Though that brings up the interesting question of how much does it decline with people who get the surgery?
I would imagine a significant amount and thereby justifies the surgery completely, but if that isn't true, then we are fucking up pretty badly with our own assumptions. If it turns out the surgery doesn't ultimately help, then we are failing them as a society.
[QUOTE=Noth;34474054]You realise Wikipedia cites its sources too, right?
There's no reason not to accept it[/QUOTE]
Okay, let me see those numbers then
[QUOTE=Noth;34474054]You realise Wikipedia cites its sources too, right?
There's no reason not to accept it[/QUOTE]
It's supposed to cite it's sources, but it doesn't always. And in that case you should be using the source that Wikipedia cites rather than the Wikipedia article itself.
[QUOTE=GunFox;34473688]S/he is in prison, a place which is well known for causing acute stress and even physical trauma. This is not an environment that I am sure can be trusted for producing an individual capable of making such a decision.
I generally have trouble allowing this on the tax payer dime anyways, but then again, I don't suffer from the condition, so I can't tell how much of it is bullshit and how much is actually emotionally traumatizing. But again, we also don't exactly know how stable this person is.
I'm not saying yes or no, I'm just saying that the issue is slightly more complicated than one might believe.[/QUOTE]
What if she had the idea of a sex change before she went to prison, and now she's in prison, has no way of doing so?
[QUOTE=Lol-Nade;34474312]What if she had the idea of a sex change before she went to prison, and now she's in prison, has no way of doing so?[/QUOTE]
Then he shouldn't have broken the law. You break the law you go to prison.
[QUOTE=Gundevil;34473661]We have people with fucking cancer who can't afford the treatments, and you want to fix a criminals dick? I must be the one out of touch with the reality where people are so fucking ready to defend a convict because they are a minority then the thousands of people who can not afford medical operations that might actually save their fucking life. [/QUOTE]
Those are really two separate issues.
[QUOTE=Lol-Nade;34474312]What if she had the idea of a sex change before she went to prison, and now she's in prison, has no way of doing so?[/QUOTE]
That's his problem. If he wanted expensive gender reassignment surgery, he should have considered that before he got himself arrested and convicted for armed robbery and drug charges.
You're basically exclaiming "but there are starving children in africa!" when we're discussing how crappy my mother's fruitcake is
[QUOTE=Noth;34470419]She's in Prison, not a day spa.[/QUOTE]
holy shit really?
someone pass this information along! De'Lonta deserves to know this!
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[QUOTE=Gundevil;34472617]You don't see midgets asking for us to fix their height, this bitch can shut up.[/QUOTE]
i thought canadians were supposed to be nice and pleasant.
you must be from the english side.
[QUOTE=Red scout?;34474212]Okay, let me see those numbers then[/QUOTE]
You assume I actually have those numbers?
All I was saying is Wikipedia is a valid place for information, provided it has its sources listed.
[QUOTE=thisispain;34474356]i thought canadians were supposed to be nice and pleasant.
you must be from the english side.[/QUOTE]
I take that in offense
Also it's a she
[QUOTE=Mr. Sun;34473396]Is there scientific proof that people who feel like this actually have something legitimately wrong in their genes or is it just psychological?[/QUOTE]
Psychological for the most part and probably hormonal issues at some level.
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[QUOTE=Zeke129;34473982]Transgender individuals have a suicide attempt rate of 40% (compared to 1.6% for the general population)
FORTY
PER CENT
How's that for emotionally traumatizing[/QUOTE]
That stat doesn't make much sense, you know. Where does it apply ? Given those 1.6% are for "the general population" does that mean the 40% is just a part of those 1.6 ? Is the percentage only including transgenders who didn't get an operation or those who did as well ? Does it only include people who were medically confirmed as transgenders, so people who could also have been diagnosed with depression at the same time ?
[QUOTE=Lambeth;34470978]No
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Unless their obesity signification affects their health, like if they have diabetes or something.[/QUOTE]
Technically speaking, you're arguing that her case is special because it causes her severe emotional trauma.
And a person who is genetically obese, or has some sort of visible defect should not get the same trearment unless it's health threatening.
Sorry but that's being a hypocrite. You have to approach all of these problems in the same way, because like it or not they are comparable.
[QUOTE=PelPix123;34474914]Guys, being transgender doesn't just make you sad.
