Protests in Chicago after officer fatally shoots 16-year-old boy
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[QUOTE=cody8295;50142472]Unless you have that badge, so shiny, that grants extra rights. Oh wait[/QUOTE]
I genuinely do not understand what you're talking about, I know that you're wanting to be 'objective' and have 'all the facts' which isn't wrong but you're going about this the wrong way arguing for something so completely mindless that no one would allow.
If you're a Police Officer as soon as someone draws a gun they're going to get dropped solely because them drawing a gun means they have the intention of using it. If you allow a man to aim it at the Officer's (or anyone else) before dropping him you now put the Officer's and civillians at a major risk of death or injury, something that shouldn't be allowed.
And I know that you like to make it have objective evidence but you're dismissing all the facts in play. Yes, the kid was a child who in all accounts shouldn't be shot, but a lot of the time social media in terms of Twitter + Facebook + Tumblr and many others are also indicative of how the person acts in real life and other youths that have been shot and killed who were predominantly black also viewed it this way.
You're generalizing a police force and putting them as a straw man because of what you think a minority of cops do. You're thinking that these Officers wanted to shoot a black person and you're going to an unbelievable and outrageous stance so that you can remain in favour of the criminal shot, even going so far to claim that these Officers whom, high five after actually surviving an attack, are celebrating the death of someone instead of actually making a spur of the moment decision because they're alive.
I know that there exists racist cops. I know that these cases draw attention and there's a disproportionate amount of blacks in jail and in crime. But not every incident, sorry as it may be because the loss of life, is going to done by racist cops and although I agree on being impartial which is what you are, you're being very unfair in your assessment and your bias is showing to be against a Police Force because of the problematic ouroboros.
EDIT: Insults aren't really that nice or warranted, apologies.
[QUOTE=geel9;50141176]You pull a gun on [b]anyone[/b] and you are completely accepting the fact that they can and might kill you.[/QUOTE]
Yeah... but nobody gets up in arms when a member of the black community shoots another, only when the police do, so your point is moot.
Why is BLM protesting over black rights but completely ignores black people killing each other? They only come out when a white person or a cop is involved.
[QUOTE=Keyblockor1;50142624]I genuinely do not understand what you're talking about, I know that you're wanting to be 'objective' and have 'all the facts' which isn't wrong but you're going about this the wrong way arguing for something so completely mindless that no one would allow.
If you're a Police Officer as soon as someone draws a gun they're going to get dropped solely because them drawing a gun means they have the intention of using it. If you allow a man to aim it at the Officer's (or anyone else) before dropping him you now put the Officer's and civillians at a major risk of death or injury, something that shouldn't be allowed.
And I know that you like to make it have objective evidence but you're dismissing all the facts in play. Yes, the kid was a child who in all accounts shouldn't be shot, but a lot of the time social media in terms of Twitter + Facebook + Tumblr and many others are also indicative of how the person acts in real life and other youths that have been shot and killed who were predominantly black also viewed it this way.
You're generalizing a police force and putting them as a straw man because of what you think a minority of cops do. You're thinking that these Officers wanted to shoot a black person and you're going to an unbelievable and outrageous stance so that you can remain in favour of the criminal shot, even going so far to claim that these Officers whom, high five after actually surviving an attack, are celebrating the death of someone instead of actually making a spur of the moment decision because they're alive.
I know that there exists racist cops. I know that these cases draw attention and there's a disproportionate amount of blacks in jail and in crime. But not every incident, sorry as it may be because the loss of life, is going to done by racist cops and although I agree on being impartial which is what you are, you're being very unfair in your assessment and your bias is showing to be against a Police Force because of the problematic ouroboros.
EDIT: Insults aren't really that nice or warranted, apologies.[/QUOTE]
What i meant to say was that its funny how people will say "well thats what you get for pulling a gun" but when cops pull guns on citizens were expected to be obedient and not defend ourselves
Yes because they are the law and they have a right to pull a gun on you as part of their job to keep the country (or attempt to keep the country) safe. Only a lunatic (or an anarchist) would equate the two.
