Protests in Chicago after officer fatally shoots 16-year-old boy
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Somehow I find it difficult to believe that someone high-fived a collegue after just killing someone who pulled a gun on you. If your cops are doing that, you have worse things going on than just racism.
[QUOTE=cody8295;50127919]Are there any objective sources for this? I'd like to see a video before coming to conclusions. Some of you seem too quick to accept the police story even though police lie all the time? Perhaps he never aimed the gun at them? I'm just speculating, I have no knowledge of this case[/QUOTE]
So he has to be aiming it now? What if he was just holding it? This reminds me of how after the cops show that black guy in Canada who charged them with a hammer, a BLM activist said he was armed "only with a hammer" and didn't deserve to be shot.
[QUOTE=Pantz Master;50128233]So he has to be aiming it now? What if he was just holding it? This reminds me of how after the cops show that black guy in Canada who charged them with a hammer, a BLM activist said he was armed "only with a hammer" and didn't deserve to be shot.[/QUOTE]
He has to be aiming it at the officers for the police story to be true, because that's what the police claim. If he simply had a gun, that's not deserving of a death sentence especially considering he was fleeing, allegedly.
Drawing a gun on a cop is grounds for being immediately dropped. You're not to be given the chance to actually aim the thing.
[QUOTE=cody8295;50128238]He has to be aiming it at the officers for the police story to be true, because that's what the police claim. If he simply had a gun, that's not deserving of a death sentence especially considering he was fleeing, allegedly.[/QUOTE]
So you're doubting almost every part of the story?
[QUOTE=Pantz Master;50128233]So he has to be aiming it now? What if he was just holding it? This reminds me of how after the cops show that black guy in Canada who charged them with a hammer, a BLM activist said he was armed "only with a hammer" and didn't deserve to be shot.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Pantz Master;50128259]So you're doubting almost every part of the story?[/QUOTE]
He's just trying to not jump to a conclusion as quick as everyone else. I don't think he's saying that the cops are definitely in the wrong.
[QUOTE=Aztec;50128261]He's just trying to not jump to a conclusion as quick as everyone else. I don't think he's saying that the cops are definitely in the wrong.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=cody8295;50127919]Some of you seem too quick to accept the police story even though police lie all the time?[/QUOTE]
Well he did say that, which sure makes it seem that way. While it would be nice to get the entire story, lotta proof is with the police story. He was a known gang member, had illegal guns, etc.
[QUOTE=BigJoeyLemons;50127145]I'm generally supportive of the whole "stop police brutality" thing, but isn't this case totally different? This time the kid literally pulled a gun on the cops. This whole thing seems pretty counter-productive in terms of solving this whole mess[/QUOTE]
Agreed. It is the duty of Police to keep the vicinity safe. If someone is with the possession of a firearm, they have no choice but to shoot. I would although like to see a video to determine if it was even a lawful determination from the Police.
[QUOTE=Pilot1215;50128277]Well he did say that, which sure makes it seem that way. While it would be nice to get the entire story, lotta proof is with the police story. He was a known gang member, had illegal guns, etc.[/QUOTE]
He didn't say the police were wrong. He said that some people believed the story instantly. None of the things you've stated mean that his story is 100% true, that's all he is saying. Jumping on him for that is nutty.
Why cant the "Protesters" wait until they have clear proof of this being a racially charged shooting? Would it be a safe bet to assume that the riots consist of people who do not truly understand how the world works? That they are only there for self gratification?
[QUOTE=ADSmaster724;50128295]Why cant the "Protesters" wait until they have clear proof of this being a racially charged shooting? Would it be a safe bet to assume that the riots consist of people who do not truly understand how the world works? That they are only there for self gratification?[/QUOTE]
perhaps the protesters still feel the anger from the hundreds of unjustifiable police shooting we've seen these past few years. People who are very emotional won't wait for evidence, they will be proactive. Emotion seems to be on both sides for defending the cops and prosecuting them. This is a really good case for mandatory body cams on cops.
