What about the rest of her though? I can't see shit from here. :rolleyes:
[QUOTE=Viper202;21718783]What about the rest of her though? I can't see shit from here. :rolleyes:[/QUOTE]NSFW
[URL]http://sheikyermami.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/04/nice-legs-burqa.jpg[/URL]
[QUOTE=starpluck;21718798]NSFW
[URL]http://sheikyermami.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/04/nice-legs-burqa.jpg[/URL][/QUOTE]
Because she totally couldn't be some porn star dressed up in a burqa.
Wearing a full burqa seems unecessary to me, it'd be more realistic if they were made to keep the face veil but they wore normal clothes alongside it. It seems really difficult to tell what anyone could be carrying when they're wearing clothes that are that huge and baggy.
Why do we even have to debate that this is a horrible law?
That seems like it would be something known by default.
[QUOTE=Valnar;21718869]Why do we even have to debate that this is a horrible law?
That seems like it would be something known by default.[/QUOTE]
You'd think so but apparently not
[QUOTE=ThePunisher1;21718291]If you want to wear your Burqa and practice sharia law then go back to whatever country you came from, stop trying to force your hardcore Islam crap in other countries that would usually be fairly tolerant of you.[/QUOTE]
I suppose wearing a burqa counts as "forcing your hardcore Islam crap" on people? And making a wardrobe choice you disagree with that doesn't affect you in any way is grounds to ban it?
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[QUOTE=Perfumly;21718366]"Wearing a burqa is forcing your 'hardcore islam crap' on other people"
- ThePunisher1, 2010[/QUOTE]
Bollocks.
It's more like ninja phobia how can i be sure thats it's a ninja? And not oppressed women that walk down the street?
If it's a niqab i can see their face and say... oh she is no ninja since ninjas don't show their face.
[QUOTE=ThePunisher1;21718291]If you want to wear your Burqa and practice sharia law then go back to whatever country you came from, stop trying to force your hardcore Islam crap in other countries that would usually be fairly tolerant of you.[/QUOTE]
How is wearing the clothes of your choice forcing anyone to do anything?
[QUOTE=toxicpiano;21717848]brace for [B]Clinical[/B]Thought[/QUOTE]
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Banning the Burqa violates the Muslim's right to wear it. Although if asked by a police officer or the owner of private property they are on to remove it and show their face they should have to comply, their beliefs do not protect them from the law.
I can't believe how many people here support this. I'll take France as an example since they share the same views as Belgium towards this. Less than 2,000 of the 5,000,000 Muslims there wear full-face veils. That's 0.04% of Muslims and about 0.003% of all of France. This is a tiny minority. The argument that these few people should not wear burqas are these:
1) It is a security threat due to the fact that they are hard to identify.
2) Burqas symbolize oppression due to the fact that women are forced to wear them in other countries under Sharia law.
3) According to a member of French Parliament who led an investigation into the burqa, it is "the tip of an iceberg behind which lurk radical Islamic preachers seeking to impose a fundamentalist and politicized vision of their religion on French Muslims."
In response:
1) Yes, but that is true of any mask or baggy clothing. It is completely impractical to outlaw all masks and clothing capable of concealing weapons. You would effectively have to outlaw clothes.
2) Yes, but that is not the case in France, now is it? Also, there are laws in the works that would make forcing women to wear burqas illegal in France, so don't try arguing that point.
3) You might want to review your logical fallacies, starting with slippery slope and non sequitur.
[url=http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/04/29/AR2010042904504.html?hpid%3Dsec-world](Source)[/url]
[QUOTE=ASmellyOgre;21721366]I can't believe how many people here support this. I'll take France as an example since they share the same views as Belgium towards this. Less than 2,000 of the 5,000,000 Muslims there wear full-face veils. That's 0.04% of Muslims and about 0.003% of all of France. This is a tiny minority. The argument that these few people should not wear burqas are these:
1) It is a security threat due to the fact that they are hard to identify.
2) Burqas symbolize oppression due tothe fact that women are forced to wear them in other countries under Sharia law.
3) According to a member of French Parliament who led an investigation into the burqa, it is "the tip of an iceberg behind which lurk radical Islamic preachers seeking to impose a fundamentalist and politicized vision of their religion on French Muslims."
In response:
1) Yes, but tat is true of any mask or baggy clothing. It is completely impractical to outlaw all masks and clothing capable of concealing weapons. You would effectively have to outlaw clothes.
2) Yes, but that is not the case in France, now is it? Also, there are laws in the works that would make forcing women to wear burqas illegal in France, so don't try arguing that point.
3) You might want to review your logical fallacies, starting with slippery slope and non sequitur.
[url=http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/04/29/AR2010042904504.html?hpid%3Dsec-world](Source)[/url][/QUOTE]
This man has all the points!
ASmellyOgre scores on the rebound
I think people have the right to wear whatever they want unless it harms other people. Even potential threats such as ski masks and trench coats are fine. Suspicious, but fine. Someone forcing someone else to wear something is an infringement of their rights, and so should be against the law, and should not be tolerated.
