• Republican Leader: "We will repeal Obamacare"
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[QUOTE=Karishnikova;46431380]Americans get fucked by both parties, not just Republicans. [editline]7th November 2014[/editline] YES fucking blame them! It's their JOB to read and understand what they're pushing through into law! You CANNOT excuse them making shit decisions just because it would require reading a lot of shit! That is literally, 100%, THEIR JOB. If they cannot do it as required they should NOT be allowed to continue.[/QUOTE] Its infuriating because everyone (democrats) just blanket pushed for it without knowing what exactly it would do. My father has been a doctor for about 25 years and he has called everyfuckingthing that would come with Obamacare Doctors quitting, UNaffordable care, and a broken treatment system. also lol, "If you like your insurance you can keep it" Lying sack of shit.
[QUOTE=Mio Akiyama;46431401]Yes let's spend time and effort repealing a system that is creating affordable healthcare instead of fixing other shit in the country that's more important. Good job, Republicans.[/QUOTE] It honestly isn't doing that at all
[QUOTE=Mio Akiyama;46431401]Yes let's spend time and effort repealing a system that is creating affordable healthcare instead of fixing other shit in the country that's more important. Good job, Republicans.[/QUOTE] It's not creating affordable healthcare. It's jacking up the price of treatments because now that more people have healthcare, pharmaceutical companies and hospitals are jacking up their prices to milk more out of the insurance companies, who in turn are jacking up premiums and co-pays and deductibles. Before Obamacare came out, I was able to find good Dental insurance for less than $30/mo that actually covered shit and had a decent deductible and co-pay. Now? Well fuck me in the ass, if I want to pay less than $50/mo for dental I'm getting a $10,000 deductible, $50 copay, and I only get ONE tooth extraction in my entire lifetime (including non-impacted wisdom teeth) and ONE impacted wisdom tooth extraction in my entire lifetime. Last I checked I have 4 wisdom teeth. It's also making it hard to get quality care. My mother has been sick as a dog with god knows WHAT for almost a year and getting any sort of treatment paid for by her insurance company is like pulling teeth from a rabid dog. It takes them a month or more to approve an MRI or a cat-scan when the doctors say they need it to diagnose something, and it doesn't cover everything as well. Something she was told would be 100% covered ended up costing her $1500 and no one told her about it until she got a bill from the hospital with 15 days left to start a payment arrangement.
[QUOTE=Yahnich;46431464]this sounds more like a greed issue than an issue with obamacare though??[/QUOTE] It is, but the way Obamacare is structured ALLOWS for that sort of thing to happen. If we had real socialized medicine and NOT gigantic corporations with practically unlimited checking accounts, then doctors and hospitals and pharmacies would be forced to charge a reasonable amount for their services, not a markup of 5000% that can be covered by the insane amount of money these insurance companies have.
All this talk of tricksy poor people benefiting by abusing the ACA. It reminds me how many believe the poor use food stamps to buy lobster for dinner every night, welfare to pay for rent and 20 children, and use every other government program to get money for drugs. That's how the poorest members of our society live, in the lap of luxury, stealing from the rich who are overworked and under payed.
[QUOTE=Comrade_Eko;46431579]All this talk of tricksy poor people benefiting by abusing the ACA. It reminds me how many believe the poor use food stamps to buy lobster for dinner every night, welfare to pay for rent and 20 children, and use every other government program to get money for drugs. That's how the poorest members of our society live, in the lap of luxury, stealing from the rich who are overworked and under payed.[/QUOTE] They do. My brother who is a med student tells me how people actually REJOICE when their child is given a disease or illness. Their usual response is, "one less kid to feed" or "sweet now i can get free electricity from PECO!" it is fucking disgusting.
Poor people use food stamps to buy frozen dinners, soda, candy, and chips. They don't buy lobster because they don't know how to cook. They also trade away food stamps for half their value to other people to get things like cigarettes, pot, alcohol, or gasoline. As someone who lost his job and got food stamps, seeing what other people bought with them made me sick, and I'd like to hope people seeing what [I]I [/I]bought with them gave them some hope. When I was on food stamps I bought things like: -on sale cuts of meat -rice -vegetables (usually canned or frozen because they were cheaper than fresh) -fruit -milk -eggs -cheese -lunch meat and cheese -pickled/preserved vegetables and peppers -whole grain cereals I allowed myself ONE treat a week with food stamps and just about every week it was a pint of Publix brand chocolate milk because it was delicious and inexpensive. I think one time I used my weekly treat to get a small box of off brand rice krispy treats I never bought shit like soda, candy, chips, frozen pre-made meals, etc.
