Aussie Tycoon Wants to Clone Dinosaurs for His Real Life, Resort-Based Jurassic Park - Polidicks

[QUOTE=shozamar;37052479]I always thought that dinosaurs were adapted to breath the atmosphere of 65 million years ago and that they would just suffocate in the atmosphere of today due to it have the wrong components or something. But I may be utterly wrong, it's just something I've heard from somewhere I can't even remember.[/QUOTE] I think the oxygen rate was much higher back then, which allowed animals to grow bigger. But that's not really the biggest issue. Even Jurassic Park, at least in the books, tackled these problems. In the fiction they actually changed the dinosaur DNA to fit a desired profile. This was supposed to explain why the velociraports are much bigger in JP than they actually were in real life (if I remember correctly). Point is: they'll never be real dinosaurs. They'll always be artificial creations that have to adapt to the current environment.

[QUOTE=purvisdavid1;37052414]It's not dinosaurs, they're gonna take chickens and reactivate old genetic material so they produce arms, snouts with teeth, scales, etc. Still cool. Kinda.[/QUOTE] Now I'm imagining a zoo full of chickens.

[QUOTE=Zillamaster55;37052552]They weren't just the dominant species 65 million years ago, they ruled the planet for almost 220 million years. Humanity is just a smudge compared to the massive reign of the Dinosaurs.[/QUOTE] Living on the planet is not controlling it. Dinosaurs were just living on this planet, we have reached the point where we can affect our entire solar system (minor ways, and requiring enormous effort, but still possible). Big difference.

What if they get into the wild and destabilize the ecosystem? We might have to abandon Australia as dinosaurs take it over, then they become invasive species everywhere else!

[QUOTE=BananaFoam;37053929]What if they get into the wild and destabilize the ecosystem? We might have to abandon Australia as dinosaurs take it over, then they become invasive species everywhere else![/QUOTE] I actually wondered what would happen if these chicken's with ancestral traits were let go in certain areas, like deserts or forests, and how they would impact the ecosystem. Really, they could fuck shit up in the ecosystem but if it's still the size of a chicken, anything from nature could easily kill it. From a coyote to a bear, maybe even birds of prey.

[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-w-58hQ9dLk[/media] Welcome to Jurassic Park.

As an Aussie, I knew from the title that it would be Clive Palmer, dude is on the biggest ego trip of a lifetime the past few years. His team was kicked out of the national league - he just threatens to make his own league. Earlier this year he wanted to build the Titanic II. He's old and probably going to die soon, he's trying to spend the money as fast as possible.

I doubt it's gonna happen, would be awesome to watch but pretty unethical, not by religious terms because I'm an atheist but imagine if something goes wrong, it would destroy complete ecosystems of animals we have now, that actually belong here.

For when the animals in Australia are just not deadly enough.

Why has nobody mentioned Operation Genesis yet? [img]http://images.wikia.com/dino/images/6/62/JURASSICPARK-OPEc2mg.jpg[/img]

[QUOTE=acds;37053511]Living on the planet is not controlling it. Dinosaurs were just living on this planet, we have reached the point where we can affect our entire solar system (minor ways, and requiring enormous effort, but still possible). Big difference.[/QUOTE] Not to go Ian Malcolm on everybody, but no, we are not controlling this planet. In fact, despite all our technology we're still pretty much at Nature's mercy. At any point a natural disaster can come and wipe out huge portions of our population, and any attempt we make to "control" things just make it worse. Remember that hole in the Ozone Layer we accidentally made? What about Hurricane Katrina? Or that Typhoon that pretty much raped Japan and caused all that mess in Fukishima? And that's just a tiny fraction of all the shit Nature's thrown at humanity, that's the tip of the iceberg. To witness events like these and claim that we "control" the planet in any way is simply ignorant.

Hold on to your butts.

[QUOTE=LagMonster!!!!;37055723]For when the animals in Australia are just not deadly enough.[/QUOTE] Thats the best part, it obviously will work just because Australia, australia likes deadly shit. :v:

[QUOTE=Bread_Baron;37055736]Why has nobody mentioned Operation Genesis yet? [img]http://images.wikia.com/dino/images/6/62/JURASSICPARK-OPEc2mg.jpg[/img][/QUOTE] THAT Game right there was the shit My god I remember those countless hours of building a park and then like when dinosaurs would break out you would have to put the park into emergency mode..Or watch as your helpless visitors get eaten alive God I miss that game..

