[QUOTE=Ganerumo;34495548]It's totally unrelevant because it's a stat based over the testimony of a small number of people, instead of the actual number of people who actually killed themselves and happened to be transgender. Depending on who you pick you might get a high number or a smaller one, some might lie, etc.[/QUOTE]
You can't tell if someone is transgender if they kill themselves and never told anyone though. There's no perfect way to quantify it.
[QUOTE=Zeke129;34495580]You can't tell if someone is transgender if they kill themselves and never told anyone though. There's no perfect way to quantify it.[/QUOTE]
Indeed, so pulling out a stat like this as an argument just doesn't work.
[QUOTE=Ganerumo;34495591]Indeed, so pulling out a stat like this as an argument just doesn't work.[/QUOTE]
Except my stat was a survey, not just "seeing how many suicides happened to be transgender people"
[QUOTE=Jo The Shmo;34495567]do you know how statistics work
6,000-something is way more than enough for a statistically significant sample[/QUOTE]
The number of post-op male-to-women people in the US is 32000 according to the US. That's only counting people who DID get an operation, you probably have to at least triple that number if you want to count all the other ones.
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[QUOTE=Zeke129;34495600]Except my stat was a survey, not just "seeing how many suicides happened to be transgender people"[/QUOTE]
And Jo The Shmo proved that it was an unrelevant stat because depending on the article/survey you find the stat in the number drastically changes.
[QUOTE=Ganerumo;34495629]The number of post-op male-to-women people in the US is 32000 according to the US. That's only counting people who DID get an operation, you probably have to at least triple that number if you want to count all the other ones.[/QUOTE]
Oh great here we go on the "how poll work" thing again
[QUOTE=Ganerumo;34495629]The number of post-op male-to-women people in the US is 32000 according to the US. That's only counting people who DID get an operation, you probably have to at least triple that number if you want to count all the other ones.
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And Jo The Shmo proved that it was an unrelevant stat because depending on the article/survey you find the stat in the number drastically changes.[/QUOTE]
take statistics and then look at what you're saying.
[url]http://www.khanacademy.org/search?page_search_query=statistics[/url]
there are some good quick videos here
christ it's like this guy has never heard of a stratified random sample...
and yes, I am a little wary of trusting that survey, but it has nothing to do with the sample size, it's just because there are many different surveys that all say different things, it's hard to figure out which ones are accurate.
[QUOTE=Jo The Shmo;34495691]and yes, I am a little wary of trusting that survey, but it has nothing to do with the sample size, it's just because there are many different surveys that all say different things, it's hard to figure out which ones are accurate.[/QUOTE]
only error I can see is people who suffered suicide ideation answering yes to a question regarding suicide attempts
well what about the other surveys that concluded it was 15%?
there had to be errors in at least [i]one[/i] of the surveys, I don't know how and I don't know which ones
[QUOTE=Jo The Shmo;34495736]well what about the other surveys that concluded it was 15%?
there had to be errors in at least [i]one[/i] of the surveys, I don't know how and I don't know which ones[/QUOTE]
I don't know. Different methodologies means you can't even average them. The only unanimous result is that their rate of suicide is higher than the average.
[QUOTE=Zeke129;34471591]I've noticed a trend in FP threads like this. For the first half of page one the posts are ignorant, borderline bigoted, and they get tons of agrees. (First reply is always the prime example) Then someone comes along, says something smart, IT gets agrees, suddenly the other posts get somewhat more intelligent.
Somewhere around page three people stop reading that intelligent post and the overall tone gets bigoted and ignorant again[/QUOTE]
Awwwwwwww did someone hurt your feelings, here let me get you some icecream and a bandaid
[QUOTE=supercopter;34522657]Awwwwwwww did someone hurt your feelings, here let me get you some icecream and a bandaid[/QUOTE]
yeah man, people should learn their place
God forbid we afford people human kindness and demonstrate some level of nuance in our understanding of complex issues.
[QUOTE=Zeke129;34494798]Because if a medical condition has multiple methods of treatment someone should be able to choose which one they go through with[/QUOTE]
Not if your a prisoner, you get told what one you get. I'm sorry, but prisoners don't get the rights people who follow the laws do. You break them, you get your punishment. It's already stupid enough we allow them to vote.
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