• ISIS militants are too scared to die.
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[QUOTE=bobsynergy;46082463]The titles pretty dumb like of course they are going to change their tactics so less of them die? do you expect them to say "fuck it we will just go out in the open and get bombed to pieces" they aren't stupid. There is not being afraid to die then there is actually being smart about it come on.[/QUOTE] Nah they're pretty stupid just not in this way
[QUOTE=Cutthecrap;46082376]Its not a terrorist group for fucks sakeeeeee[/QUOTE] U-uh... What. What are you talking about? Don't fucking tell me, do you support THAT? We've hit a new low, guys. This is worse than fucking Rayhalo.
[QUOTE=Zonesylvania;46082408]I think by this definition they are a terrorist group.[/QUOTE] Jesus Christ, are you telling me the United States government is a terrorist group? The Chinese government? The Russian government? By no means they are a terrorist group. The fact that ONE of their weapons is targeting civilians populations and forcing demands via those attacks doesn't mean they are a terrorist group. And they far from being a mere political movement. They are totally and absolutely different to FARC, Sendero Luminoso, Montoneros, MIR, Al Qaeda, RAF etc etc In fact, I've never seen a "terrorist group" do the things ISIS is doing. [QUOTE]Don't fucking tell me, do you support THAT? [/QUOTE] Don't you fucking tell me you believe that challenging the definition used for one group is supporting said groups actions...
[QUOTE=maxumym;46082509]U-uh... What. What are you talking about? Don't fucking tell me, do you support THAT? We've hit a new low, guys. This is worse than fucking Rayhalo.[/QUOTE] Not so much supporting ISIS but talking semantics about how they're 'a fully functional state' as opposed to being 'just another terrorist group.' [quote]In fact, I've never seen a "terrorist group" do the things ISIS is doing.[/quote] Given that even Al-Qaeda have washed their hands of ISIS and are calling them crazy and excessive, yeah, I suppose you've got a point there, we've got your usual fare of terrorist groups and then we have IS.
[QUOTE=Zonesylvania;46082517]Not so much supporting ISIS but talking semantics about how they're 'a fully functional state' as opposed to being 'just another terrorist group.'[/QUOTE] It's not semantics. It's calling things by the way they are. And if you call them a "terrorist group" you are equating them with other terrorist group that have existed through history and that exist today. Which, as I have said, they are totally different. [QUOTE]Given that even Al-Qaeda have washed their hands of ISIS and are calling them crazy and excessive, yeah, I suppose you've got a point there, we've got your usual fare of terrorist groups and then we have IS. [/QUOTE] No no, I'm not talking about the brutality of their actions. That is out of the question. But I'm talking about the level of extension, control and organization they have inside some countries borders. They are waging a conventional war against the Syrian, Iraqi and the Peshmerga. Your run of the mill terrorist group usually explodes a bomb here and there, kidnaps some people, etc etc. They don't go full conventional warfare and start seizing towns.
Isn't everyone afraid to die? Who knows what its like to not exist. I mean theres theories in religion and such but actually dying.. no one has a clue whats after existing cause that's all we've known.
[QUOTE=SexualShark;46081627]so what was that about allah protecting you from the infidels?[/QUOTE] Turns out that wishing for god to rain fire on your enemies doesn't work as well as having machines that can literally rain fire. You reap what you sow, dumbasses.
[QUOTE=Cutthecrap;46082515]Jesus Christ, are you telling me the United States government is a terrorist group? The Chinese government? The Russian government? By no means they are a terrorist group. The fact that ONE of their weapons is targeting civilians populations and forcing demands via those attacks doesn't mean they are a terrorist group. And they far from being a mere political movement. They are totally and absolutely different to FARC, Sendero Luminoso, Montoneros, MIR, Al Qaeda, RAF etc etc In fact, I've never seen a "terrorist group" do the things ISIS is doing. Don't you fucking tell me you believe that challenging the definition used for one group is supporting said groups actions...[/QUOTE] Flag dog makes this post so much more hilarious.