[quote]The assurance sets up a showdown with the lame duck president over his signature law, as well as Senate Democrats, a few of whom would need to break ranks and vote with the GOP in order to make repeal possible.[/quote] If they're talking about overriding Obama's veto, wouldn't they also need about 100 Democrats in the House? Along with 10-15 Senators. It seems very unlikely to happen
[QUOTE=smurfy;46431675]If they're talking about overriding Obama's veto, wouldn't they also need about 100 Democrats in the House? Along with 10-15 Senators. It seems very unlikely to happen[/QUOTE] I'm sure there's plenty of Democrats who would be happy to repeal Obamacare if it meant bringing in a new, better, and more stable socialized medicine program.
[QUOTE=Karishnikova;46431723]I'm sure there's plenty of Democrats who would be happy to repeal Obamacare if it meant bringing in a new, better, and more stable socialized medicine program.[/QUOTE] I'm sure there are plenty who would repeal it because it might help them in 2016...
[QUOTE=Karishnikova;46431723]I'm sure there's plenty of Democrats who would be happy to repeal Obamacare if it meant bringing in a new, better, and more stable socialized medicine program.[/QUOTE] implying republicans would make a socialized healthcare system. All it would do would label them as socialists, which they have been bashing nonstop.
[QUOTE=Karishnikova;46431723]I'm sure there's plenty of Democrats who would be happy to repeal Obamacare if it meant bringing in a new, better, and more stable socialized medicine program.[/QUOTE] sadly repealing it won't lead to anything other than it getting repealed
[QUOTE=codemaster85;46431756]implying republicans would make a socialized healthcare system. All it would do would label them as socialists, which they have been bashing nonstop.[/QUOTE] Republicans WOULD make a socialized healthcare system, and have implemented or helped implement such systems in the past [url=http://fee.org/the_freeman/detail/guess-who-paved-the-road-to-socialized-medicine]See here[/url]. The problem is not that they don't want it, it's that the majority of Americans don't want it, or rather, feel like healthcare is something that should be obtained by the family, not provided by the government. Unfortunately, the Republican party is more concerned about public image than the Democratic party is. You see it every election cycle. Republicans get two years, maintain the status quo while quietly putting things together in the background and getting shit ready. Democrats come in and get two years (or sometimes just one) and fuck up their image by trying to do what they think is right, but not what the people want Republicans come back in after the Democrats, undo what the Democrats did that the public viewed so negatively After one or two Republican terms, after the Democrats have repaired their image, they come back and do it again. It's a cyclical problem. I feel strongly, however, that the Republican party IS working towards Socialized medicine, they're just taking the long slow road, which is necessary in our country. If we dropped it in all at once it'd fucking destroy whichever party did it (like Obamacare nearly destroyed the Democratic party). The Republicans understand that, unlike the Democrats, and are trying to push things through one piece at a time.
[QUOTE=elixwhitetail;46430182]black Democrat[/QUOTE] Can't go one post without pulling a race card, can we? I guess the majority of America's racist then, now that we've voted in a bunch of republicans.
[QUOTE=gk99;46431939]Can't go one post without pulling a race card, can we? I guess the majority of America's racist then, now that we've voted in a bunch of republicans.[/QUOTE] Race has nothing to do with it. America voted in Republicans because they're grossly unhappy with how the Democrats have been running things. Not just Obama, ALL Democrats.
Holy shit if the Republicans replace Obamacare with a proper healthcare system then this is huge. I have faith
[QUOTE=thelurker1234;46430933]Uh. Are you insinuating that they're made that he's black? .[/QUOTE] Yes actually because that's exactly what they're mad about.
[QUOTE=Tmaxx;46432022]Yes actually because that's exactly what they're mad about.[/QUOTE] Yes. I'm sure the Republicans are mad at the democrats because of their half-black president, and not because he's been in office two terms and have been working against Republican points of interest the entire time.
