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[QUOTE=Big Dumb American;41195878]OBDs do not have those capabilities. Where are you getting this information? OBDs (which stands for on-board diagnostics) only measure a vehicle's diagnostics, like emissions, RPMs, electrical systems, and other basic safety information. They're used in vehicle inspections to check for errors. They aren't blackboxes that report whether or not you've been speeding or wearing your seatbelts to police officers. Also, even wireless OBD links require a physical connection to the vehicle they're reporting on; there is not an OBD link that can instantly pull up a vehicle's diagnostics by simply pointing it at the vehicle. I'm not sure where you're getting your information, but I sell and service OBD links, among other systems, on behalf of my state's highway patrol, and nothing we have can do what you're suggesting. A quick Google of "OBD3" only brings up people on forums and blogs postulating about this technology, which as far as I can tell, doesn't actually exist.[/QUOTE] article for OBD II says it can be used to monitor whether a vehicle has been speeding, but for fleet maintenance purposes, not a traffic stop

[QUOTE=trotskygrad;41195957]article for OBD II says it can be used to monitor whether a vehicle has been speeding, but for fleet maintenance purposes, not a traffic stop[/QUOTE] Systems that monitor speeding and whatnot have to be specifically installed, and do not come standard on any vehicles, so far as I'm aware. As you said, they are used for fleet maintenance, or offered by insurance companies as "black boxes" that reward safe driving with reduced insurance rates. However, unless you have installed one yourself (or unless car companies start installing them standard, which seems unlikely), you don't have one, and there is no magic wand at this point in time that a police officer can wave at a parked car and use to determine whether or not the driver had ever forgotten to buckle his seatbelt.

I read one of the articles by a university who managed to take control of brakes, acceleration, gears, etc. through Tire Pressure Sensors, XM Radio, OnStar, and a few other methods. basically, there's absolutely no security on your ECU fortunately, I drive a Jeep and have none of these shenanigans

[QUOTE=trotskygrad;41195957]article for OBD II says it can be used to monitor whether a vehicle has been speeding, but for fleet maintenance purposes, not a traffic stop[/QUOTE] I know some new motorcycles have methods of detecting if you're going too fast for a stock rated tire, revving too high, etcetera for warranty uses. Perhaps it's similar in that it's not specifically meant for police to be able to scan it, but the possibility is there?

[QUOTE=ramirez!;41196088]I know some new motorcycles have methods of detecting if you're going too fast for a stock rated tire, revving too high, etcetera for warranty uses. Perhaps it's similar in that it's not specifically meant for police to be able to scan it, but the possibility is there?[/QUOTE] Not unless the officers are sneaking up to your vehicle on the highway, leaning out the window of their speeding car, popping open your dashboard, connecting to their OBD links to your OBD interface, and matching your speed for long enough for the OBD to report its current RPMs to the machine, but at that point I'd be kind of curious as to why they didn't just use their radar guns.

As a side note, if ECU security really is a problem, why not construct a small Faraday cage or the likes over it? They're usually quite separate from the engine, should be possible if you're really worried about it. [editline]26th June 2013[/editline] [QUOTE=Big Dumb American;41196148]Not unless the officers are sneaking up to your vehicle on the highway, leaning out the window of their speeding car, popping open your dashboard, connecting to their OBD links to your OBD interface, and matching your speed for long enough for the OBD to report its current RPMs to the machine, but at that point I'd be kind of curious as to why they didn't just use their radar guns.[/QUOTE] Damn you. Haha what I meant is I suppose it's possible that there exists some sort of receiver/transmitter that a devious fellow could splice into the wiring, although it would be highly amusing to see the above scenario play out.

Good luck hacking my shit. It's 30 years old, you can't do a fucking thing to it without physically touching the controls.

This doesn't surprise me, Onstar has been known to brick cars if they have been stolen.

Another reason not to buy GM.

[QUOTE=AMD Bulldozer;41192962]Somebody make an Open Source ECU please.[/QUOTE] Already exists a few, although don't expect them to be a drop-in replacement to existing ones. Could also just buy a 80's or older Diesel car. Only electronics they can fiddle with is the radio, the fuel cut-off solenoid and the glowplugs relay. And that's not even remotely accessible. Or a even older car with a carburetor.

can't one just....turn said car off or shift into neutral.... or pull the handbrake and jump out before the brakes explode.... [editline]26th June 2013[/editline] [QUOTE=Van-man;41196704]Already exists a few, although don't expect them to be a drop-in replacement to existing ones. Could also just buy a 80's or older Diesel car. Only electronics they can fiddle with is the radio, the fuel cut-off solenoid and the glowplugs relay. And that's not even remotely accessible. Or a even older car with a carburetor.[/QUOTE] or just buy a low end car with no on-star and jam a potato in the OBD port, course itd make getting e-check'd harder but i hear most states and counties don't even have that these days [editline]26th June 2013[/editline] my saturn ion has no onstar or anything, just the one obd port, which one could just pull the wires out of somewhere along the line and they could load spamware through it all they want if its not hooked up

now I'm going to hear more about someone hacking their cars and arranging "unfortunate accidents" upon innocent people over political bullshit.

