• Protests in Chicago after officer fatally shoots 16-year-old boy
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[QUOTE=cody8295;50128956]I tend to accept video as objective evidence given theres no signs of critical editing[/QUOTE] So short of video, you take nobody's testimony as proof? You would have had a hard time living not long ago.
[QUOTE=Pantz Master;50128860]So [B]literally[/B] nothing in the source that was reported by the police can be trusted?[/QUOTE] That's right. The officers who were at the scene are biased because they are directly involved in a homicide. They don't get any special privilege that makes their side of the story less skeptical. It's no different from the eyewitness testimony being dismissed and criticized on page 1.
[QUOTE=Pantz Master;50128965]So short of video, you take nobody's testimony as proof? You would have had a hard time living not long ago.[/QUOTE] I would not believe much of what i was told had i lived before the internet. Its common sense to me that there is reality and there is dialog; the latter is mostly exclusive of the former. Facts should be researched and confirmed by yourself frequently if you expect to be in touch with reality. Sorry if this doesmt make much sense I've had a few beers [highlight](User was banned for this post ("PUI" - Craptasket))[/highlight]
[QUOTE=Jim Morrison;50128800]borderline racist "dindu nuffin" shitposts.[/QUOTE] But he didnu nuffin though? He was a good boy, he just liked guns and gangs and sure he pointed a gun at a police officer but he was misunderstood. [highlight](User was banned for this post ("Shitposting" - Big Dumb American))[/highlight] [highlight](User was permabanned for this post ("gimmick" - Orkel))[/highlight]
Who was surprised that a guy who was shot and because of who protests and rioting started is of a black race? Im not trying to be racist or prejudiced, but this happens every fucking time.
[QUOTE=Dark RaveN;50130114]Who was surprised that a guy who was shot and because of who protests and rioting started is of a black race? Im not trying to be racist or prejudiced, but this happens every fucking time.[/QUOTE] This happens almost bi-monthly. A tough guy acts like hes hot shit, gets shot by the police because the officers just want to go home later that night in one piece. MSM latches on to the story like the parasites they are([URL="http://www.cnn.com/2016/04/13/us/chicago-police-shooting-protest/index.html"]look at this shit[/URL]), and Thugs band together to rob and loot. Usually it doesn't seem to get to the robbing and looting though. They usually lose interest, or are dispersed by police.
[QUOTE=ADSmaster724;50130833]This happens almost bi-monthly. A tough guy acts like hes hot shit, gets shot by the police because the officers just want to go home later that night in one piece. MSM latches on to the story like the parasites they are([URL="http://www.cnn.com/2016/04/13/us/chicago-police-shooting-protest/index.html"]look at this shit[/URL]), and Thugs band together to rob and loot. Usually it doesn't seem to get to the robbing and looting though. They usually lose interest, or are dispersed by police.[/QUOTE] Hey guy, don't say thugs. It's racist now, apparently.
Black males under 18 should be exempt to laws.
[QUOTE=The Rifleman;50127087][IMG]https://scontent-ord1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/13006668_10154251472831162_7081924826511365474_n.jpg?oh=e0eb2876151698efb6c8fa42e9876341&oe=57B227D1[/IMG] But he was such a good kid,why didn't they taze him? :([/QUOTE] Regardless of any other details of this story, posing for a picture doesn't mean you should be justifiably killed. Bullshit facebook pictures like this don't say anything about a person that is relevant to them getting killed , as you imply. Only their actions do. All you do is give implications and let people form a moral decision based on that and that is the same dangerous bullshit tabloid press does. Again, What I'm saying is not relevant to the story in general, I just hate it when people encourage others to form an opinion on an important subject based on a single piece of information like a very specific picture that could easily be misleading. As for the actual story: If you point a gun at some cops, getting shot is somewhat of a logical consequence. The High-Fivieng is kinda fucked up but hardly newsworthy.
The picture isn't the justification for the killing, it's evidence that he had a gun to draw on the police.