[QUOTE=Cutthecrap;46082537]It's not semantics. It's calling things by the way they are. And if you call them a "terrorist group" you are equating them with other terrorist group that have existed through history and that exist today. Which, as I have said, they are totally different. No no, I'm not talking about the brutality of their actions. That is out of the question. But I'm talking about the level of extension, control and organization they have inside some countries borders. They are waging a conventional war against the Syrian, Iraqi and the Peshmerga. Your run of the mill terrorist group usually explodes a bomb here and there, kidnaps some people, etc etc. They don't go full conventional warfare and start seizing towns.[/QUOTE] Uh?? You have no idea what you're talking about Firstly a terrorist group is in reality only defined as one by external recognition. If the US and their butt buddies call you a terrorist you probably are (but not always) Your logic doesnt even add up, Hamas and the PKK are both terrorist groups in control of land, running it like their own country. IS is a terror group just like the taliban is. Was the taliban somehow not a terror group when it controlled all of Afghanistan? [editline]26th September 2014[/editline] You should really cut the crap, cutthecrap
[QUOTE]You should really cut the crap, cutthecrap [/QUOTE] Congrats, you're not the first nor sadly the last one to be so smart. [QUOTE]Your logic doesnt even add up, Hamas and the PKK are both terrorist groups in control of land, running it like their own country. IS is a terror group just like the taliban is. Was the taliban somehow not a terror group when it controlled all of Afghanistan? [/QUOTE] [B]So because I didn't mention them does it mean I call them terrorist groups? [/B] I don't know who's logic is faulty here...mine because I don't adhere or I challenge a traditional and meaningless definition which is too broad or yours because you use an ad ignorantiam as in "He doesn't mention the PPK nor Hamas, so he must be calling them terrorist groups, so he's contradicting himself". [QUOTE]Firstly a terrorist group is in reality only defined as one by external recognition. If the US and their butt buddies call you a terrorist you probably are (but not always) [/QUOTE] Fuck, really?
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[QUOTE=Cutthecrap;46083249]Congrats, you're not the first nor sadly the last one to be so smart. [B]So because I didn't mention them does it mean I call them terrorist groups? [/B] I don't know who's logic is faulty here...mine because I don't adhere or I challenge a traditional and meaningless definition which is too broad or yours because you use an ad ignorantiam as in "He doesn't mention the PPK nor Hamas, so he must be calling them terrorist groups, so he's contradicting himself". Fuck, really?[/QUOTE] You sound really hardcore to defend your "ISIS IS NOT TERRORIST" argument. It's sounding like you're "okay" with them or something.
[QUOTE=Cutthecrap;46082376]Its not a terrorist group for fucks sakeeeeee[/QUOTE] Normally you are considered a terrorist if you intend to do harm to civilians in order to create fear and gain power with it. IS have been murdering thousands and say if anyone defies them, they'll be decapitated. Yes, they're terrorists.
Dumb title. Just because they're willing to die doesn't mean they're willing to die needlessly in an airstrike being useless to their cause.
we must use this fear to our advantage we must make them die to keep them on their toes
[QUOTE=Cutthecrap;46083249]Congrats, you're not the first nor sadly the last one to be so smart. [B]So because I didn't mention them does it mean I call them terrorist groups? [/B] I don't know who's logic is faulty here...mine because I don't adhere or I challenge a traditional and meaningless definition which is too broad or yours because you use an ad ignorantiam as in "He doesn't mention the PPK nor Hamas, so he must be calling them terrorist groups, so he's contradicting himself". Fuck, really?[/QUOTE] You fail to see the point in that you're not the one who gets to decide what is or isn't a terrorist group, therefore I'm calling out your argument as being contradicted based on the standards of an actual authority, not just your personal opinion of what is a 'terrorist' or a 'terror group'. I don't care what you consider the PKK, Hamas, Al Qaeda, Taliban, ISIS, or any other group to be. It's quite clear what they are. Matter of fact is that IS is a terror group and you wanting to call them something else because they're somehow too extreme to fit the bill of a terror group is such a pointless and quite frankly dumb thing to do. Really what you've been trying to say the whole thread is comparable to how people say members of IS are 'not human' "theyre SO bad they aint even fuckin human beings!!!" and you "theyre SO bad they aint even fuckin terrorists, terrorists cant be this bad!!!" which brings me to ask why anyone even bothered to argue with you in the first place? it's downright petty semantics. like who gives a fuck what they're called, they're still doing the same absurd shit no matter what people call them.