[QUOTE=cody8295;50143991]What i meant to say was that its funny how people will say "well thats what you get for pulling a gun" but when cops pull guns on citizens were expected to be obedient and not defend ourselves[/QUOTE]
Believe it or not, law enforcement officers do have authority that you and I do not.
[QUOTE=FlashMarsh;50144005]Yes because they are the law and they have a right to pull a gun on you as part of their job to keep the country (or attempt to keep the country) safe. Only a lunatic (or an anarchist) would equate the two.[/QUOTE]
Police officers have no more rights than you or i, its just some people believe they do
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[QUOTE=Apache249;50144106]Believe it or not, law enforcement officers do have authority that you and I do not.[/QUOTE]
Authority does not equate to being held to a lower standard of accountability
[QUOTE=cody8295;50144212]Authority does not equate to being held to a lower standard of accountability[/QUOTE]
Absolutely.
[QUOTE=Apache249;50142626]Yeah... but nobody gets up in arms when a member of the black community shoots another, only when the police do, so your point is moot.[/QUOTE]
What point do you think I was making lmao
[QUOTE=cody8295;50144212]Police officers have no more rights than you or i, its just some people believe they do
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Authority does not equate to being held to a lower standard of accountability[/QUOTE]
Yes they do. They have a right to arrest you, for example.
[QUOTE=FlashMarsh;50144310]Yes they do. They have a right to arrest you, for example.[/QUOTE]
That's not a right, its a privledge. And citizens have been known to put other citizens under arrest, so
[QUOTE=geel9;50144304]What point do you think I was making lmao[/QUOTE]
That there's no difference between a cop pulling a gun on you, and anyone else pulling a gun on you.
[QUOTE=cody8295;50144317]That's not a right, its a privledge. And citizens have been known to put other citizens under arrest, so[/QUOTE]
I literally have no idea what you're talking about. By being an American, you de facto give up certain rights to the state to preserve law and order. The police are used to keep law and order and as such they are allowed to arrest you, and you aren't allowed to arrest them or resist arrest. Though they obviously have limits placed upon their power, they have control which the ordinary citizen does not as a result of their job. Unless you're seriously arguing for an anarchist state, which is stupid, you're just going to have to deal with it.
[QUOTE=FlashMarsh;50144358]I literally have no idea what you're talking about. By being an American, you de facto give up certain rights to the state to preserve law and order. The police are used to keep law and order and as such they are allowed to arrest you, and you aren't allowed to arrest them or resist arrest. Though they obviously have limits placed upon their power, they have control which the ordinary citizen does not as a result of their job. Unless you're seriously arguing for an anarchist state, which is stupid, you're just going to have to deal with it.[/QUOTE]
He's not arguing the facts, he's arguing semantics.
[QUOTE=FlashMarsh;50144358]I literally have no idea what you're talking about. By being an American, you de facto give up certain rights to the state to preserve law and order. The police are used to keep law and order and as such they are allowed to arrest you, and you aren't allowed to arrest them or resist arrest. Though they obviously have limits placed upon their power, they have control which the ordinary citizen does not as a result of their job. Unless you're seriously arguing for an anarchist state, which is stupid, you're just going to have to deal with it.[/QUOTE]
Actually citizens can arrest police and citizens can resist unlawful arrest. I wouldnt expect a brit to understand
[QUOTE=Apache249;50144350]That there's no difference between a cop pulling a gun on you, and anyone else pulling a gun on you.[/QUOTE]
Incorrect!
[QUOTE=geel9;50144438]Incorrect![/QUOTE]
Then I misinterpreted your post. My mistake.
I think the high-fiving is the only problem I see here, that is if the kid really acted so recklessly as to pull out a gun on a cop.
[QUOTE=Bat-shit;50144627]I think the high-fiving is the only problem I see here, that is if the kid really acted so recklessly as to pull out a gun on a cop.[/QUOTE]
I don't see the problem with a high five after properly handling a life-threatening situation.