Unpopular opinion incoming: Facebook posts are irrelevant, idk why people even post them in here because it's pretty much shitposting.
A small portions of teens living in cities known for it's high crime rate will most likely post about smoking weed and fantasize about killing other people because they're teenagers and teenagers do stupid shit. This teen was shot because he pulled a gun, not because he was he was posting status about killing niggaz and smoking weed. Facebook updates shouldn't incriminate you for relevant crimes like what some people seem to be implying here.
[QUOTE=ROFLBURGER;50128503]Unpopular opinion incoming: Facebook posts are irrelevant, idk why people even post them in here because it's pretty much shitposting.
A small portions of teens living in cities known for it's high crime rate will most likely post about smoking weed and fantasize about killing other people because they're teenagers and teenagers do stupid shit. [B][U]This teen was shot because he pulled a gun, [/U][/B]not because he was he was posting status about killing niggaz and smoking weed. Facebook updates shouldn't incriminate you for relevant crimes like what some people seem to be implying here.[/QUOTE]
allegedly
[QUOTE=cody8295;50128437]perhaps the protesters still feel the anger from the hundreds of unjustifiable police shooting we've seen these past few years. People who are very emotional won't wait for evidence, they will be proactive. Emotion seems to be on both sides for defending the cops and prosecuting them. This is a really good case for mandatory body cams on cops.[/QUOTE]
Again, these "Protesters" are most likely there because it was a popular thing to do. You know, for Self gratification.
[QUOTE]anger from the hundreds of unjustifiable police shooting [/QUOTE]
Now, I hate to sound like [B]THAT [/B]guy
Most of these protesters couldn't care less about that. If they had cared, they would of rioted when someone who wasn't Black was wrongfully executed by police. This is the #BLM movement going out for blood early, another way to try to validate their cause.
[QUOTE=ADSmaster724;50128565]Again, these "Protesters" are most likely there because it was a popular thing to do. You know, for Self gratification.
Now, I hate to sound like [B]THAT [/B]guy
Most of these protesters couldn't care less about that. If they had cared, they would of rioted when someone who wasn't Black was wrongfully executed by police. This is the #BLM movement going out for blood early, another way to try to validate their cause.[/QUOTE]
Completely speculating everything here. Also the article doesn't mention BLM
Let's be real here, regardless of whether this particular kid did something stupid and died, police violence and incarceration of blacks is a problem, and that's probably why these things erupt so easily. Black people don't trust the police department.
[QUOTE=Aztec;50128607]Completely speculating everything here. Also the article doesn't mention BLM
Let's be real here, regardless of whether this particular kid did something stupid and died, police violence and incarceration of blacks is a problem, and that's probably why these things erupt so easily. Black people don't trust the police department.[/QUOTE]
The #BLM movement has become an umbrella.
In reality, its two snakes eating each other.
Blacks cant trust Police because Police cant trust Blacks. Repeat.
The Black community is in the gutter with Violence, Uneducation, and Poverty.
I dont really like to explain this stuff much further, Simply put, I'd get crucified.
The beginning of this thread has the biggest string of shitposts I've seen in a long time.
[QUOTE=ADSmaster724;50128656]The #BLM movement has become an umbrella.
In reality, its two snakes eating each other.
Blacks cant trust Police because Police cant trust Blacks. Repeat.
The Black community is in the gutter with Violence, Uneducation, and Poverty.
I dont really like to explain this stuff much further, Simply put, I'd get crucified.[/QUOTE]
BLM isn't an umbrella term unless people are saying they are from BLM.
I don't care what the causes are, but simply saying that they are doing it for self gratification and that they should be protesting white people's deaths too is overlooking a real race issue in the US.
It's a two sided story for sure but when you look at some of the places people are being raised without any form of proper education, inside neighborhoods that are trashed and full of drugs and gang violence, it's really no surprise when some kid does something dumb and ends up dead. Not justifying the behavior of pointing guns at cops, but it's more complex than just blaming all the protesters when their anger and frustration is probably rooted deeper than just this particular incident.