First, we have to start with the cause of transgenderism, which is thought to be incorrect sex hormones delivered by the mother during crucial brain development. When this happens, a child develops with [I]physically[/I] (transgenderism is in no way a [I]psychological[/I] problem) the opposite gender's brain. This is demonstrated by male-to-female transgendered people having the brain structure of a biological female and visa versa
The effects of the body's post-pubertal incoherent levels of opposite-sex hormone is believed to cause [B]universal inability for any form of satisfying neurotransmitter to do its job properly.[/B]
You can't just leave them like this.[/QUOTE]
Well in that case would you mind explaining how an artificial change of sex that consists in using hormones to grow a pair of breasts, cut your testicles and replace your penis with an artifical cavity that is made to look like a vagina can suddenly re-work your entire brain so it's suddenly able to work properly if absolutely no psychological issue is involved ? Because I don't get that part.
Hey people, it's "she" not "he", the first half of the bigoted posts got it right even.
And they don't just "chop your dick off", it's a very complex surgery involving a lot of different things.
[QUOTE=QueenSasha24;34475735]Hey people, it's "she" not "he", the first half of the bigoted posts got it right even.
And they don't just "chop your dick off", it's a very complex surgery involving a lot of different things.[/QUOTE]
Exactly, so it is very expensive, but it's completly unnecessary. He can wait until he gets out of prison, then he can spend his own money on the surgery.
[QUOTE=QueenSasha24;34475735]Hey people, it's "she" not "he", the first half of the bigoted posts got it right even.
And they don't just "chop your dick off", it's a very complex surgery involving a lot of different things.[/QUOTE] Yeah, it's more of a remove excess urethra and turn your penis inside out;[URL="http://ai.eecs.umich.edu/people/conway/TS/SRS.html"]For those who want to know more.[/URL] NSFW, of course.
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[QUOTE=Red scout?;34475767]Exactly, so it is very expensive, but it's completly unnecessary. He can wait until he gets out of prison, then he can spend his own money on the surgery.[/QUOTE]Depending of his/her mental state, it could be very necessary. Improving self image does wonders.
Do they... turn it inside out? Or do they surgically attach a dick to it
[QUOTE=Red scout?;34475767]Exactly, so it is very expensive, but it's completly unnecessary. He can wait until he gets out of prison, then he can spend his own money on the surgery.[/QUOTE]
It IS very expensive, but only because the Doctor's exploit the transgendered person's need for the surgery, like most other operations. And I think it is necessary, since it would unquestionably improve this woman's life. If they really wanted to (and i'm not sure if they can do this) pay her surgery now, then have her pay them back for it once out of prison.
The surgery would also allow for her to be put in a Woman's prison instead of the men's (if she isn't already). I can't imagine the hell she goes through being a woman in a male prison.
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[QUOTE=Lol-Nade;34475854]Do they... turn it inside out? Or do they surgically attach a dick to it[/QUOTE]
I'm presuming this is a male to female transgendered woman, so they wouldn't do either of those.
[QUOTE=QueenSasha24;34475896]I'm presuming this is a male to female transgendered woman, so they wouldn't do either of those.[/QUOTE]
female to male.
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wait I'm stupid, other way around
[QUOTE=QueenSasha24;34475896]It IS very expensive, but only because the Doctor's exploit the transgendered person's need for the surgery, like most other operations. And I think it is necessary, since it would unquestionably improve this woman's life. If they really wanted to (and i'm not sure if they can do this)[b] pay her surgery now, then have her pay them back for it once out of prison.[/b]*
The surgery would also allow for her to be put in a Woman's prison instead of the men's (if she isn't already).[b] I can't imagine the hell she goes through being a woman in a male prison.[/b]**
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I'm presuming this is a male to female transgendered woman, so they wouldn't do either of those.[/QUOTE]
*Sounds perfectly reasonable, but due to the fact that he is a criminal, they might not trust him.
**He/she is still physically male, he isn't more likely to get raped than any other inmate just because he feels/identifies like he is a woman.
[QUOTE=Red scout?;34476266]**He/she is still physically male, he isn't more likely to get raped than any other inmate just because he feels/identifies like he is a woman.[/QUOTE]
That's faaar from true.
[QUOTE=Red scout?;34476266]*Sounds perfectly reasonable, but due to the fact that he is a criminal, they might not trust him.
**He/she is still physically male, he isn't more likely to get raped than any other inmate just because he feels/identifies like he is a woman.[/QUOTE]
Well, they do have ways of tracking ex-convict movement.
And well for the second point, I wasn't necessarily referring to rape, I was more so referring to harassment of her by other prisoners and possibly guards. Bottom line even if she is a prisoner she still is surrounded by people who aren't known as being the most tolerant of sorts.
It just makes him easier.
goddamnit
[QUOTE=Triumph Forks;34470802]yes it will.
Gender Dysphoria isn't the same thing as being bummed out because you're a couple inches shorter than you'd like. it's a source of legitimate emotional and mental stress[/QUOTE]
If they can survive their whole life up until that point, they can survive the relatively short time they have left in prison
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