LAPD Confuses Woman Kissing Husband for Prostitue, Arrests Her
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[QUOTE=NeverGoWest;45975710]Why are american cops so fucking horrible at their job?
I mean, we hear loads of these cases where they just randomly arrest people, or shoot them and their dogs to death, why?
Is American police school really that bad?[/QUOTE]
You only hear the stories about the bad ones, and even good ones make mistakes sometimes.
Although LAPD blows anyway, so no sympathy for the cops on this one. They're total dicks.
[QUOTE=GeneralSpecific;45975829]Maybe it's possible that policing a country with 300 million people is hard and people fuck up sometimes.[/QUOTE]
what does the number have to do with it? we have a very average citizen to police ratio
[url]http://www.bloomberg.com/visual-data/best-and-worst/most-heavily-policed-countries[/url]
[QUOTE=Bonde;45976081]Did they seriously detain her for dressing [I]slutty[/I]?
This is more like fashion police.[/QUOTE]
It probably had more to do with her skin color.
[QUOTE=3picFail;45975845]If a cop asks you to present an ID, you can request that they identify themselves first both via ID and badge number which is done by calling in amd verifying that the number belongs to that officer. Unlike you, they're actually obligated tp do so because of their position.[/QUOTE]
or you could just show them your id and not start shit????
I'm defending the guy who is saying that it isn't much of a big deal to show cops your ID. It takes like 10 seconds to get it out, 1 or 2 minutes for them to run it on the computer and make sure there aren't any warrants for your arrest or priors which could assist in the situation. They aren't going to run off with it or come stalk you. And invasion of privacy would be the police asking for your ID, riffling through your car/bag/you, or something like that. You'd save yourself a lot of time and effort if you just cooperate instead of being a "muh rightz" little shit. Besides, cops don't know you. They don't want to have to spend 10 minutes dealing with a loon or a perfect little angel cause there's a lot more they can learn just by knowing your name. Just cause you say you aren't a prostitute, doesn't mean you aren't one til proven.
I'm no good two-shoes either. I just know how to act with authority to speed it up and save some time maybe even prevent an arrest. It truly isn't that hard.
[QUOTE=MasterFen006;45978888]or you could just show them your id and not start shit????[/QUOTE]
But shit would already have been started at that point.
[QUOTE=Crimor;45978920]But shit would already have been started at that point.[/QUOTE]
"Ma'am can I please see your ID?"
omg so much shit talkin plz get rekt pig
why don't you show them your id fuck
i mean it's a dumb reason to ask for your id but you refusing isn't gonna fix shit and make the situation worse
[QUOTE=NoobieWafer223;45978897]instead of being a "muh rightz" little shit[/QUOTE]
America: we're proud of our rights but strongly discourage you from actually using them
[QUOTE=NoobieWafer223;45978897]I'm defending the guy who is saying that it isn't much of a big deal to show cops your ID. It takes like 10 seconds to get it out, 1 or 2 minutes for them to run it on the computer and make sure there aren't any warrants for your arrest or priors which could assist in the situation. They aren't going to run off with it or come stalk you. And invasion of privacy would be the police asking for your ID, riffling through your car/bag/you, or something like that. You'd save yourself a lot of time and effort if you just cooperate instead of being a "muh rightz" little shit. Besides, cops don't know you. They don't want to have to spend 10 minutes dealing with a loon or a perfect little angel cause there's a lot more they can learn just by knowing your name. Just cause you say you aren't a prostitute, doesn't mean you aren't one til proven.
I'm no good two-shoes either. I just know how to act with authority to speed it up and save some time maybe even prevent an arrest. It truly isn't that hard.[/QUOTE]
I don't think you get why people don't like this kind of shit.
Its because of the presumption of guilt by the police (especially due to skin color).