[QUOTE=Jon27;46431334]This is what utterly befuddles me about many Republican supporters down there. They moan and bitch and whine about Obama's ideas for affordable healthcare. Then, when someone falls ill and can't afford healthcare, they bitch that it's Obama's fault. What the flying fuck is up with the way some American voters think? Are they really just that thick, or that convinced that everything is the [i]other guy[/i]'s fault? If someone could explain this to me, I'd be grateful. I mean, I thought UKIP voters were bad for this shit but the more I think about this the more mad I get at these people.[/QUOTE] It's not that they're that 'thick', it's that when it comes time to vote they don't bother to think. The majority of them are actually pretty smart, but when the polls open they just go "Hurrduur I'm voting Republican". It's like they leave their brain in their car when they get there, then pop it right back in their heads afterwards. Granted, a lot of them are unadulterated dumbasses. But not the majority. People in America tend to either vote for whatever party they claim to be a member of, often without knowing what that party's candidate wants, or they vote for the opposite party of the incumbent out of unhappiness with how things currently work. It's one curse of the two party system, and of how televised elections are. There's next to no chance for a third party to worm their way into the situation, and most of the TV adverts are attack ads rather than "I will do my best to do X, Y and Z for YOU, the people who pay my salary and vote me in. So vote me in!". Being a properly informed voter in America requires investigative work on the level of a homicide detective most of the time, something the average joe just doesn't have the time or energy to do, so they go off the attack ads on TV and party lines.
[QUOTE=Banhfunbags;46432005]Holy shit if the Republicans replace Obamacare with a proper healthcare system then this is huge. I have faith[/QUOTE] Trailer park witchdoctors.
[QUOTE=ZakkShock;46431227]The "Poor" that live in such prosperity that most have refrigerators. Freeloaders![/QUOTE] You can get a mini fridge for like $75 and it pays for itself by allowing you to get food that would otherwise spoil are you for real right now How far gone do you have to be to consider a fridge to be a luxury item in the first world
[QUOTE=TestECull;46432159]It's not that they're that 'thick', it's that when it comes time to vote they don't bother to think. The majority of them are actually pretty smart, but when the polls open they just go "Hurrduur I'm voting Republican". It's like they leave their brain in their car when they get there, then pop it right back in their heads afterwards. Granted, a lot of them are unadulterated dumbasses. But not the majority. People in America tend to either vote for whatever party they claim to be a member of, often without knowing what that party's candidate wants, or they vote for the opposite party of the incumbent out of unhappiness with how things currently work. It's one curse of the two party system, and of how televised elections are. There's next to no chance for a third party to worm their way into the situation, and most of the TV adverts are attack ads rather than "I will do my best to do X, Y and Z for YOU, the people who pay my salary and vote me in. So vote me in!". Being a properly informed voter in America requires investigative work on the level of a homicide detective most of the time, something the average joe just doesn't have the time or energy to do, so they go off the attack ads on TV and party lines.[/QUOTE] They think just fine, and they know what they're voting for. A lot of them very may well want or support the things that Democrats want, but in the south, everyone is pro-2nd amendment, and I know a lot of people (myself included) who will never vote Democrat simply because their party always attacks the 2nd amendment.
I'm okay with this from the standpoint of at least then it won't be illegal for me to not be stuck feeding the pocket of evil for-profit insurance companies. But I'm absolutely not okay with this from the standpoint that people who cannot afford healthcare (including me honestly) are going to be thrown under the bus again because they're not rich enough. [editline]7th November 2014[/editline] [QUOTE=Venezuelan;46432191]You can get a mini fridge for like $75 and it pays for itself by allowing you to get food that would otherwise spoil are you for real right now How far gone do you have to be to consider a fridge to be a luxury item in the first world[/QUOTE] You wouldn't understand, this is 'murica, a MAN's country. Real men go out every day with a spear and rock club to find their meals. Them fancy Re-fridger-ation thingers ruin the idea of survival of the fittest.