[QUOTE=Apache249;50144646]I don't see the problem with a high five after properly handling a life-threatening situation.[/QUOTE]
You and your partner end up shooting somebody dead after you felt threatened by their actions, i.e. pulling a gun out of his pants, and then you would high five?
[QUOTE=Bat-shit;50144664]You and your partner end up shooting somebody dead after you felt threatened by their actions, i.e. pulling a gun out of his pants, and then you would high five?[/QUOTE]
Well I can't say whether I would or wouldn't. I wasn't in that situation. They were. And from what I've read [I]so far[/I], I'm not going to condemn their actions.
[QUOTE=Apache249;50144681]Well I can't say whether or would or wouldn't. I wasn't in that situation. They were. And from what I've read [I]so far[/I], I'm not going to condemn their actions.[/QUOTE]
Of course you can. The situation is a dead guy on the street with his hand and gun still stuck in his pants after trying to pull it out on you and your partner.
Would you high five, or would you not? If you say yes, you must always do this, if no, you must never do it, and if someone would initiate a high five in such circumstances, you must decline.
I'm not condemning their actions entirely either. Like killing the kid. Just the high fiving.
[QUOTE=Bat-shit;50144716]Of course you can. The situation is a dead guy on the street with his hand and gun still stuck in his pants after trying to pull it out on you and your partner.
Would you high five, or would you not? If you say yes, you must always do this, if no, you must never do it, and if someone would initiate a high five in such circumstances, you must decline.
I'm not condemning their actions entirely either. Like killing the kid. Just the high fiving.[/QUOTE]
No, I can't. I'm not going to pretend I know how I would react to a traumatic experience which I have never experienced. Describing the scenario further doesn't help.
[QUOTE=Apache249;50144730]No, I can't. I'm not going to pretend I know how I would react to a traumatic experience which I have never experienced. Describing the scenario further doesn't help.[/QUOTE]
As a trained officer of the law..?
[QUOTE=Bat-shit;50144748]As a trained officer of the law..?[/QUOTE]
I don't understand what you're trying to say.
[QUOTE=Apache249;50144772]I don't understand what you're trying to say.[/QUOTE]
Of course you don't.
[QUOTE=Bat-shit;50144821]Of course you don't.[/QUOTE]
Are you trolling me or what? Clarify or I'm moving on.
[QUOTE=Bat-shit;50144716]Would you high five, or would you not? If you say yes, you must always do this, if no, you must never do it, and if someone would initiate a high five in such circumstances, you must decline.
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wow this is the definition of seeing things in black and white
[url]http://abc13.com/news/tow-truck-driver-says-video-proves-unlawful-arrest/1288455/[/url]
^^ This is exactly why I don't trust police reports
[QUOTE]Julian Carmona tells us he was rushing into the parking lot of the Exxon gas station in the 11300 block of Barker Cypress to use the restroom when he came within feet of another truck that was backing out of a parking space.
When he got out, something dropped.
"When I turned around, I see it's my gun. Because I had it in the side of my door. That's where I kept it all day," Carmona says.
And he tells us he put it back in his truck when it fell out.
The man in the other truck was an off-duty Houston police officer. He got out, pointed his gun at Carmona, and ordered him to the ground. The officer cuffed him and called in Harris County deputies to arrest him.[/QUOTE]
There's a video in the source which clearly shows the man never aiming the gun at the officer.
[QUOTE=RzDat;50143628]Why is BLM protesting over black rights but completely ignores black people killing each other? They only come out when a white person or a cop is involved.[/QUOTE]
Because they can't guilt each other by claiming "Racism", so there's nothing political for them to gain by protesting the primary cause of violence against blacks, because the blame would be pointed back at themselves for the way they raise their children, which is due to the way they were raised, etc etc.
Black communities do deserve special attention, but it should be focused firstly on getting them into stable work that allows them to make a living followed by breaking them away from shady hobbies.
Gang related violence is the biggest source of fatal violence in the U.S. and no politician wants to own up to it because any solution that would alleviate gang violence would be seen as "racist" for targeting the ghetto communities where gang violence thrives.
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