Kanye West Twitter: Rapper asks ‘white publications’ not to comment on black music - Polidicks

Sounds like he can't take criticism

[QUOTE=LegndNikko;49752845]"Black music" isn't just black people singing. It's music [I]about[/I] black people. That, and most music that's predominantly performed by white artists stemmed from gospel, jazz, rock'n'roll, etc, which all come from black American culture.[/QUOTE] You're making up all those criteria on the go. Black music is music performed predominantly by blacks, or perhaps black singers always talk about black people and never have anything else to talk about? That's nonsense. And yeah, I guess classical music totally comes from African roots. What's your point even, that all music is black music? But then you said black music only talks about black people, so does that mean all music only talks about black people?

[QUOTE=AnonymaPizza;49752710][URL="http://consequenceofsound.net/2015/11/david-bowies-new-album-%E2%98%85-was-also-inspired-by-death-grips/"]David Bowie's last album was inspired by Death Grips[/URL] Kanye's only really gotten big by being a massive dick to people. MC Ride doesn't need to spread controversy. he wills it.[/QUOTE] Hey I like death grips too but you're really stretching it with your claims.

[QUOTE=Doctor Zedacon;49752855]Like clockwork. [editline]16th February 2016[/editline] [B]You didn't say much of anything[/B], so we've got to drag that out of you. I'm just debating it at the same time.[/QUOTE] ???????????? What does that even mean, I've been making plenty of points. And what does "dragging it out of me" mean, you're talking like you're just trying to loop me around to make me look like I'm saying some asinine shit. Everyone here is trying to make equate cultures between white people and black people, when it just isn't possible. There are [I]way[/I] too many differences and different contexts that when you switch "white" and "black" in some scenarios, it just doesn't work. When some black girl on tumblr is saying "White people just need to stop, they have no idea how good they have it, I wish they'd just shut the fuck up," then yes, she's talking out of her ass. When someone says "white people have to make [I]everything[/I] about them, leaving no space for black people, #blacklivesmatter did the right thing at that Sanders rally" or some other dumb shit, then yes, call them out on their dumb prejudice of white people. But trying to simplify all scenarios to be just like that is silly. [editline]16th February 2016[/editline] [QUOTE=_Axel;49752867]You're making up all those criteria on the go. Black music is music performed predominantly by blacks, or [B]perhaps black singers always talk about black people and never have anything else to talk about? [/B]That's nonsense.[/QUOTE] Never said that. [QUOTE=_Axel;49752867][B]And yeah,I guess classical music totally comes from African roots. [/B]What's your point even, that all music is black music? But then you said black music only talks about black people, so does that mean all music only talks about black people?[/QUOTE] No, it doesn't. It's European.

Jesus, it's labeling everything like this black and white that is keeping this bad thing going. Both sides are afraid of losing what they feel is theirs, so they feel the need to exclude the other group, but in reality it's a constant give and take of influence. No one, white or black, lives in a bubble free of influence. Music genres shouldn't have anything to do with race. Sure some genres are rooted in struggles that are more in tune with one groups struggle, or another, but that doesn't allow for exclusivity on the whole genre for the rest of history.

"There can't be 'White music' because white cultures are so different and varied! Black culture is unified!" "No it isn't, its varied and diverse like white culture." "Whatever! There's still no white music!" The one argument you really elaborated on was shot down and you gave it up and just fell back to the vague "There is no white music." Statement which says literally nothing. Though you have now said its music about black people? Well, then wouldn't white music be music about white people? Like, that follows really, really simply, doesn't it?

[QUOTE=AnonymaPizza;49752710][URL="http://consequenceofsound.net/2015/11/david-bowies-new-album-★-was-also-inspired-by-death-grips/"]David Bowie's last album was inspired by Death Grips[/URL] Kanye's only really gotten big by being a massive dick to people. MC Ride doesn't need to spread controversy. he wills it.[/QUOTE] College Dropout is a classic in the books of most rappers in the game and that's way before any of you knew Kanye, you don't know anything lmao And what does David Bowie's inspirations have anything to do with that? If that's your argument, Bowie was inspired by Kendrick Lamar as well, in which Kendrick Lamar is inspired by Kanye West, so there's that [editline]16th February 2016[/editline] Saying Kanye's music isn't good and not one of the most influential in the industry is straight up hate-based ignorance. You don't like the man, that's fine, a lot don't but saying that statement like that is absolutely retarded.