[QUOTE=NoobieWafer223;45978936]"Ma'am can I please see your ID?"
omg so much shit talkin plz get rekt pig[/QUOTE]
If I understand the article right, they were on like, a fucking sidewalk at the time, absolutely no reason to ask for ID other than "Ma'am I do believe you're a criminal, please get the fuck in my cruiser"
[editline]14th September 2014[/editline]
[QUOTE=NoobieWafer223;45978897] Just cause you say you aren't a prostitute, doesn't mean you aren't one til proven.[/QUOTE]
Oh yes, because we should always act like people are guilty until proven otherwise.
[QUOTE=Crimor;45979069]If I understand the article right, they were on like, a fucking sidewalk at the time, absolutely no reason to ask for ID other than "Ma'am I do believe you're a criminal, please get the fuck in my cruiser"
[editline]14th September 2014[/editline]
Oh yes, because we should always act like people are guilty until proven otherwise.[/QUOTE]
If you provide ID and they see you have no history in crime and you are indeed married, nothing would fucking happen. Police gain the ability to detain you if you don't provide ID because nine times out of ten you don't because youre hiding something on your record. Muh privacy is a fucking joke because your ID is probably the most public thing you show to people almost every week.
You have the right to not answer questions, but in most states you are required to provide your full name and birthday to the police when questioned.
[QUOTE=GeneralSpecific;45975332]Just because you can't think of a reason doesn't mean there is no reason. Maybe you are a goody goody two shoes who has nothing to hide from anybody and will willingly follow what anybody says and have no expectation of privacy or being treated with respect, but that doesn't mean everybody is exactly like you.[/QUOTE]
The reason is pretty clear as to why they asked for ID suspecting she was a prostitute. They run her ID to see if she has priors related to prostitution and when it comes back clean there's nothing on her. It might be ridiculous to think she was a prostitute but once they have that suspicion, running her ID would help clear that up pretty quickly.
Its good to point out the cops where actually called by someone, they didn't see them kissing and assuming she was a prostitute.
[QUOTE=codemaster85;45979222]If you provide ID and they see you have no history in crime and you are indeed married, nothing would fucking happen. Police gain the ability to detain you if you don't provide ID because nine times out of ten you don't because youre hiding something on your record. Muh privacy is a fucking joke because your ID is probably the most public thing you show to people almost every week.
You have the right to not answer questions, but in most states [B]you are required to provide your full name and birthday to the police when questioned.[/B][/QUOTE]
Good thing this wasn't one of those states, please go back and actually read the article before spouting shit.
[QUOTE=Crimor;45979069]If I understand the article right, they were on like, a fucking sidewalk at the time, absolutely no reason to ask for ID other than "Ma'am I do believe you're a criminal, please get the fuck in my cruiser"
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Police ask to see your id in virtually any interaction with them pertaining to a crime. They ask for it if your the victim or just a witness, its not implying anything. It's so they know who they are dealing with, any prior arrest or other information.
The way I see it there are two different perspectives in play here.
From her perspective, she's just making out with her husband, what's the big deal?
From the cops perspective, they are responding to a call they have to investigate. The couple was apparently on someone else's private property, and had the chance to stop what they were doing or leave. A simple show of ID would have allowed the cops to resolve the situation a lot faster.
You might not be required to carry ID and present it, but they can hold you until they resolve things. Not carrying or showing ID will end up costing you and not hurt them in the least.
[QUOTE=Dukov Traboski;45975226]Not saying it is, but if a cop comes up to you and thinks you are doing something bad. And simply showing them or ID will prove you are not doing bad things. Then why wouldn't you show it?[/QUOTE]
There's no reason I should have to. They need proof i'm doing bad things to ask me for that, they don't get to ask me for that and start looking into me either way without evidence.
