Tesla employee writes of poor working conditions, forced overtime, low pay
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[QUOTE=winsanity;51802669][URL="https://gizmodo.com/elon-musk-responds-to-claims-of-low-pay-injuries-and-a-1792190512"]Here's the Gizmodo DM[/URL][/QUOTE]
With the shorts so high against Tesla right now it's pretty common to see sensationalised FUD like in the OP.
[QUOTE=OvB;51802716]People have been cancelling model 3 orders and calling Elon a racist. It actually provoked a Twitter tirade. Definitely worth reading if you look at his replies.
[Media]https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/828291190965551106[/media]
[Media]https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/827925653022453760[/media][/QUOTE]
It really sounds like anyone in Trump's advisory board will be automatically labeled as a Trump supporter with their products getting boycotted.
[QUOTE=Radical_ed;51802674]If it's true then that is a serious problem but this reeks of propaganda[/QUOTE]
Doubt it. I've heard similar stories before.
here's the thing people don't want to talk about, if you had an ear to someone who might ruin the world, would you be one of the people in his ear trying to tell him to save it?
[QUOTE=OmniConsUme;51802633]No wonder Elon Musk went with Donald Trump
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Literally what I wanted to reply with
SpaceX has is the same way, they have a huge quitting rate because Musk has huge demands and is massively disconnected from the average person. I'm glad Tesla and SpaceX are a thing, but Musk really needs a heavy reality check in how he handles his businesses.
[editline]10th February 2017[/editline]
[QUOTE=Tudd;51802778]I have got to say, to see the sudden hate for Elon Musk just to have a positive impact on Trump's administration really shows how uncompromising some leftists are.
You would think being able to influence a White House meeting would be a foot in the door they would want, but I guess they are so ideologue they just think Musk was a hidden Trump Supporter.[/QUOTE]
I don't hate Musk cuz of that, I think it's good he's trying to have a positive impact on the presidency. I don't like him because he treats his workers like fucking garbage. This has been well documented beyond this article. He's even joked about it before.
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[Media]https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/828291190965551106[/media]
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Fucking moronic old fart how can he not even consider the alternative?
I'm slightly mad right now.
[QUOTE=Aldawolf;51802881]SpaceX has is the same way, they have a huge quitting rate because Musk has huge demands and is massively disconnected from the average person. I'm glad Tesla and SpaceX are a thing, but Musk really needs a heavy reality check in how he handles his businesses.
[editline]10th February 2017[/editline]
I don't hate Musk cuz of that, I think it's good he's trying to have a positive impact on the presidency. I don't like him because he treats his workers like fucking garbage. This has been well documented beyond this article. He's even joked about it before.[/QUOTE]
source pls
Here's hoping they get their fair compensation, but...eh, Cost of Living must be fucktarded if they can't make do on $21 an hour. I could support my entire fucking family on that. SOLO. What the fuck is going on in that part of the country where 40,000 a year isn't enough to live on?[QUOTE=Lazore;51802658]If you can choose between a corporate billionaire that cares and one that dont care about the environment, which one would you be rooting for?[/QUOTE]
I'll root for the employer that won't literally work me into the fucking hospital, kthnx. Some rich guy's pipe dream about electric cars and privatized spaceflight ain't worth the breath carrying it if I'm drawing workman's comp and trying to find a way to pay for having my back pieced back together.
[QUOTE=Killer900;51802767]Really? Didn't know you have inner knowledge of how the man's mind works and what the real goal for going to Mars is. Unless you can provide proof of this then it's bunk.
Only thing close to what you're saying is a quote from Musk saying he wants to die on Mars, just not on impact, and even then that's a real stretch.
Ever think that maybe some rich billionaires aren't just in it for their selves and they're actually genuinely altruistic and not just in it for themselves?[/QUOTE]
There's nothing altruistic about Musk and that's from the man's own mouth.
Maybe you should just google National Geographic Marie Claire/ Elon Musk interview cause nothing I've said is "hidden information" or "secret flaws". His ego is as large as his company and he made zero bones about displaying said ego even to people much much smarter than him, and of more consideration, people much [I]wiser[/I] than him. The fact that he realizes fossil fuels are a dead end doesn't make him a saint of any kind, it makes him a realist.
Like again, Tesla is a great thing because electric cars would be amazing to help our climate and environment in general. I think Elon Musk does put money to where he personally thinks he can do good. I just don't think he's an absolutely flawless idle that should be revered without criticism.
More than a couple times when I have passed the Tesla plant there were workers protesting outside. I worked at the Frys down the road and would talk to Tesla employees from time to time. Most were content with the work ethic , but a good amount were not satisfied with conditions.
[QUOTE=-nesto-;51802915]Allegations aren't "well documented"[/QUOTE]
The article cites multiple suits that have been made in the past over Elon Musk's companies. Most people aren't going to file a class action lawsuit if they don't think they can win you know, and there's more in the article citing examples of overworking employees in the article. This isn't a one off suit, this is one of many against his companies all for similar charges.
[QUOTE=TestECull;51802903]Here's hoping they get their fair compensation, but...eh, Cost of Living must be fucktarded if they can't make do on $21 an hour. I could support my entire fucking family on that. SOLO. What the fuck is going on in that part of the country where 40,000 a year isn't enough to live on?
I'll root for the employer that won't literally work me into the fucking hospital, kthnx. Some rich guy's pipe dream about electric cars and privatized spaceflight ain't worth the breath carrying it if I'm drawing workman's comp and trying to find a way to pay for having my back pieced back together.[/QUOTE]
Two words: Bay Area. $25ish is what you need to get a decent one bedroom apartment in any of the major cities.
