911 Tapes reveal Treyvon Martin was screaming and crying for help 45 seconds before he was shot - Polidicks

[QUOTE=Broseph_;35215706]Okay the pictures you shown somewhat undermined me since I just assumed it was unfenced yards and not bisected by a public path As for crying? Any evidence he was crying? because from what I hear he was yelling, and the caller said she 'thinks' he was calling for help, but on the tape it's inaudible. As for if I would feel threatened, it depends on the context, and I'm afraid to say in this case because we don't know all the facts. But in any event involving me, I would considering who has used unlawful force against me and is now yelling for help even more of a threat due to the fact I don't know who his 'help' is, since I don't want to wait for his possible back-up to show up to further ruin my day to decide rather or not he should be killed. That and the fact that unlike the asshole in this story I wouldn't be the one taking unilateral actions since I know the laws of my State. [editline]20th March 2012[/editline] I was writing my post before you posted that and didn't see it before I hit the post button. And thinking it over, with the pictures above and rereading the Florida statutes again, yeah this is questionable at best.[/QUOTE]Are you a retard?

The "stand your ground" law may not protect Zimmerman if he fails to prove he was mortally threatened. I think he'll have a hard time establishing that the kid was "threatening his life". Also, the governor of Florida has appointed a special prosecutor to oversee the case.

Jesus gucking Christ and a half, this is seriously one of the coldest things I've ever heard. He was crying for his fucking life, no human being should ever go through that mental pain. And he still fucking died. I wish the worst on this motherfucker.

how can you shoot someone screaming for help

[QUOTE=Vasili;35266223]how can you shoot someone screaming for help[/QUOTE] It's probably pretty easy when you're fucking crazy.

mmm this has been popular as a counter argument against this claim [url]http://www.examiner.com/charleston-conservative-in-charleston-sc/zimmerman-was-on-the-ground-being-punched-when-he-shot-trayvon-martin[/url] wondering what people think: 1. The witness reports that George Zimmerman was on the ground and Trayvon is on top of him punching him. 2. The witness says that George Zimmerman was screaming and yelling for help. 3. Police arrive and find Zimmerman bleeding on his face and the back of his head. He also has had grass stains on his back. All this confirms the story told by Zimmerman and the witness. 4. Police play the 911 tape for Trayvon Martin's father, who tells police that the voice screaming is not the voice of his son.

the last one I can confirm is a lie because the father has said before it is his son. I don't know where news outlets got that information.

[QUOTE=Governor Goblin;35267064]the last one I can confirm is a lie because the father has said before it is his son. I don't know where news outlets got that information.[/QUOTE] From the police officer who said to let Zimmerman go. Sounds like he may have made that up.

[QUOTE=asteroidrules;35267132]From the police officer who said to let Zimmerman go. Sounds like he may have made that up.[/QUOTE] At this point, I wouldn't trust anything the officers in that town say.