[QUOTE]planting their black flags on civilian homes,[/QUOTE] Anyone find something wrong in this?
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[QUOTE=Zonesylvania;46081879]No surprises here, the more conspicuous you are the easier it is for a conventional military force to seek you out and flatten you. But this said, we'll never be completely rid of terrorism; even if this group is completely exterminated root and branch, after a while we'll see some other nuts taking up the cause.[/QUOTE] Hatred doesn't really have to be organized to flourish.
[QUOTE=Medevila;46082046]Everyone wants to combat a conventional army of extremists until they complicate things by mutating into guerrillas[/QUOTE] This is the thing. They're bound to return back to insurgent tactics when they're facing overwhelming opposition, though I'm not sure how a counter-insurgency against ISIS would go compared to the Iraq War, but if the West were to occupy Iraq once again it would never have been a conventional army we're fighting. EDIT: That doesn't mean to say we shouldn't continue to bomb them to shit
this is like a bunch of baby spiders on the mom spiders back, and when you smash the mom spider all the little ones go running and in a year theyll be back with their own babys
[QUOTE=DesolateGrun;46084920]this is like a bunch of baby spiders on the mom spiders back, and when you smash the mom spider all the little ones go running and in a year theyll be back with their own babys[/QUOTE] Dude I seriously killed a spider just now, come on you're making me all sketched out
[QUOTE=bravehat;46081739]I think you mean more likely. Bomb them all you like, they'll just hide and come out later.[/QUOTE] lets hope a middle eastern coalition takes the brunt of the work instead of the us and grinds IS into the dirt. [editline]27th September 2014[/editline] [QUOTE='[Seed Eater];46082054']Gonna disagree here. When they start becoming hard to spot and start hiding in civilian cover then airstrikes and drones become less useful, meaning troops are more efficient when you want to limit civilian casualties.[/QUOTE] If I remember correctly, special forces in the early months of invading Baghdad reduced airstrikes from 150 a month to 2-5, and civilian casualties plummeted. I hope we don't send a mass of troops there.
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[QUOTE=Cutthecrap;46082537]It's not semantics. It's calling things by the way they are. And if you call them a "terrorist group" you are equating them with other terrorist group that have existed through history and that exist today. Which, as I have said, they are totally different. No no, I'm not talking about the brutality of their actions. That is out of the question. But I'm talking about the level of extension, control and organization they have inside some countries borders. They are waging a conventional war against the Syrian, Iraqi and the Peshmerga. Your run of the mill terrorist group usually explodes a bomb here and there, kidnaps some people, etc etc. They don't go full conventional warfare and start seizing towns.[/QUOTE] since when did conventional warfare include mass executions and beheadings?
[QUOTE=ossumsauce;46087040]since when did conventional warfare include mass executions and beheadings?[/QUOTE] In his defense, I'm pretty sure since the invention of conventional warfare However waging symmetrical warfare against an opponent does not suddenly make you not a terrorist.
[QUOTE=Mechwarrior;46082595]Isn't everyone afraid to die? Who knows what its like to not exist. I mean theres theories in religion and such but actually dying.. no one has a clue whats after existing cause that's all we've known.[/QUOTE] You're obviously not very religious.
You're an absolute dolt if you're too dense to realise that IS is a terrorist group
[QUOTE=fruxodaily;46087643]You're an absolute dolt if you're too dense to realise that IS is a terrorist group[/QUOTE] Don't worry. Media has finally caught up to their bullshit and money is no longer enough to keep the Republican party afloat, save for some holdouts (a lot of holdouts unfortunately). They're going to slowly die because their bullshit can finally be exposed.
[QUOTE=ossumsauce;46087040]since when did conventional warfare include mass executions and beheadings?[/QUOTE] The middle ages. Even during the early modern era. When Persia sacked Baghdad in their war with the Ottoman Empire in the late 1500s/early 1600s, they murdered every single Sunni in the city who didn't escape beforehand.
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