Kanye West Twitter: Rapper asks ‘white publications’ not to comment on black music - Polidicks

[QUOTE=Melnek;49750427]whats edgy about what i said lol that's not how you use that word essential rap listening who the fuck are you kidding the guy is literally an overblown pop artist that got a lot money and notoriety at the start of his career and then decided to stand out from the crowd of "the celebs" by not only crowning himself as the best out there but also making all these really weird "niche" and unintelligible garbage songs, and then proceeded to call that shit art then started a line of clothing that literally crashed and burned because nobody cares about his hipster quasi-"reinventing fashion" attitude that has its roots, again, in his musical career. the dude thinks he's pushing the envelope of hip hop and rap, when in reality he's just making an uninspired mess and then imposes deeper meaning to said mess to appeal to, well, fuck knows who because he went off the deep end a long time ago and if his recent financial crisis is true, then no one should be surprised. stop putting this dude on the same level as actually successful and sane artists like kendrick and killer mike, he's not deep, he's not reinventing anything, he's not pushing boundaries, he's a rich pseudo-artist that went fucking bonkers and is by large irrelevant to the scene.[/QUOTE] Separate the person from the artist, yo. A lot of people in the hip hop community would agree that Kanye's albums are pretty important to the hip hop genre as a whole. After all, he stopped mainstream gangster rap dead on its tracks when he released The College Dropout back in 2004. You can call him an arrogant, egoist, asshole, I don't care, but thinking he's a "overblown pop artist" just because of his celebrity status just makes you bias against his music, assuming its just "overproduced crap for the masses." I mean, look at Late Registration, Graduation, 808s, and MBDTF and see how much praised and influence it had in the rap scene in the 2000s and 2010s. Just dismissing those facts just makes you pretentious as Kanye himself.

[QUOTE=Melnek;49749738]kanye west is garbage and this moronic cult people developed around the dude like he's the second coming of music itself is laughable i thought it was ironic at first but then people started getting really upset when i said he was shit[/QUOTE] Didn't take long for the "kanye is a moron therefore his music is shit" argument to pop up. #9. Dude, you did me proud. [editline]16th February 2016[/editline] [QUOTE=Pvt. Martin;49750584]Probably both. Also white or black, Kanye's music is still shit.[/QUOTE] Wrong. [editline]16th February 2016[/editline] [QUOTE=TCB;49750327]pre-kardashian kanye was good and he's definitely got classics under his belt but his newer stuff doesn't hold up so well in my opinion, at least not comparatively. it's all down to taste, although it's natural for people who aren't exactly fans to be put off by his image and self-presentation. remember how the media did everything they could to portray axl rose as an arrogant asshole (regardless of what might be said, the dude's always been incredibly humble) because of the whole "bad-boy image" thing? kanye seems to go out of his way to generate that same brand of controversy, it just gets hard to tell whether it's a publicity thing or simply just self-obsessed lunacy[/QUOTE] His newer stuff is thematically abstract. Has to be perfect otherwise it can come across as dodgy. And axl rose is definitely a bit of a cunt dude, you can't just regularly turn up 3 hours late to gigs with no explanations then bitch and moan about the poor attitude of fans when they boo you because of it.

i haven't really heard his music but he said some dumb stuff on twitter, i dont get while all these NERDS even like him????!!?!?!?!?!?!?

idk you can debate what you will but to me- anyone that says Yeezus was a good album is an instant indication of a fanboy.

[QUOTE=General J;49751302]idk you can debate what you will but to me- anyone that says Yeezus was a good album is an instant indication of a fanboy.[/QUOTE] wait, hol dup [QUOTE=Eluveitie;49751110]Wrong.[/QUOTE]

People still mentioning about Kanye calling himself a God of hip hop? Like every other rapper does? Are you fools?