There are most certainly people who represent BLM in the protests. Its a pretty big movement.
I can guarantee most people there do not know anything about this story other than what MSM would tell them. They want to be angry. They want other people to blame. They dont really know who to blame otherwise.
[QUOTE=ADSmaster724;50128754]There are most certainly people who represent BLM in the protests. Its a pretty big movement.
I can guarantee most people there do not know anything about this story other than what MSM would tell them. They want to be angry. They want other people to blame. They dont really know who to blame otherwise.[/QUOTE]
You don't really know anything because you are operating under complete speculation.
That's what happens when minority groups feel persecuted by the system. But instead of looking into the relations between black people and police to gain some perspective on the matter people gotta post their borderline racist "dindu nuffin" shitposts.
[QUOTE=Aztec;50128799]You don't really know anything because you are operating under complete speculation.[/QUOTE]
So are they.
[QUOTE=proboardslol;50127963]Why is it that every single protest against young black kids being shot since Trayvon Martin has been a justifiable shooting? Trayvon Martin, Michael Brown, etc., why don't they protest over someone who was ACTUALLY wrongfully killed?[/QUOTE]
Um they do, the problem is exactly that, the wrongful killings are justified by the rightful ones. Every group is going to have its radical protestors that can never be appeased either, I mean we have dozens of green groups, but some legitimately won't be happy until we live in an agrarian society.
I seriously don't know why people freak out about this kind of stuff. What do you honestly expect the police are going to do if you pull a gun on them?
[QUOTE=cody8295;50128512]allegedly[/QUOTE]
So [B]literally[/B] nothing in the source that was reported by the police can be trusted? Why not question everything then? How do we know he was actually in the car that was connected to an earlier shooting? How do we know he jumped out and fled? Everything in the article is "alleged". Where do you draw the line with what you trust and what you don't? What standard is high enough for you? Is nothing police say trustworthy when a black person is involved?
[QUOTE=Pantz Master;50128860]So [B]literally[/B] nothing in the source that was reported by the police can be trusted? Why not question everything then? How do we know he was actually in the car that was connected to an earlier shooting? How do we know he jumped out and fled? Everything in the article is "alleged". Where do you draw the line with what you trust and what you don't? What standard is high enough for you? Is nothing police say trustworthy when a black person is involved?[/QUOTE]
I think keeping things as speculation until a certain length of official inquiry is pretty reasonable. You should always question everything. There is literally no point in speculating on events as if anyone has any real idea what happened.
The article even states the facts aren't entirely clear. I don't really get what is so bad about being an objective observer instead of coming to conclusions that the people involved haven't even settled on yet. I think based on the statements in the article, it seems pretty clear that the kid did something stupid and probably was a direct threat to the police, I just think it's not that unreasonable to question literally everything. It's curious that you even said that.
[QUOTE=Pantz Master;50128860]So [B]literally[/B] nothing in the source that was reported by the police can be trusted? Why not question everything then? How do we know he was actually in the car that was connected to an earlier shooting? How do we know he jumped out and fled? Everything in the article is "alleged". Where do you draw the line with what you trust and what you don't? What standard is high enough for you? Is nothing police say trustworthy when a black person is involved?[/QUOTE]
My general rule of thumb when it comes to alot of controversial topics like these is to not believe anything because if you do then you're automatically excluded from believing the opposite which may be true
[QUOTE=cody8295;50128909]My general rule of thumb when it comes to alot of controversial topics like these is to not believe anything because if you do then you're automatically excluded from believing the opposite which may be true[/QUOTE]
At what point do you start to believe in certain facts then? You never answered my question from before: What standard of proof is high enough for you? Or do you literally choose to "not believe anything" ever?
[QUOTE=Pantz Master;50128944]At what point do you start to believe in certain facts then? You never answered my question from before: What standard of proof is high enough for you? Or do you literally choose to "not believe anything" ever?[/QUOTE]
I tend to accept video as objective evidence given theres no signs of critical editing
To completely remove trust is to further the problem. As said earlier, the World isn't black and white.
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