[QUOTE=Crimor;45979455]Good thing this wasn't one of those states, please go back and actually read the article before spouting shit.[/QUOTE]
Too bad you didn't read that not providing ID when you're suspected of a crime just gets you detained till they can identify you and your record. Its basic police procedure.
the amount of "if you're not guilty you have nothing to hide"-mentality in this thread is astonishing and i blame you for contributing to the ever-growing overzealous police trend
[QUOTE=stupid10er;45979886]the amount of "if you're not guilty you have nothing to hide"-mentality in this thread is astonishing and i blame you for contributing to the ever-growing overzealous police trend[/QUOTE]
Its showing your fucking Id, not letting them search your house.
[QUOTE=BusterBluth;45979939]Its showing your fucking Id, not letting them search your house.[/QUOTE]
doesn't matter, if you don't have to, why should the pressure of doing so amount to practically being forced to anyways?
[QUOTE=stupid10er;45980061]doesn't matter, if you don't have to, why should the pressure of doing so amount to practically being forced to anyways?[/QUOTE]
Well then I guess you should never buy beer, go to clubs, or sign any official papers because you're going to have to show ID to do any of those things. Jesus christ you guys are acting like they are breaking into your house or looking through your internet history.
[QUOTE=MasterFen006;45978888]or you could just show them your id and not start shit????[/QUOTE]
I don't actually reccomend doing it if you don't know why one would do it. Mainly, my point was that its ironic that someone with an actual obli gation to prove that they're who they are make it seem like people without that obligation do in fact have that obligatipn and they don't.
If you're wondering why one would "start shit" in that manner is because police will try to solicit your interaction even when you don't have any lawful obligation to comply. So, upon askig for their ID, they'll either provide you the information you require and calling in will show that when solicited you weren't actively committing a crime and simply was offering your compliance (not directly but CBA go into depth here on my phone), or if they don't and detain you or arrest you do some other bullshit you can take it to court and say you didn't believe that they are what they claim to be, and it would be reasonable to resist detainment, arrest, or search, because they didn't prove themselves.
Sorry if some of this doesn't make sense, like I said earlier CBA to explain shit or fix my post on my phone.
Oh, forgot to mention this. When you apply for an ID or drivers liscense at the DMV, they make you sign your rights away, in a sense. I know this sounds conspiracy theorist as fuck, but basically when you sign that paper you sign up to make state law applicable to you, whereas before you were never contracted to it. When you show ID, you're basically telling the officer that a certain set of laws can be applied to you.
I can't believe people are still using the "If you've done nothing wrong, then what do you have to hide?" excuse.
[QUOTE=soccerskyman;45980465]I can't believe people are still using the "If you've done nothing wrong, then what do you have to hide?" excuse.[/QUOTE]
And I can't believe people are so paranoid now that they don't provide their ID to officers (completely ignoring they can just take your fingerprints and find out who you are that way.) Its been a thing since state issued IDs were a thing so suddenly its big bother infinging on my privacy.
[editline]14th September 2014[/editline]
Shit they dont even put your social security number on IDs anymore, all it is your full name, birthday, expiration date, issued number, and your sex. If you don't trust the officer you can call 911 and ask if the current officer is real before doing it. Shit you're more likely to experience fraud from stores looking at your ID than an officer.
[QUOTE=soccerskyman;45980465]I can't believe people are still using the "If you've done nothing wrong, then what do you have to hide?" excuse.[/QUOTE]
Once again, its your fucking ID.
[editline]14th September 2014[/editline]
[QUOTE=3picFail;45980306]
Oh, forgot to mention this. When you apply for an ID or drivers liscense at the DMV, they make you sign your rights away, in a sense. I know this sounds conspiracy theorist as fuck, but basically when you sign that paper you sign up to make state law applicable to you, whereas before you were never contracted to it. When you show ID, you're basically telling the officer that a certain set of laws can be applied to you.[/QUOTE]
What are you talking about? State laws are applicable to you just when your in the state.
guilty until proven innocent, friends
[QUOTE=Wingz;45980948]guilty until proven innocent, friends[/QUOTE]
Hence why she was detained, not jailed. They needed her ID for investigating to see if they really were married through records, but they refused to. Do any of you know basic police procedure at all?
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