[QUOTE=.Isak.;51089395]I really doubt that the "drug pushers" feel any safer on the street now that the president of their country has given [i]literally anyone[/i] free reign to murder them in cold blood with no trial.
"Drug pushers" are humans, too, and even though they've committed a crime, they deserve a trial like literally anyone else. Duterte is breaking international humanitarian law. I don't care if his "crude" solution is "working," there is [I]no excuse[/I] for outright calling for the open murder of your own civilians through vigilante justice.
I understand that the drug trade is a problem in the Philippines and I recognize that people want change - but Duterte's a fucking vile idiot of a human being with the mannerisms of a twelve-year-old and the professional political talent of a coked-out rhino. His solutions are contrary to human rights. He's a childish idiot who's using the influence of the state to get thousands of people killed.
[editline]22nd September 2016[/editline]
Would you be okay with a random stranger bursting into your home and murdering one of your family members under the [i]suspicion[/i] that they were pushing drugs? No, you fucking wouldn't - Duterte's policies [i]entirely nullify the concept of a fair trial by your peers[/i]. That is unjustifiable.
If Duterte has enough money to construct new "rehabilitation facilities" (prisons) for literal millions of drug addicts, he could [i]hire some fucking judges before calling for mob justice to execute them[/i].[/QUOTE]
I'm sorry to say this, but this is EXACTLY the opinion of people who never had any contact with the world of drug addicts.
According to my first hand experience with them, the time when we'll be worrying about human right might be the time where we're already in our grave, after they killed us for today's fix.
I've seen poor old ladies being threatened by their own son for money, or they'll be killed.
It's up to the point that she had to call police to arrest her own son.
Youth sellling drugs on the street like it's prepaid card.
Corrupt polices who are actually buddies with the drug pushers.
Law enforcers that could'nt be bothered anymore.
Opening rehab centres? Do you think they have not tried those? Well I've got news: They're all full. And the 'rehabilitated' ones are far from so. Rehab are not working, and it costs a lot of money.
This isn't just a problem of 'drugs', it's a problem of 'livelihood' of the people. Almost like a war. People are killing others for drugs, and they're doing it in masse. It's akin to invasion, if you will.
I suggest you go to experience the horror first-hand, then probably how we sort out our priorities will be different.
[QUOTE=hakimhakim;51098918]I'm sorry to say this, but this is EXACTLY the opinion of people who never had any contact with the world of drug addicts.
According to my first hand experience with them, the time when we'll be worrying about human right might be the time where we're already in our grave, after they killed us for today's fix.
I've seen poor old ladies being threatened by their own son for money, or they'll be killed.
It's up to the point that she had to call police to arrest her own son.
Youth sellling drugs on the street like it's prepaid card.
Corrupt polices who are actually buddies with the drug pushers.
Law enforcers that could'nt be bothered anymore.
Opening rehab centres? Do you think they have not tried those? Well I've got news: They're all full. And the 'rehabilitated' ones are far from so. Rehab are not working, and it costs a lot of money.
This isn't just a problem of 'drugs', it's a problem of 'livelihood' of the people. Almost like a war. [B]People are killing others for drugs, and they're doing it in masse[/B]. It's akin to invasion, if you will.
I suggest you go to experience the horror first-hand, then probably how we sort out our priorities will be different.[/QUOTE]
So instead of people killing each other over drugs en masse, we now have people killing each other over drugs en masse.
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[QUOTE=Kyle902;51098350]Honestly the biggest problem with this is that it establishes a precedent where the filipino government can ignore due process so long as they have popular support.[/QUOTE]
I'm pretty sure this is why everyone outside of the Philippines has such a problem with this. Who's to say he can't use it as a cover to have dissidents and political opponents assassinated?
Not to mention that this isn't dealing with the problem. You kill all the low level dealers and users and leave the people at the top of the chain and nothing will happen.
Until you fix the problems that cause people to turn to drugs this problem isn't going to go away.
[QUOTE=Zekkei;51084710]hundreds of thousands turned themselves in. People want change. Even the ones who are users and in the drug business. this is just the surface of whats really happening here. And im not going to explain every point since you insist that this "war on drugs" will not work. But what if it did? What if under dutertes administration corruption stops, funds get used properly and more prisons, rehabilitation facilities, schools, etc are built? You have to understand that duterte is having a hard time cleaning up the clusterfuck left by previous administration and the previous way of thinking of the filipinos. There is no "clean" solution to this i am telling you.[/QUOTE]
What happens without Dueterte?
You know what this looks like to me?
An amazing chance for a new cartel to pop up and have more power and influence than ever. Duteurte is going to push them more into the shadows than ever, these groups already have hundreds of millions if not more money. What are they going to do from there? Quietly insert their influence every where while waiting for Duertete to croak or be killed or retire. Once he's gone, you're not likely to have such a fervent warrior to lead your charge against drugs again.
And things will just be worse because you never dealt with the problems, just the symptoms.
I don't know what to suggest really but I have a feeling trying to outviolence drug cartels is [B]always[/B] going to backfire.
[editline]24th September 2016[/editline]
[QUOTE=hakimhakim;51098918]I'm sorry to say this, but this is EXACTLY the opinion of people who never had any contact with the world of drug addicts.
According to my first hand experience with them, the time when we'll be worrying about human right might be the time where we're already in our grave, after they killed us for today's fix.
I've seen poor old ladies being threatened by their own son for money, or they'll be killed.
It's up to the point that she had to call police to arrest her own son.
Youth sellling drugs on the street like it's prepaid card.
Corrupt polices who are actually buddies with the drug pushers.
Law enforcers that could'nt be bothered anymore.
Opening rehab centres? Do you think they have not tried those? Well I've got news: They're all full. And the 'rehabilitated' ones are far from so. Rehab are not working, and it costs a lot of money.
This isn't just a problem of 'drugs', it's a problem of 'livelihood' of the people. Almost like a war. People are killing others for drugs, and they're doing it in masse. It's akin to invasion, if you will.
I suggest you go to experience the horror first-hand, then probably how we sort out our priorities will be different.[/QUOTE]
I was a heroin addict.
I've been there. Yes drug addicts are bad people by and large. Many of them are too far gone for help. We can't just kill them though. The ones who want help, get it, they get out. That's my experience. Yes, it'll cost money to fix this problem. Do you want a cheap answer? There isn't one.
[editline]24th September 2016[/editline]
[QUOTE=hakimhakim;51098847]I love Duterte. He got backbone. Probably because he knew nobody would invade Philippine.
Now if only Philippine has some oil...
If people actually knows Philippine drug situations first hand outside of Western media limited political-correctness, this whole thing probably made more sense to them.[/QUOTE]
I've had it explained to me and I understand the desperation of the situation that people really think this is the option. They wouldn't if they weren't desperate. The problem is, that solutions from desperate people are often shit solutions that fix nothing. Long term, what's killing everyone going to do? Consolidate profits, increase the cost of the drugs, and make some rich people even richer while they find new ways to exploit the system because even Duterte isn't going after the right people.
The foreign minister has made a speech at the UN asking the world not to interfere
The photo in the article really drove home what is happening here for me
[img]http://i.imgur.com/uxUFd3L.jpg[/img]
[quote]The body of a man, with his head wrapped in a masking tape is pictured on a street, who police said is a victim of drug related vigilante execution. A sign on a piece of paper also found tied on the victim's head reads: I am a persistent thief and drug pusher, Better Change.'[/quote]
[url=http://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-un-assembly-philippines-idUKKCN11U0QM]From here[/url]
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