[QUOTE=gunguy765;49750607]Separate the person from the artist, yo. A lot of people in the hip hop community would agree that Kanye's albums are pretty important to the hip hop genre as a whole. After all, he stopped mainstream gangster rap dead on its tracks when he released The College Dropout back in 2004. You can call him an arrogant, egoist, asshole, I don't care, but thinking he's a "overblown pop artist" just because of his celebrity status just makes you bias against his music, assuming its just "overproduced crap for the masses." I mean, look at Late Registration, Graduation, 808s, and MBDTF and see how much praised and influence it had in the rap scene in the 2000s and 2010s. Just dismissing those facts just makes you pretentious as Kanye himself.[/QUOTE] ahaha. No. Not even kinda. What killed Gangsta rap was clean and simple fatigue, the same thing that killed Hair Metal. White kids, particularly girls, stopped buying, and started listening to stuff like Simple Plan, Panic at the Disco and Fallout Boy, and the boys went where the girls were, as is pretty much form in popular music. Chamillionaire chronicled the death of gangsta pretty accurately.

[QUOTE=Lone Wolf807;49750556]I don't think there's a definitive BEST Kanye album, I'd say MBDTF has very strong production on it but its a real mixup, [B]each one of his albums past Graduation are distinct in their sounds.[/B][/QUOTE] Oh my god someone else finally gets it.

[QUOTE=Gwoodman;49751639]People still mentioning about Kanye calling himself a God of hip hop? Like every other rapper does? Are you fools?[/QUOTE] Isnt there a diffrence to doing it in a song, and asking billionares for money because they mean they have the solution to everything in their little idea?

[QUOTE=Doom14;49749781]Cheapest litmus test is to swap whatever race/gender/etc and see if it still sounds passable. "Musician asks ‘black publications’ not to comment on white music."[/QUOTE] Normally I love to pull this and laugh at how ridiculous the original is but What's "white music" for black publications to comment on

I'm sorry, but MC Ride and the Death Grips have been far more influential in recent years than this hack ever will be.

[QUOTE=Doom14;49749781]Cheapest litmus test is to swap whatever race/gender/etc and see if it still sounds passable.[/QUOTE] it's also the easiest way to ignore context

[QUOTE=AnonymaPizza;49752487]I'm sorry, but MC Ride and the Death Grips have been far more influential in recent years than this hack ever will be.[/QUOTE] Big lol @ this. You're straight incorrect.

[QUOTE=LegndNikko;49752486]Normally I love to pull this and laugh at how ridiculous the original is but What's "white music" for black publications to comment on[/QUOTE] Is this a "white people have no culture" thing?

[QUOTE=Pvt. Martin;49750584]Probably both. Also white or black, Kanye's music is still shit.[/QUOTE] wrong lmao

[QUOTE=Eric95;49752493]it's also the easiest way to ignore context[/QUOTE] Because I'm sure context justifies racism. Oh wait, is it that privilege+power bullshit again?

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[QUOTE=Takuat;49752556]Is this a "white people have no culture" thing?[/QUOTE] No its a "what's 'white music' for black publications to comment on" thing There are a shit ton of cultures that [I]are[/I] white, see Italian, English, Polish, French, et cetera, but to take I can't think of a culture that you can label as just "white." Black people, in America specifically, [I]do[/I]have a specific set of cultures and experiences. Perhaps the closest I can come to is country music, since that's often about white, American people singing of their lives and experiences.

[QUOTE=Take_Opal;49752553]Big lol @ this. You're straight incorrect.[/QUOTE] [URL="http://consequenceofsound.net/2015/11/david-bowies-new-album-%E2%98%85-was-also-inspired-by-death-grips/"]David Bowie's last album was inspired by Death Grips[/URL] Kanye's only really gotten big by being a massive dick to people. MC Ride doesn't need to spread controversy. he wills it.

[QUOTE=LegndNikko;49752703]No its a "what's 'white music' for black publications to comment on" thing There are a shit ton of cultures that [I]are[/I] white, see Italian, English, Polish, French, et cetera, but to take I can't think of a culture that you can label as just "white." Black people, in America specifically, [I]do[/I]have a specific set of cultures and experiences. Perhaps the closest I can come to is country music, since that's often about white, American people singing of their lives and experiences.[/QUOTE] That's an awful generalization, there's a shit ton of cultures that "are" black, too. Or are you saying that Black Americans have the same culture as the Zulus?