[QUOTE=Vasili;35266414]mmm this has been popular as a counter argument against this claim [url]http://www.examiner.com/charleston-conservative-in-charleston-sc/zimmerman-was-on-the-ground-being-punched-when-he-shot-trayvon-martin[/url] wondering what people think: 1. The witness reports that George Zimmerman was on the ground and Trayvon is on top of him punching him. 2. The witness says that George Zimmerman was screaming and yelling for help. 3. Police arrive and find Zimmerman bleeding on his face and the back of his head. He also has had grass stains on his back. All this confirms the story told by Zimmerman and the witness. 4. Police play the 911 tape for Trayvon Martin's father, who tells police that the voice screaming is not the voice of his son.[/QUOTE] 1. Your source is "Charleston Conservative Examiner" Kyle Rogers: 'Kyle is a Conservative activist in South Carolina. He co-organized the 2006 Greenville, SC rally against the Lindsey Graham/Ted Kennedy sponsored amnesty bill. More than 1,000 people attended. The event helped launch the SC Tea Party movement. He has organized numerous other conservative protests and events as well.' He sounds biased. 2. He cites the police officer for the case. You know, the one being accused of being biased and messing up the case. 3. He sources this site: [url]http://cofcc.org/2012/03/total-bloodbath-in-chicago-9-dead-40-wounded/[/url] "Council of Conservative Citizens". Oh yeah, totally not biased. That site automatically brought up a security & reliability warning, but let's ignore that part for now. I checked the site's "statement of principles". [quote](1) We believe the United States is a Christian country. We believe that the United States of America is a Christian country, that its people are a Christian people, and that its government and public leaders at all levels must reflect Christian beliefs and values. We therefore oppose all efforts to deny or weaken the Christian heritage of the United States, including the unconstitutional prohibitions of prayers and other religious expression in schools and other public institutions. (2) We believe the United States is a European country and that Americans are part of the European people. We believe that the United States derives from and is an integral part of European civilization and the European people [B]and that the American people and government should remain European in their composition and character. We therefore oppose the massive immigration of non-European and non-Western peoples into the United States that threatens to transform our nation into a non-European majority in our lifetime.[/B] We believe that illegal immigration must be stopped, if necessary by military force and placing troops on our national borders; that illegal aliens must be returned to their own countries; [B]and that legal immigration must be severely restricted or halted through appropriate changes in our laws and policies. We also oppose all efforts to mix the races of mankind, to promote non-white races over the European-American people through so-called “affirmative action” and similar measures, to destroy or denigrate the European-American heritage, including the heritage of the Southern people, and to force the integration of the races.[/B] ... (5) We believe in States’ Rights, the Right to Keep and Bear Arms, and the Bill of Rights. We believe in states’ rights, as guaranteed by the Ninth and Tenth Amendments to the Constitution; in the individual right to keep and bear arms, as guaranteed by the Second Amendment to the Constitution; and in all the rights and liberties guaranteed by the body of the Constitution and the Bill of Rights. We therefore oppose all efforts by the federal government to dictate to the states and local governments and communities, and we oppose federal efforts to engineer or impose behavior and beliefs on citizens and communities. [B]We oppose “gun control” in all forms and demand that all such legislation and policies be repealed. We also oppose all such legislation as so-called “hate crime” or “bias crime” laws.[/B] Such laws merely penalize thought and expression rather than genuinely criminal action and are a dangerous and frightening step toward government Thought Control. [B]Similarly, we oppose all so-called “politically correct” speech codes and “sensitivity training” in schools, colleges, universities, and businesses[/B] that punish free expression, restrict thought and study, intimidate dissent, and generally demean and diminish human communications and community. We also oppose, as stated, all efforts to deny Americans their rights of religious expression and worship as guaranteed in the First Amendment, as well as efforts to deny rights of assembly and association. ... [B](8) Cultural, national, and racial integrity. We support the cultural and national heritage of the United States and the race and civilization of which it is a part, as well as the expression and celebration of the legitimate subcultures and ethnic and regional identities of our people. We oppose all efforts to discredit, “debunk,” denigrate, ridicule, subvert, or express disrespect for that heritage. We believe public monuments and symbols should reflect the real heritage of our people, and not a politically convenient, inaccurate, insulting, or fictitious heritage[/B] ... (13) Strong and Just Law Enforcement. We believe in the moral and legal responsibility of the individual and therefore that good behavior should be rewarded and bad behavior should be punished. We believe the most effective and most just response to crime is swift, certain, and morally appropriate punishment. [B]We believe in capital punishment for the crimes[/B] of murder, rape, [B]treason, and espionage[/B]. [h2]We oppose the substitution of the pseudo-sciences of psychiatry, sociology, and “rehabilitation” for real justice.[/h2] We believe law enforcement should be mainly a function of local and state government, and we therefore oppose all efforts to establish a national police force or to nationalize law enforcement; we oppose similar efforts to create a global or international police force and to “globalize” law enforcement. We oppose the extradition of law-abiding American citizens to trials before foreign courts under laws to which they have never assented. We oppose all international criminal tribunals and all efforts to diminish national sovereignty through the internationalization of criminal law. While we support and deeply respect all law enforcement officers, we also insist that law enforcement at all levels operate within the law, that law enforcement respect the rights of all citizens, and that spying on and harassment of loyal and law-abiding citizens by law enforcement agencies, by the military services, or by intelligence services at any level of government should be strictly forbidden and severely punished. [/quote] Uh-huh. Yeah. These people are truly trustworthy. Your source's source is a horrible, horrible piece of shit, your source is a horrible piece of shit, and you should feel horrible for citing them.

[b]Edit:[/b] Oh, the dude above did a totally better efforted breakdown. props on that, guy who posted above me. [QUOTE=Vasili;35266414]mmm this has been popular as a counter argument against this claim [url]http://www.examiner.com/charleston-conservative-in-charleston-sc/zimmerman-was-on-the-ground-being-punched-when-he-shot-trayvon-martin[/url] wondering what people think: 1. The witness reports that George Zimmerman was on the ground and Trayvon is on top of him punching him. 2. The witness says that George Zimmerman was screaming and yelling for help. 3. Police arrive and find Zimmerman bleeding on his face and the back of his head. He also has had grass stains on his back. All this confirms the story told by Zimmerman and the witness.[/QUOTE] a. I doubt the veracity of these claims since claim 4 is false and b. even if they are true Martin had every right to beat the shit out of Zimmerman considering Zimmerman was the instigator and Martin fighting Zimmerman would have been self defense. [QUOTE=Vasili;35266414]4. Police play the 911 tape for Trayvon Martin's father, who tells police that the voice screaming is not the voice of his son.[/QUOTE] and this one is blatantly not true considering that on the episode of Anderson on thursday both his parents confirmed that it's their son's voice on the tapes.

[QUOTE=Broseph_;35242698]Hey guys, the title of this thread is now bullshit. [url]http://news.yahoo.com/video/orlandowesh-16122564/sanford-police-speak-out-in-trayvon-martin-case-28640523.html[/url] Treyvon's Father says the voice on the 911 tape isn't his son.[/QUOTE] Compulsively lying only serves to make your argument less believable, y'know. [editline]24th March 2012[/editline] [QUOTE=Solo Wing;35252979]This reminds me of the R. Kelly trial on the Boondocks. Literally the same fucking case here, cept its a murder. This shit is fucking disgusting man. I seriously hope this man gets locked up.[/QUOTE] It's the inverse of the R. Kelly Trial, actually.

[QUOTE=Last or First;35268551] Uh-huh. Yeah. These people are truly trustworthy. Your source's source is a horrible, horrible piece of shit, your source is a horrible piece of shit, and you should feel horrible for citing them.[/QUOTE] calm down