[QUOTE=Pierrewithahat;37052555]If I remember correctly at some point the atmosphere back then was super oxygen rich. As a downside you literally had bugs the size of a car, existing purely so their remains could become liquid nightmare fuel. [editline]2nd August 2012[/editline] Yeah but at least we can use our arms right? :smugdog::pipe:[/QUOTE]You're thinking of the Carboniferous Period, far before the dinosaurs. Reptiles were first developing then. Oxygen content was three times higher than today. By the way, does anyone agree that a Brachiosaurus genetically modified to stay a baby forever would be the world's best pet? Size of a small dog, loads of fun to play with, no danger, damn cute, and you can feed it yard trimmings. Awwww. I want one now.

If Australia needs anything, its definitely not more animals that can kill you.

[QUOTE=NorthernFall;37052989]It's pretty much already at maximum deadliness anyway[/QUOTE] Go out on a bushwalk, come back with a king brown wrapped around your leg, a mouth full of red-back spiders, funnel webs in your shoes, blue ringed octopus on your shoulder and a croc on each arm while being pursued by a great white shark that is tenacious enough to follow you onto land. And then a Tyrannosaurus eats you.

This is going to end in Philosoraptors... Fuck... [editline]3rd August 2012[/editline] [QUOTE=Egon Spengler;37059285]THAT Game right there was the shit My god I remember those countless hours of building a park and then like when dinosaurs would break out you would have to put the park into emergency mode..Or watch as your helpless visitors get eaten alive God I miss that game..[/QUOTE] Who the hell would bother raising the alert?

[QUOTE=soccerskyman;37061050]If Australia needs anything, its definitely not more animals that can kill you.[/QUOTE] They're kind of getting stale actually, this might fresh things up!

[QUOTE=Bread_Baron;37055736]Why has nobody mentioned Operation Genesis yet? [img]http://images.wikia.com/dino/images/6/62/JURASSICPARK-OPEc2mg.jpg[/img][/QUOTE] Best game with Dinosaurs, ever.

My dreams come true, man, my dreams.

The reasons dinosaurs were so huge is because back then there was plenty of oxygen in the air. Now dinosaurs wont be able to be so large.

2 things: 1- Im pretty sure everybody wants to clone dinosaurs, that doesnt mean it will happen. 2- If they do succeed; [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U_39JmygT3w[/media]

[QUOTE=Naaz;37060956]You're thinking of the Carboniferous Period, far before the dinosaurs. Reptiles were first developing then. Oxygen content was three times higher than today. By the way, does anyone agree that a Brachiosaurus genetically modified to stay a baby forever would be the world's best pet? Size of a small dog, loads of fun to play with, no danger, damn cute, and you can feed it yard trimmings. Awwww. I want one now.[/QUOTE] Nah man, I want a pygmy sabre tooth cat, would be the coolest shit ever.

Not gonna work, millions of years ago the oxygen levels were over 30%, if we had a a huge one brought back from time he would probably live for a few hours, acquiring severe brain damage before death It's not a genetic problem either you can't modify them to breathe less oxygen, unless you make them smaller than the originals, so unless they are in a controlled man made atmosphere of their own it's not viable to build a Jurassic park

[QUOTE=Dr Kevorkian;37061411]Go out on a bushwalk, come back with a king brown wrapped around your leg, a mouth full of red-back spiders, funnel webs in your shoes, blue ringed octopus on your shoulder and a croc on each arm while being pursued by a great white shark that is tenacious enough to follow you onto land. And then a Tyrannosaurus eats you.[/QUOTE] If you are a dumb, money-loaded tourist disregard the following message and continue carelessly through the bush. [sp]You forgot drop bears[/sp]

[QUOTE=Bread_Baron;37055736]Why has nobody mentioned Operation Genesis yet? [img]http://images.wikia.com/dino/images/6/62/JURASSICPARK-OPEc2mg.jpg[/img][/QUOTE] This game needs a remake.