This is just like in the fast and furious 6, they knew you can take control of cars [img]http://forums.jetcareers.com/images/smiley/tinfoil.gif[/img]

[QUOTE=AMD Bulldozer;41192962]Somebody make an Open Source ECU please.[/QUOTE] I use this [url]http://romraider.com/[/url]

If anyone could do it then Ford wouldn't charge over $140 for a god damn replacement key

[QUOTE=Big Dumb American;41195878]OBDs do not have those capabilities. Where are you getting this information? OBDs (which stands for on-board diagnostics) only measure a vehicle's diagnostics, like emissions, RPMs, electrical systems, and other basic safety information. They're used in vehicle inspections to check for errors. They aren't blackboxes that report whether or not you've been speeding or wearing your seatbelts to police officers. Also, even wireless OBD links require a physical connection to the vehicle they're reporting on; there is not an OBD link that can instantly pull up a vehicle's diagnostics by simply pointing it at the vehicle. I'm not sure where you're getting your information, but I sell and service OBD links, among other systems, on behalf of my state's highway patrol, and nothing we have can do what you're suggesting. A quick Google of "OBD3" only brings up people on forums and blogs postulating about this technology, which as far as I can tell, doesn't actually exist.[/QUOTE] It's well on its way to existing, but there's not a ton of support for it yet. There are sources out there that describe what I'm talking about. [url]http://lobby.la.psu.edu/_107th/093_OBD_Service_Info/Organizational_Statements/SEMA/SEMA_OBD_frequent_questions.htm[/url]

[QUOTE=Aetna;41198020]It's well on its way to existing, but there's not a ton of support for it yet. There are sources out there that describe what I'm talking about. [url]http://lobby.la.psu.edu/_107th/093_OBD_Service_Info/Organizational_Statements/SEMA/SEMA_OBD_frequent_questions.htm[/url][/QUOTE] There's nothing in that link to corroborate any of the claims you made, though. The only mention of the OBD being used to punish people who have been speeding is under "Legal Issues," in which it basically says, "this won't happen." Every other claim you made is completely unsubstantiated. OBD3 is literally just an upgraded version of the standard OBD system, and its only function is for emissions and safety testing. The only thing that comes remotely close to any of the claims of "privacy invasion" you mentioned is the bit where it says that roadside OBD tests may be administered, and if critical errors are noted the vehicle would be flagged as having failed, and the owner would receive a notice to have an emissions and safety inspection performed. In fact, the OBD3 system, as outlined in that link, is nothing but good news for drivers. It saves you time and money on having to get emissions and safety testing done on cars that aren't reporting any errors, which eliminates at least one step (and fifty bucks) in the unpleasant bureaucratic process of registering and re-licensing your vehicle.

[QUOTE=TheTalon;41197891]If anyone could do it then Ford wouldn't charge over $140 for a god damn replacement key[/QUOTE] Could've just went to a shady keycutting store. the largest part of your bill is for the GENUINE[SUB][B][SUB](R)[/SUB][/B][/SUB] FORD[B][SUP][SUP]TM[/SUP][/SUP][/B] key itself and not the cutting or programming of it.

[QUOTE=Van-man;41198591]Could've just went to a shady keycutting store. the largest part of your bill is for the GENUINE[SUB][B][SUB](R)[/SUB][/B][/SUB] FORD[B][SUP][SUP]TM[/SUP][/SUP][/B] key itself and not the cutting or programming of it.[/QUOTE] It's an electric key specific to the car and they "need" to make three or some bullshit I don't know

This seems really dumb and sensationalist. As far as I can tell the only thing that they demonstrated is that you can bypass the lock on it. [quote]The researchers declined to speculate about the worse situations, such as interfering with a vehicle’s control system to make it crash. [B]However, they noted that their research showed how a next-generation car thief might operate: instead of using today’s so-called smash and grab tactics, the thief might be able to simply dial up a parked car, unlock its doors and turn on the engine, then arrive on the scene and drive off.[/B] [/quote] [QUOTE=Zenreon117;41198744]DARPA on the topic; [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3D6jxBDy8k8[/media][/QUOTE] How many times are you going to post that video, containing only 2 minutes of really vague allusion to the possibility that a car's computer could possibly be hacked? And even then computer controlled tasks like automatic parking are always override by manual controls such as the brakes.

DARPA on the topic; [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3D6jxBDy8k8[/media]

I wish they did. If all cars were networked and remotely controllable, maybe we could finally move to automatically driven cars and much more efficient transportation.

[QUOTE=ThePuska;41198803]I wish they did. If all cars were networked and remotely controllable, maybe we could finally move to automatically driven cars and much more efficient transportation.[/QUOTE] Take the bus.

[QUOTE=codemaster85;41193876]No, antilock breaks are controlled by the cpu to rapidly step on the brakes so much faster than a human to achieve a much higher deceleration. Cars who dont have that just lock up and skid across the road.[/QUOTE] So you think stopping was impossible before ABS was invented? My vehicle doesn't have ABS and it stops fine as long as you know not to slam the pedal to the floor

[img]http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-9yBFRdaswQM/UQN4jvY3K2I/AAAAAAAAIpo/rff7DJDuEwA/s1600/bZmW4x7.jpg[/img] It's the kid! It's Tommy! He's the one!!

If this is true, you'd think car companies would have learnt from Battlestar Galactica not to have all the parts linked to other parts lest they be overridden by a big bad enemy force.

[QUOTE=WaLLy3K;41204158]If this is true, you'd think car companies would have learnt from Battlestar Galactica not to have all the parts linked to other parts lest they be overridden by a big bad enemy force.[/QUOTE] Even if they did it wouldn't stop individual cars from being hacked.

You can force it to slow down by switching into 1st gear and engine braking... Oh wait, America! :v:

This is completely true with newer cars. I worked on a few that had a remote start, and if there is remote start i'm pretty sure there's a way to stop it.

This isn't THAT much of a far out concept.