[QUOTE=Doctor Zedacon;50131720]The picture isn't the justification for the killing, it's evidence that he had a gun to draw on the police.[/QUOTE] And my point is: Its not. Its a PICTURE of a gun. The picture doesn't say whose gun it is, weather its a real gun or not and certainly not if that had anything to do with the story. Hell, even though its sort of plausible in this specific context there is no way of telling what this blurry picture of something shaped like a gun has to do with the fact that he had a gun on the day of the shooting. It is IMPLIED, but only through context and implications are not information. All this leads to is emotional, quick-fire decision making, not forming an opinion based on information or evidence. EVIDENCE would be a picture of him pulling a gun on the cops or, in that case specifically the actual report of the cops saying that he did, THATS the evidence you want, that's the difference But again, I'm not saying he didn't pull a gun on the cops and the shooting wasn't justified. Just that the picture has nothing to to with the question of weather or not it was justified. Anyone can pose with a gun, that doesn't clear up any of the questions you have to ask when later, something like this happens
[QUOTE=Doctor Zedacon;50131720]The picture isn't the justification for the killing, it's evidence that he had a gun to draw on the police.[/QUOTE] Are you for real? It's not evidence of anything other than at one point he took a picture with a gun, and for that matter you don't even know if that's a real gun. Proving that he drew on police is gonna be harder than showing the jury this picture and hoping they follow suit
It's not just the gun in the picture, he has RMG on his neck. It's the ink of a prominent chicago gang. Plus the text with his gun photos says he wants to "kill niggaz" I'm also pretty sure they wouldn't be able to claim he had a gun if there was no gun found on him
[QUOTE=VenomousBeetle;50131912]It's not just the gun in the picture, he has RMG on his neck. It's the ink of a prominent chicago gang. Plus the text with his gun photos says he wants to "kill niggaz" [B]I'm also pretty sure they wouldn't be able to claim he had a gun if there was no gun found on him[/B][/QUOTE] You must not know much about American police if you think they never plant evidence. I'm not doubting this kid had a gun, I'm doubting the details of his death.
Aren't there eyewitnesses that claim they saw them high five each other immediately after it went down? Those same people would've said something if there was an after-shot plant, I'm surprised they didn't even fabricate that they planted. Edit: Did any of those witnesses even deny he had a gun or pointed a gun?
RMG tats, pictures next to spray paint of the same name, posing with guns... all points to increased likelihood that the reported events happened as per police testimony. by no means is it concrete and conclusive evidence that everything happened that way, but you have to be a fool to think that these pictures aren't indicative of anything about the "victim"'s lifestyle. get real
Alright so the kid is a known gang member or at least has gang ties, is/was illegally in possession of a firearm, allegedly pointed it at police and they shot him. You can't prove that the police were 100% in the right, because we only have their word to go on. But, the only eyewitness testimony stated that the officers high-fived after the kid was brought down. When you are in a situation where adrenaline is running high and it's a situation where you and your partner could easily die or be seriously wounded, I dont think you can fault the officers for something as simple as a high five in the heat of the moment. Nobody on scene was denying that the kid had a gun or that he pointed it at the cops, so again, I dont really see the problem.
[QUOTE=proboardslol;50127963]Why is it that every single protest against young black kids being shot since Trayvon Martin has been a justifiable shooting? Trayvon Martin, Michael Brown, etc., why don't they protest over someone who was ACTUALLY wrongfully killed?[/QUOTE] If you really think that [i]every single[/i] protest against young black kids being shot has been justifiable, you're wrong. John Crawford III was shot in a walmart for picking up a BB gun and continuing to shop. Freddie Gray wasn't even shot, he was beaten and thrown in the back of a police van and given a "rough ride" until his spine broke and he went comatose. Walter Scott was literally shot in the back while running away [i]without ever holding a weapon[/i] because he was pulled over for having a break light out. Running away is not justification to shoot, especially when they're unarmed and not a threat to anyone else. Samuel DuBose was shot after attempting to drive away during a routine traffic stop for a missing license plate. Illegal? Yes. Justified? No - the cop was indicted and fired on murder charges. Eric Garner was choked to death for selling loose cigarettes. Akai Gurley was shot in a dark stairwell because a cop saw a dark figure and got nervous. He then called his union before an ambulance. Corey Jones' car broke down and he called his brother for help - a plainsclothes officer walked up to an "abandoned vehicle" and shot him 6 times. Yet his body was found 80-100 feet away from the vehicle, suggesting that he was running away. He had a weapon, but he owned a concealed carry license. The weapon hadn't been fired once when it was found. Anthony Hill was diagnosed with bipolar disorder, and at the time of the shooting he was naked and unarmed. The officers involved were indicted for felony murder. Eric Harris was shot because a 73-year-old reserve deputy mistook his pistol for his taser and shot him on accident. But yeah - every single one is justified! Cops are [i]always[/i] in the right! They had a gun at home, who knows, they might have gone back to grab it while naked and mentally incapacitated and then came back 45 minutes later to shoot the cop, it was a worthwhile risk! BLM has protested each of these deaths, which are very very difficult to misconstrue as "justified."