[QUOTE=MeMassiveFag;37064818]The reasons dinosaurs were so huge is because back then there was plenty of oxygen in the air. Now dinosaurs wont be able to be so large.[/QUOTE] This isn't true. Dinosaurs were huge because their bodies were built differently from Mammalian bodies. On a Mammal like an Elephant the fore and hind limbs basically hang off the rib cage and spine, this is pretty poor when you look at it from an engineering standpoint, they simply can't grow larger without their bodies collapsing out from under the limbs. It'd be like building a tower with the support columns connecting to the top instead of the bottom. Dinosaurs on the other hand are built in the opposite fashion from Mammals, their bodies attach to their limbs. The forelimbs on Sauropods like Diplodocus for example have this massive shoulder blade which wraps around the rib cage, this on it's own is a very strong anchor point but the joint for the forelimbs is set lower toward the bottom of the animal and has large plates joining together at the chest so the spine and rib cage sits on top of all that. Back at the pelvis it's again built differently, both Dinosaurs and Mammals have a the bone called the sacrum which is more or less a series of fused vertebrae forming a very tough mass of bone which also happens to contain the nerve cluster which moves your legs. On an Elephant the pelvis is again very poorly constructed, the hip joint for the legs is set low on the pelvis far away from the sacrum and the sacrum basically sits on top of the pelvis. Whether 'lizard-hipped' or 'bird-hipped' the idea is the same. On a Dinosaur, the hip joint is set very close to the sacrum, and the pelvis itself is more or less clamped around the sacrum and is a much better way of building a body. The only real limiting factor for the function of Dinosaur legs is how large the muscles could grow before being a burden, muscles are a good example of diminishing return, the larger they get the less efficient they are. All this means Dinosaurs could grow MUCH larger before their skeletal structure failed. Even the giant Paraceratherium couldn't reach the size or weight of your average Sauropod due to the way it's skeleton was put together. The atmosphere during the Mesozoic was different from the Modern day, but oxygen content at around 35% compared to 21% today, not a real deciding factor especially since Dinosaurs were capable of processing air much better than Mammals can. It's one of the reasons why you'll never beat an Emu or an Ostrich in a race, you'll be out of breath with your lungs full of cO2 while they're just warmed up. [QUOTE=DrBreen;37064987]Not gonna work, millions of years ago the oxygen levels were over 30%, if we had a a huge one brought back from time he would probably live for a few hours, acquiring severe brain damage before death It's not a genetic problem either you can't modify them to breathe less oxygen, unless you make them smaller than the originals, so unless they are in a controlled man made atmosphere of their own it's not viable to build a Jurassic park[/QUOTE] Birds have a respiratory system identical to Dinosaurs and they do just fine running on 21% oxygen instead of 35%.

I hope if this does come to be they ban barbasol cans from coming into the park and other facilities

[QUOTE=RR_Raptor65;37065192]This isn't true. Dinosaurs were huge because their bodies were built differently from Mammalian bodies. On a Mammal like an Elephant the fore and hind limbs basically hang off the rib cage and spine, this is pretty poor when you look at it from an engineering standpoint, they simply can't grow larger without their bodies collapsing out from under the limbs. It'd be like building a tower with the support columns connecting to the top instead of the bottom. Dinosaurs on the other hand are built in the opposite fashion from Mammals, their bodies attach to their limbs. The forelimbs on Sauropods like Diplodocus for example have this massive shoulder blade which wraps around the rib cage, this on it's own is a very strong anchor point but the joint for the forelimbs is set lower toward the bottom of the animal and has large plates joining together at the chest so the spine and rib cage sits on top of all that. Back at the pelvis it's again built differently, both Dinosaurs and Mammals have a the bone called the sacrum which is more or less a series of fused vertebrae forming a very tough mass of bone which also happens to contain the nerve cluster which moves your legs. On an Elephant the pelvis is again very poorly constructed, the hip joint for the legs is set low on the pelvis far away from the sacrum and the sacrum basically sits on top of the pelvis. Whether 'lizard-hipped' or 'bird-hipped' the idea is the same. On a Dinosaur, the hip joint is set very close to the sacrum, and the pelvis itself is more or less clamped around the sacrum and is a much better way of building a body. The only real limiting factor for the function of Dinosaur legs is how large the muscles could grow before being a burden, muscles are a good example of diminishing return, the larger they get the less efficient they are. All this means Dinosaurs could grow MUCH larger before their skeletal structure failed. Even the giant Paraceratherium couldn't reach the size or weight of your average Sauropod due to the way it's skeleton was put together. The atmosphere during the Mesozoic was different from the Modern day, but oxygen content at around 35% compared to 21% today, not a real deciding factor especially since Dinosaurs were capable of processing air much better than Mammals can. It's one of the reasons why you'll never beat an Emu or an Ostrich in a race, you'll be out of breath with your lungs full of cO2 while they're just warmed up. Birds have a respiratory system identical to Dinosaurs and they do just fine running on 21% oxygen instead of 35%.[/QUOTE] Well considering birds are small and dinosaurs are fucking huge i think your statement is wrong [editline]3rd August 2012[/editline] The bigger you are, the more oxygen you need