I say ski masks and other suspicious clothing are fine, because no crime is actually being committed. Brandishing a weapon, robbing a store, or mugging someone are crimes, not wearing a ski mask. As such, the real crime here is forcing Muslim women to wear these articles, not the fact they end up wearing them.
[QUOTE=WPlayer;21718369]And that also brings another problem. Their kids always talk their own language at home and they also speak it under their general youth, which then separates them again from the people.
(There are always exceptions of course but most of the Islamic youth in the Netherlands speaks terrible Dutch and only talks the language where they came from)[/QUOTE]
You're very wrong, I live in The Netherlands myself (Utrecht), and most Morrocan and Turkish people speak Dutch on the street. Ofcourse, sometimes they use their own language, but most of it is Dutch.
Morrocan and Turkish children usually play together, but that doesn't mean that they do not have any Dutch friends. They usually do not grow up in a Dutch culture, but I don't really see it as a big problem.
Those people do not have a terrible Dutch vocabulary, only gramarr problems, because of their parents if they do not speak Dutch correctly. Also a lot of "de, het" problems (no idea what the English word for it is, but it's the same like the German "der, die, das" or the French "le, la", the English language only has "the"), but it's not like big problem.
How do I know? I'm Turkish myself.
[QUOTE=jota de;21717675]If you don't like it, go back to your country.[/QUOTE]
That's a dumb thing to say, so if someone in Belgium was wearing a burqa, because of her husband or religion, she must now return to her own country?
So what? Its their country, let them ban their poor fashion sense.
If lady gaga doesn't wear it, its most certainly shit taste in clothing.
[QUOTE=WPlayer;21717635]If you're wearing something that covers your entire face, you're always a potential threat if you ask me. Also the logic of immigrant muslims is as backwards as shit.
In their original country they're complaining about how the headrag oppresses them and how they want to lose it
Yet here they're forced to ditch it and then they start bitching it shows their religion.
[URL]http://abcnews.go.com/US/story?id=3745402[/URL]
[URL]http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1209006/Jewellers-robbery-Oxfordshire-burka-clad-man--150-000-designer-watches-stolen.html[/URL]
[URL]http://www.france24.com/en/20100210-burqa-robbers-post-office-paris-nicolas-sarkozy-ban-national-identity-france-muslim[/URL][/QUOTE]
No major news stations report regular robberies because they happen so often. Burqa-wearing robberies make up probably .001 percent of all robberies. it's a dumb point.
I can agree with any other points, but cut it out with the "veils hide your face" bullshit.
[QUOTE=WPlayer;21717635]If you're wearing something that covers your entire face, you're always a potential threat if you ask me. Also the logic of immigrant muslims is as backwards as shit.
In their original country they're complaining about how the headrag oppresses them and how they want to lose it
Yet here they're forced to ditch it and then they start bitching it shows their religion.
[url]http://abcnews.go.com/US/story?id=3745402[/url]
[url]http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1209006/Jewellers-robbery-Oxfordshire-burka-clad-man--150-000-designer-watches-stolen.html[/url]
[url]http://www.france24.com/en/20100210-burqa-robbers-post-office-paris-nicolas-sarkozy-ban-national-identity-france-muslim[/url][/QUOTE]
The difference is that they're not required to wear them in Belgium, it's optional for the women. In that sense, they should be allowed to wear them. And the "security" reasons are completely pathetic. Like that guy in the article pointed out, how many crimes are committed with religious face veils?
[QUOTE=WPlayer;21718429]
Being afraid of a different language within my own country.[/QUOTE]
You'd be scared shit less to live in California I see.
[QUOTE=WPlayer;21717635]If you're wearing something that covers your entire face, you're always a potential threat if you ask me. Also the logic of immigrant muslims is as backwards as shit.
In their original country they're complaining about how the headrag oppresses them and how they want to lose it
Yet here they're forced to ditch it and then they start bitching it shows their religion.[/QUOTE]
So you're basically saying Belgium should have the same amount of freedom as the middle east?
I want to know if im talking to a women or a walking 60kg timebomb...
[QUOTE=ToXiCsoldier;21730353]I want to know if im talking to a women or a walking 60kg timebomb...[/QUOTE]
Yeah same here, maybe we should ban jackets and shirts next since they can do the same thing.
[QUOTE=ToXiCsoldier;21730353]I want to know if im talking to a women or a walking 60kg timebomb...[/QUOTE]
Accusing muslims of being timebombs? I bet they get ticked off around you, I know I'd definitely blow my top
Edited my previous post, have a little read.
If a motorcyclist wears his helmet in a bank then he is told to remove it, same principle in my opinion, even if it states that women should lower their gaze and guard their modesty, that does not mean that you have to wear a sack on their head.
Lets ban bras. They cover boobs. That's dangerous. Boobs should always stay uncovered.
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[QUOTE=ToXiCsoldier;21730353]I want to know if im talking to a women or a walking 60kg timebomb...[/QUOTE]
Because suicide attackers put most of the explosives on their face.
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