US recognises Jerusalem as Israel's capital, State Dept to move embassy - Polidicks

[QUOTE=Svinnik;52954152]You don't know your history. The West Bank was controlled by Jordan for 20 years before they attacked israel and lost it. Israel controlled the entire west Bank until the oslo accords which split the west bank into Palestinian controlled areas, Israeli controlled areas, and joint controlled areas. All israeli settlements are in the Israeli controlled area. Objectively, Palestinians have more of a country now than they ever did, especially with Hamas and the Palestinian Authority coming to terms and allowing the Palestinian Authority to administer the Gaza border crossings.[/QUOTE] It is certainly true that Jordan took that land, but I am talking about before that, and am mainly speaking of the non-West bank territory anyway. The only reason I mentioned the West Bank is because it is the only bit of land still owned by Palestine (in theory) apart from the Gaza strip.

[QUOTE=Svinnik;52954092]The representative parties of the Palestinians, the Palestinian Authority and Hamas, both implicitly and explicitly call for the destruction of the state of Israel. If someone says that the US made a deal, they don't mean that every citizen in the US made a deal.[/QUOTE] Tbh I just wanted a clarification from you what you mean when you say "the Palestinians" and your example doesn't work because in that case you would say "The Americans" or "The people of the USA" [editline]7th December 2017[/editline] [QUOTE=Svinnik;52954103]Generally people in the conflict refer to each other by nationality, Palestinians refer to the Israeli government the Israelis or the Jews and israeli generally refer to the Palestinian Authority/Hamas as the Palestinians. [editline]7th December 2017[/editline] Wait until after the Islamic Friday night prayers, it'll be really bad then.[/QUOTE] Ok but you are neither of those and I am pretty sure that professional debates and outlets use other terms that don't give it the sound and notion that your language does.

[QUOTE=Dan The Man;52954227]It is certainly true that Jordan took that land, but I am talking about before that, and am mainly speaking of the non-West bank territory anyway. The only reason I mentioned the West Bank is because it is the only bit of land still owned by Palestine (in theory) apart from the Gaza strip.[/QUOTE] Before that the entire region of Palestine was part of the British Mandate, and before that it was ruled by the Ottoman Empire. Where are you going with this?

[QUOTE=Killuah;52954243] Ok but you are neither of those and I am pretty sure that professional debates and outlets use other terms that don't give it the sound and notion that your language does.[/QUOTE] My Israeli passport, israeli birth certificate, and my IDF exemption letter disagree with you. I'm definitely one of those lol.

[QUOTE=Killuah;52954243]Tbh I just wanted a clarification from you what you mean when you say "the Palestinians" and your example doesn't work because in that case you would say "The Americans" or "The people of the USA" [editline]7th December 2017[/editline] Ok but you are neither of those and I am pretty sure that professional debates and outlets use other terms that don't give it the sound and notion that your language does.[/QUOTE] Why do you care what word he used? You know what he meant.

[QUOTE=Dan The Man;52954227]It is certainly true that Jordan took that land, but I am talking about before that, and am mainly speaking of the non-West bank territory anyway. The only reason I mentioned the West Bank is because it is the only bit of land still owned by Palestine (in theory) apart from the Gaza strip.[/QUOTE] It was never Palestinian, the British mandate of Palestine doesn't mean there was a country of Palestine

"Palestine" was a regional name, sort of like "Appalachia" in the eastern US or the "Caucuses" between the Black and Caspian seas. Ironically, the term was often used for European Jews before WWII.

Probably gonna be putting state dept employees in harm's way by moving embassy to Jerusalem. I feel like it will become a bigger target by terrorist groups

[QUOTE=sgman91;52954388]"Palestine" was a regional name, sort of like "Appalachia" in the eastern US or the "Caucuses" between the Black and Caspian seas. Ironically, the term was often used for European Jews before WWII.[/QUOTE] More ironically, it was the name given to the province previously known as Judea by the Roman Empire after they exiled most of the Jews from there.

[QUOTE=ZCaliber;52953922]Wonder how much Israel payed... 'Lobbyed'... The GOP for this one.[/QUOTE] actually the evangelicals pushed for this [URL="https://forward.com/news/israel/389233/evangelicals-led-drive-to-name-jerusalem-as-capital-aipac-stayed-on-sidelin/"]https://forward.com/news/israel/389233/evangelicals-led-drive-to-name-jerusalem-as-capital-aipac-stayed-on-sidelin/[/URL] [QUOTE]The battle over America’s recognition of Jerusalem as Israel’s capital was hardly biblical; no fire was seen or brimstone sniffed. But Christian activists led the charge against the Trump White House, demanding that he fulfill his campaign promises, with Orthodox Jewish groups at their side. Big-tent Jewish Zionists supported the campaign silently, from the sidelines. “It was never a top priority on the Jewish community’s agenda,” said a long-time activist in a Jewish advocacy group who asked not to be identified in order to speak freely about the biggest American-Jewish Israel lobbying group, the American Israel Public Affairs Committee. “Everyone always wanted the embassy to move to Jerusalem, but it never made it to the top three.” These top three lobbying issues usually related to countering Iran’s nuclear ambitions, ensuring U.S. aid to Israel, and curbing Palestinian demands from Washington. [/QUOTE]