[QUOTE=_Axel;49752724]That's an awful generalization, there's a shit ton of cultures that "are" black, too. Or are you saying that Black Americans have the same culture as the Zulus?[/QUOTE] No, I'm saying that there is a "Black American" culture, while a "White American" culture is a lot more vague and harder to pin down and elaborate upon. I never implied that there is no specific Black culture outside of America, so please don't put words in my mouth.

[QUOTE=LegndNikko;49752749]No, I'm saying that there is a "Black American" culture, while a "White American" culture is a lot more vague and harder to pin down and elaborate upon. I never implied that there is no specific Black culture outside of America, so please don't put words in my mouth.[/QUOTE] That still sounds exaggerated IMO, putting gangsta rap, gospel and jazz in the same basket sounds a bit weird to me.

Black American culture is varied too. It'll be massively different here in the South compared to that in the Pacific North-West.

[QUOTE=_Axel;49752768]That still sounds exaggerated IMO, putting gangsta rap, gospel and jazz in the same basket sounds a bit weird to me.[/QUOTE] We're deviating from my original point: what's white music for black publications to comment on?

[QUOTE=LegndNikko;49752782]We're deviating from my original point: what's white music for black publications to comment on?[/QUOTE] Well, if we go by the same criteria you use for black music, any music that is predominantly performed by white artists I guess?

[QUOTE=LegndNikko;49752782]We're deviating from my original point: what's white music for black publications to comment on?[/QUOTE] What is black music for white publications to comment on? Is it individual musical productions created by black artists, and therefore rap created by a white guy does not count as black music, but a classical style piece produced by a black guy would count as black music? Is it music genres predominantly produced by black artists, so even rap created by a white guy would count? Well then we could go in to rock, metal, pop. Ohh, but I've had this argument before. "Rock/Metal/Pop all derive from black music, Jazz created Rock!" Well then are those genres ALL black music as well, and therefore white publications should not comment on virtually any music whatsoever?

[QUOTE=_Axel;49752791]Well, if we go by the same criteria you use for black music, any music that is predominantly performed by white artists I guess?[/QUOTE] "Black music" isn't just black people singing. It's music [I]about[/I] black people. That, and most music that's predominantly performed by white artists stemmed from gospel, jazz, rock'n'roll, etc, which all come from black American culture.

I think the popularity is gnawing his brains out and now he's trying to antagonize as much people as he can. He should invest in a psychologist or something.

[QUOTE=Doctor Zedacon;49752841]What is black music for white publications to comment on? Is it individual musical productions created by black artists, and therefore rap created by a white guy does not count as black music, but a classical style piece produced by a black guy would count as black music? Is it music genres predominantly produced by black artists, so even rap created by a white guy would count? Well then we could go in to rock, metal, pop. Ohh, but I've had this argument before. "Rock/Metal/Pop all derive from black music, Jazz created Rock!" Well then are those genres ALL black music as well, and therefore white publications should not comment on virtually any music whatsoever?[/QUOTE] You're reaching [I]really[/I] far. I didn't say any of those things; you're just combining different points I've already made into each other to come up with arguments I never made.

[QUOTE=LegndNikko;49752845]That, and most music that's predominantly performed by white artists stemmed from gospel, jazz, rock'n'roll, etc, which all come from black American culture.[/QUOTE] Like clockwork. [editline]16th February 2016[/editline] [QUOTE=LegndNikko;49752851]You're reaching [I]really[/I] far. I didn't say any of those things; you're just combining different points I've already made into each other to come up with arguments I never made.[/QUOTE] You didn't say much of anything, so we've got to drag that out of you. I'm just debating it at the same time. Blame your poor arguing for making vague arguments. Not the people trying to work out what you mean.