[QUOTE=cody8295;50131922]You must not know much about American police if you think they never plant evidence. I'm not doubting this kid had a gun, I'm doubting the details of his death.[/QUOTE] From what we can infer about his lifestyle it wouldn't be a stretch to say he had a gun on him. I mean, you're right, nobody really knows, but it's not a massive leap in logic to think that it would be likely he had the gun on him and drew it on the cops. It's also a bit hypocritical to say "I can't be sure if the kid actually had the gun on him" and also infer that police officers plant evidence frequently, I think.
[QUOTE=Protocol7;50132392]From what we can infer about his lifestyle it wouldn't be a stretch to say he had a gun on him. I mean, you're right, nobody really knows, but it's not a massive leap in logic to think that it would be likely he had the gun on him and drew it on the cops. It's also a bit hypocritical to say "I can't be sure if the kid actually had the gun on him" and also infer that police officers plant evidence frequently, I think.[/QUOTE] I wouldn't deny that stupid kids frequently pull guns on cops just as you shouldn't deny that cops frequently plant evidence. The shit happens, but the details of this case are ambiguous
[QUOTE=V12US;50128217]Somehow I find it difficult to believe that someone high-fived a collegue after just killing someone who pulled a gun on you. If your cops are doing that, you have worse things going on than just racism.[/QUOTE]Chicago's police have always had corruption issues. [url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chicago_Police_Department#Homan_Square]Homan Square[/url] is one big example in modern day.
[QUOTE=cody8295;50132669]The shit happens, but the details of this case are ambiguous[/QUOTE] How? Edit: You keep going in circles denying any account of events stating odd neutral statements yet leaning on "lying pigs" Im not even sure by your logic we can prove there were cops or even that any of this happened at all.
[QUOTE=VenomousBeetle;50133459]How? Edit: You keep going in circles denying any account of events stating odd neutral statements yet leaning on "lying pigs" Im not even sure by your logic we can prove there were cops or even that any of this happened at all.[/QUOTE] How are the details ambiguous? Because there's no credible source reporting the details.
[QUOTE=cody8295;50133564]How are the details ambiguous? Because there's no credible source reporting the details.[/QUOTE] What is a credible source to you?
Just another reason why we need body cameras.
[QUOTE=DuCT;50133889]What is a credible source to you?[/QUOTE] He's said video, which article says there is but I didn't watch it. It apparently got pulled out right after the shooting so I'd guess you would be able to tell if he had been climbing fences or not. Edit: Sec, I'll check it out now [editline]14th April 2016[/editline] It's a terrible fucking video I can't make heads or tails of what I'm looking at [editline]14th April 2016[/editline] Even worse you can't hear the audio because the dipshits at the station played the radio transmission of them screaming "On foot hes on foot!" over it
Another nigger dead, and now the ape familys are acting up [IMG]http://vignette3.wikia.nocookie.net/planetoftheapes/images/0/04/1396985361000-01-bt079-0360-v142-le1027.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20140409123841[/IMG] [highlight](User was permabanned for this post (""Another nigger dead, and now the ape familys are acting up" yeah nice post" - postal))[/highlight]
You pull a gun on a cop, you basically forfeit your life then and there. Kid wanted to be tough shit and got killed. It's tragic, sure, but he made his choice. No point protesting over it.
[QUOTE=Eva-1337;50138659]You pull a gun on a cop, you basically forfeit your life then and there. Kid wanted to be tough shit and got killed. It's tragic, sure, but he made his choice. No point protesting over it.[/QUOTE] You pull a gun on [b]anyone[/b] and you are completely accepting the fact that they can and might kill you.
[QUOTE=geel9;50141176]You pull a gun on [b]anyone[/b] and you are completely accepting the fact that they can and might kill you.[/QUOTE] Unless you have that badge, so shiny, that grants extra rights. Oh wait
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