[editline]9th February 2017[/editline]
My merge
[QUOTE=Aldawolf;51802919]The article cites multiple suits that have been made in the past over Elon Musk's companies. Most people aren't going to file a class action lawsuit if they don't think they can win you know, and there's more in the article citing examples of overworking employees in the article. This isn't a one off suit, this is one of many against his companies all for similar charges.[/QUOTE]
Yes there's lots of lawsuits but they all go nowhere and most of the allegations are never proven, either. As far as i know, at least.
I am quite the fan and advocate for musk, but it wouldn't surprise me if these circumstances are true at Telsa. He has the same reputation in SpaceX of driving/drilling employees. I guess the major difference is that in most of the SpaceX roles they are university certified engineers and adequately certified employees on the assembly lines under ITAR certification.
That said, I am very much a unionist - thanks to my folks, so I believe that there should be reasonable pay for work inside of Tesla.
[QUOTE=Aldawolf;51802919]Most people aren't going to file a class action lawsuit if they don't think they can win you know[/QUOTE]
You'd be surprised. People are incredibly sue-happy in the US.
But again, they are merely allegations until a court proves wrongdoing.
[QUOTE]Tesla employee writes of low wages, poor morale; company denies claims[/QUOTE]
Think about it: If low wages and poor morale would be true, why wouldn't the workers just leave the company?
The hours at Tesla do suck. A lot is expected from every employee, and that is okay for engineers but it's harder to get from people working on a regular manufacturing line. I'm all for them having a union but the allegation of Tesla not ensuring a safe working environment is completely untrue.
I also question the timing. Shorts hitting record high levels and suddenly this.
[editline]10th February 2017[/editline]
[QUOTE=OmniConsUme;51802633]No wonder Elon Musk went with Donald Trump
Source: [URL="https://arstechnica.com/cars/2017/02/tesla-employee-writes-of-low-wages-poor-morale-company-denies-claims/"]Ars Technica[/URL][/QUOTE]
He didn't. He said publicly "he wasn't the right guy," and that it reflects poorly on the US.
[QUOTE=Tudd;51802778]I have got to say, to see the sudden hate for Elon Musk just to have a positive impact on Trump's administration really shows how uncompromising some leftists are.
You would think being able to influence a White House meeting would be a foot in the door they would want, but I guess they are so ideologue they just think Musk was a hidden Trump Supporter.[/QUOTE]
Good thing literally nobody was talking about 'leftists.'
Intelligent people criticize individuals for their actions, you know - sweeping people into a group or label because you don't like them or challenge your views/opinion is a pretty serious character flaw; especially when it's without prompt.
[QUOTE=CarnolfMeatla;51802972]Think about it: If low wages and poor morale would be true, why wouldn't the workers just leave the company?[/QUOTE]
you sound like someone who's never worked for a living or gone hungry based on this post
As my father works in the manufacturing field not automotive, but manufacturing 17-21$ is on the lower end and 25$ is average of someone who has been working in the field around 5-10 years with no college degree, but 25$ in the bay area is pretty low and really depending on how they hire people even 25$ is low a lot of big corporations like that will hire contract for the first year and only actually hire the best of the contract pool after that year, but if they are contract making 25$ that's low most contract manufacturing workers in a big manufacturing setting make anywhere from 30-37.50 on average and if they are actually working for that company and not through a contract agency then 25-30$ is about right. The reason contract workers make more is they do not usually have benefits medical or otherwise and full time employees actually working for the company will have big benefit packages and bonuses throughout the year usually. So if that worker is contract 17-21 he is getting screwed and if he is full time actually working for the company with benefits then he is really getting screwed, not even mentioning how much higher cost of living is there than most places.
[QUOTE=Judas;51802646]I don't see why people think musk is some kind of benevolent hero, he's another corporate billionaire that exploits people to make big bux, he just happens to be more technologically progressive than most[/QUOTE]
Elon already had more money than he could ever personally spend before he invested it all in Tesla and SpaceX. If he was just out to make "the big bux" he wouldn't have bothered with these companies at all. He could've just bought an island or two and sat on his ass for the rest of his life.
[QUOTE=CarnolfMeatla;51802972]Think about it: If low wages and poor morale would be true, why wouldn't the workers just leave the company?[/QUOTE]
They need the job.
Leaving a place of that 'calibre' without a reference to go with it is essentially occupational suicide if that is your specialty.
[QUOTE=Aldawolf;51802904][url]http://www.ibtimes.com/spacex-lawsuit-alleges-elon-musks-rocket-company-forced-hourly-employees-work-clock-2151993[/url]
[url]https://motherboard.vice.com/en_us/article/a-spacex-employee-just-filed-a-class-action-lawsuit-for-unpaid-overtime[/url][/QUOTE]
Lots of people talking shit about him. You said he "even joked about it before", but provided no sources.
Lots of people praising him, but no sources either.
I really want to know him better, maybe I'll read his bio or something. Because the way things currently are, his shorts, etc, this really smells fishy. Too much coincidence.
seeing as how teslas factory is pretty much brand new its not suprising they havent worked the bugs out of it yet.
also 17-21$/hour is not bad for non union to begin with for machinists or other trades but thats where I live which is not SF where everything is stupid unaffordable
[QUOTE=Ithon;51802859]here's the thing people don't want to talk about, if you had an ear to someone who might ruin the world, would yrou be one of the people in his ear trying to tell him to save it?[/QUOTE]
Trump is too untrustworthy. If it were any one else, I would. Just not Trump.
[QUOTE=Doctor Zedacon;51802722]Yeah, I've seen people all over Twitter complain about how Musk is suddenly a horrible person and a disgusting Trump supporter.[/QUOTE]
Complete idiots
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