Draugur what the fuck
[QUOTE=Karishnikova;46431365]The current Obamacare system is fucking broken and shit. It's a good start on the road to real socialized medicine and healthcare but compared to Canadian or European systems it's a motherfucking joke.[/quote] do you even know what the "obamacare system" is? it's a set of regulations (for example, you cannot be denied for pre-existing conditions) propped up by medicare/medicaid expansions and an individual mandate; it also has a healthcare exchanges website. that is what it is. what do you think it is? [QUOTE]The Republican party has fiddled with the notion of implementing REAL socialized healthcare in the past. I'm hopeful that they want to repeal Obamacare so they can fix it and roll out a real working socialized healthcare program.[/QUOTE] the republican party also used to have the democratic party's ideals (up until the 1950s), but that doesn't mean that they're going to start pushing for welfare expansions and environmental regulations. [quote]Because right now, regardless of what people think, Obamacare IS hurting American jobs. Even if its a start in the right direction the way it was done is making employers cut hours, increase costs, and stop hiring full-time to be able to afford it without cutting into their profits.[/QUOTE] do you have any statistics to back that assertion up? and if you cite that one report by the CBO, know that the CBO was talking about people choosing to work less because they no longer needed as much money to pay for their healthcare. that's not job loss, that's people choosing to take less hours. [QUOTE=Squad1993;46431373]Love all the republican bashing going on here. Obamacare either needs to be repealed or completely fucking overhauled. It literally does not work at all. I've worked at a doctors office for the last 4 summers and as each summer goes by you see more and more people being unable to afford their copays, insurance and prescriptions. Doctors hate going to work and many veterans are retiring.[/quote] if i drop a ball on the floor and an earthquake occurs, that doesn't mean i started the earthquake. correlation does not imply causation, and the plural of anecdote isn't data. [QUOTE]Above all this, the people who need healthcare the most are the ones who can't afford it because they are paying for the people who do not need it and exploit the broken system.[/QUOTE] can you provide any statistics that show that fraud is in any way rampant and then can you explain how that somehow translates to people not getting healthcare [quote]Healthcare was in trouble from the start but now its completely fucking dysfunctional all because the retards in office didn't fucking READ what they were signing into law! Had they taken the time to read (dont blame them cuz its 1000s of pages or something) they would have realized "well wait a minute this doesnt sound right." this fucking government.[/QUOTE] how can you say with authority that they don't know what they're reading, or that it doesn't make sense. have you, personally, read all 1000 pages of the document, or are you just parroting something that someone else said [QUOTE=Karishnikova;46431440]It's not creating affordable healthcare. It's jacking up the price of treatments because now that more people have healthcare, pharmaceutical companies and hospitals are jacking up their prices to milk more out of the insurance companies, who in turn are jacking up premiums and co-pays and deductibles.[/quote] [citation needed] [QUOTE]Before Obamacare came out, I was able to find good Dental insurance for less than $30/mo that actually covered shit and had a decent deductible and co-pay. Now? Well fuck me in the ass, if I want to pay less than $50/mo for dental I'm getting a $10,000 deductible, $50 copay, and I only get ONE tooth extraction in my entire lifetime (including non-impacted wisdom teeth) and ONE impacted wisdom tooth extraction in my entire lifetime. Last I checked I have 4 wisdom teeth.[/QUOTE] again, correlation =/= causation. [quote]It's also making it hard to get quality care. My mother has been sick as a dog with god knows WHAT for almost a year and getting any sort of treatment paid for by her insurance company is like pulling teeth from a rabid dog. It takes them a month or more to approve an MRI or a cat-scan when the doctors say they need it to diagnose something, and it doesn't cover everything as well. Something she was told would be 100% covered ended up costing her $1500 and no one told her about it until she got a bill from the hospital with 15 days left to start a payment arrangement.[/QUOTE] maybe it's because you have a shitty insurance company? [QUOTE=Karishnikova;46431619]Poor people use food stamps to buy frozen dinners, soda, candy, and chips. They also trade away food stamps for half their value to other people to get things like cigarettes, pot, alcohol, or gasoline. As someone who lost his job and got food stamps, seeing what other people bought with them made me sick, and I'd like to hope people seeing what [I]I [/I]bought with them gave them some hope.[/QUOTE] yes i'm sure that's absolutely true and you're totally not just projecting your misguided beliefs on the things you "see" the plural of anecdote is, again, not data. [QUOTE=RichyZ;46432274]hes quoting a fox news columnist that said owning fridges or microwaves makes you not poor [editline]7th November 2014[/editline] also obamacare is really shit it belongs in the trash in its current state, its basically "oh you don't have a healthcare plan? fucking pay for one or you'll be paying an extra $50 a month which you can't even benefit from if anything health related happens to you"[/QUOTE] the reason the individual mandate exists is that when you allow people to get coverage with pre-existing conditions, you run the risk of people waiting until they're sick to get insurance. that isn't how insurance works, obviously, because you need people putting money into the pool so that others can draw out, so they had to implement a mandate in order to prevent the death of the insurance industry, while still ensuring that someone can get coverage when they've got a long-term illness. necessary evil for the good. the law provides subsidies for those that cannot pay for their insurance; be sure to look those up, if you're having an issue.
Joes, if all you can do is point out logical fallacies, you're not contributing to the thread.
[QUOTE=gk99;46431939]Can't go one post without pulling a race card, can we? I guess the majority of America's racist then, now that we've voted in a bunch of republicans.[/QUOTE] The majority didn't vote. My state had its lowest voter turnout in recorded history. :(
[QUOTE=Karishnikova;46431823]Republicans WOULD make a socialized healthcare system, and have implemented or helped implement such systems in the past [url=http://fee.org/the_freeman/detail/guess-who-paved-the-road-to-socialized-medicine]See here[/url]. The problem is not that they don't want it, it's that the majority of Americans don't want it, or rather, feel like healthcare is something that should be obtained by the family, not provided by the government. Unfortunately, the Republican party is more concerned about public image than the Democratic party is. You see it every election cycle. Republicans get two years, maintain the status quo while quietly putting things together in the background and getting shit ready. [B]getting what ready? all ive seen is republicans do is literally mark their opponents as obama supporters and cry about healthcare being socialist.[/B] Democrats come in and get two years (or sometimes just one) and fuck up their image by trying to do what they think is right, but not what the people want [B]Other than AHA what have the democrats actually done that was so negative to the US? Because all the republicans have done is bitch about ongobongocare and not passing a fucking budget that was extremely detrimental to the country.[/B] Republicans come back in after the Democrats, undo what the Democrats did that the public viewed so negatively [B]You mean what baby boomers, rednecks, the rich view negatively.[/B] After one or two Republican terms, after the Democrats have repaired their image, they come back and do it again. [B]implying having massive corporate tax cuts that cost billions and more military spending is always a good thing.[/B] It's a cyclical problem. I feel strongly, however, that the Republican party IS working towards Socialized medicine, they're just taking the long slow road, which is necessary in our country. If we dropped it in all at once it'd fucking destroy whichever party did it (like Obamacare nearly destroyed the Democratic party). [B]Theres no proof republicans want fucking socialized medicine, they just keep pushing that they want to destroy AHA to look like the good guys so they can be reelected to sit and do literally nothing but fund kick backs for themselves.[/B] The Republicans understand that, unlike the Democrats, and are trying to push things through one piece at a time. [B]Gee, i wonder why democrats push for things all at once. it cant be that they have to fight tooth and nail for a single inch when it comes to making any kind of bill.[/B][/QUOTE] Democrats can be just as bad as republicans don't get me wrong, but republicans have literally no game plan other than criticizing Obama and being crybabies about it.
[QUOTE=codemaster85;46432484]Democrats can be just as bad as republicans don't get me wrong, but republicans have literally no game plan other than criticizing Obama and being crybabies about it.[/QUOTE] [quote=codemaster85]getting what ready? all ive seen is republicans do is literally mark their opponents as obama supporters and cry about healthcare being socialist[/quote] Cite a source. I haven't seen Republicans calling healthcare being socialist in years, nor have I seen a widespread use of calling their opponents "obama supporters" You're also implying that Democrats and Liberals don't call Republicans nasty names and try to invalidate their ideals based on bullshit propaganda. [quote=codemaster85]Other than AHA what have the democrats actually done that was so negative to the US? Because all the republicans have done is bitch about ongobongocare and not passing a fucking budget that was extremely detrimental to the country.[/quote] AHA + Obamacare was enough, but the democrats have also stood on the graves of those injured in recent shooting in an attempt to push unwanted gun control through, lobbied incessently for gun control when it's obvious it's unwanted, and attacked 2nd amendment supporters as if they're babykilling left-wing gun nut psychos. [quote=codemaster85]You mean what baby boomers, rednecks, the rich view negatively.[/quote] Those demographics make up the majority of our population. Doesn't matter what negative connotation you seem to feel is necessary to tag onto them. Majority rules, always has, always will. That's what this system is founded on. All of your other quotes imply that Republicans do things that Democrats don't. Both parties call the other names. Both parties cock-block and fillibuster and do whatever they can to fuck the other party over. Both parties are 100% selfish and will never compromise because that means they lost and the other party won. Both parties are fucking infantile babies. But IMO, at least the Republicans don't attack one of our constitutionally guaranteed freedoms every goddamn time they get in office.
Why repeal when you can amend.
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