[QUOTE=AnonymaPizza;49752710][URL="http://consequenceofsound.net/2015/11/david-bowies-new-album-%E2%98%85-was-also-inspired-by-death-grips/"]David Bowie's last album was inspired by Death Grips[/URL] Kanye's only really gotten big by being a massive dick to people. MC Ride doesn't need to spread controversy. he wills it.[/QUOTE] HEY EVERYONE THIS GUY HASN'T GENUINELY TRIED LISTENING TO A KANYE ALBUM NOR HAS HE BOTHERED TO READ UP ON THE MASSIVE INFLUENCE HE'S HAD ON THE ENTIRE GENRE OF HIP-HOP. Just so everyone knows this guy is talking out of his ass. Carry on lads. [editline]16th February 2016[/editline] [QUOTE=LegndNikko;49752845]"Black music" isn't just black people singing. It's music [I]about[/I] black people. That, and most music that's predominantly performed by white artists stemmed from gospel, jazz, rock'n'roll, etc, which all come from black American culture.[/QUOTE] rocknroll is very much a white people music type thing. but essentially just an offshoot of blues, which is as black as it comes. i think peopel are forgetting kanye's talking about black music in the context of american history as well. there's plenty of black music he's not including in this rant .

[QUOTE=Eluveitie;49751110] His newer stuff is thematically abstract. Has to be perfect otherwise it can come across as dodgy. And axl rose is definitely a bit of a cunt dude, you can't just regularly turn up 3 hours late to gigs with no explanations then bitch and moan about the poor attitude of fans when they boo you because of it.[/QUOTE] oh yeah no contest there, axl rose is a prick (i only reference him because he happens to be someone i know a huge deal about and there's a degree of parallel) but there's some sorta justification like the fact that it takes a long time to prepare yourself to perform like he does, especially with his vocal technique (which isn't much of an excuse and i'm referring to pre-chinese-democracy-axl of course, current-axl is a mess), but he never declared himself the "greatest artist of all time" and, like kanye, there's an amount of insecurity and other personal conflicts hidden behind the arrogance. my main point is, kanye seems to relish in the press and doesn't seem concerned with the potential reactions people might have to his claims which isn't necessarily a bad trait, i'm not knocking west and certainly respect his discography, i just believe people blow his words way out of proportion (like someone else said, every rapper calls themselves the greatest - [I]snoop[/I]???) when it's really nothing new; superstars are prone to be portrayed as self-centred, some more than others. it's common practice for celebrities of his caliber to antagonize masses, regardless of intentions, and likewise the reactions people give him aren't an unheard phenomenon again, i've got nothing against kanye's music and definitely agree that he's had a strong impact on hip hop during his career, and believe using his persona and public appearance to discredit his work is silly, just like how saying "guns n roses make bad music because axl rose is a cunt" is stupid [sp](and again, i'm only referencing gnr because i happen to be a huge fanboy and realize that there's an interesting parallel, given the similarity in situations and impact on 'counterculture' despite the relentlessly negative portrayal)[/sp] listen to kanye's music and enjoy it and respect who he is as an artist, or dislike how he comes across as a person. the two aren't mutually exclusive. phil anselmo shocking crowds with his "white power" stunts is definitely stupid, but it doesn't instantly discredit all the music of pantera, does it? dre makes no effort to hide his past of beating women, but that doesn't instantly mean the chronic was shit and had no impact, right? and to those saying bowie was ~inspired~ by whoever, bowie has admitted several times that half his career is based on "drawing influence" (his specific word was "stealing", actually) from whatever appears to have widespread appeal or something that simply interests him, so i don't know what significance that has. i absolutely love bowie and obviously recognize the cultural impact he has, but saying "bowie was inspired by [X]" doesn't mean "[X] is hugely influential", it just means he picked up on something that he and others seem to enjoy, usually something quite niche (for example, the claims that his new music videos are "inspired" by the band [I]blackstar lazarus[/I], who are largely unknown) [editline]16th February 2016[/editline] you guys should take this as an opportunity to get yourself on a rapventure and actually explore and become relatively familiar with kanye's music, particularly the stuff that gets praised as game-changing. dislike a person shouldn't be the sole reason you discredit their music.

[QUOTE=The Aussie;49750292]Careful dude, you might cut yourself on that sharp edge of yours. Attempting to deny that Kanye's music isn't actually good is like saying the sky isn't blue. I get that you hate the guy, i don't much him either, but his music is genuinely good. It's essential rap listening. You might not like it, fine, it isn't for everybody, but you're fucking wrong by trying to present him as garbage. Kanye is still one of the most talented rappers in the game, up there with people like Kendrick, Killer Mike, and MF DOOM.[/QUOTE] The sky is blue, and I think Kanye West is garbage music. The fact that I think this way isn't wrong, it's my opinion, like you saying "it's essential rap listening". Fuck no it's not, there's way better artists than Kanye "PLEASE GIVE ME ATTENTION" West.

[QUOTE=purvisdavid1;49753428]The sky is blue, and I think Kanye West is garbage music. The fact that I think this way isn't wrong, it's my opinion, like you saying "it's essential rap listening". Fuck no it's not, there's way better artists than Kanye "PLEASE GIVE ME ATTENTION" West.[/QUOTE] well, it's a pretty naive opinion to be proud about can you name those better hip-hop artists, please

Kanye is undeniably part of the modern hip-hop canon. I would say this alone is enough to qualify him as "essential rap listening".

tell me this is garbage and you're 100% a fool [video=youtube;ji0WV7dcoh0]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ji0WV7dcoh0[/video]

i don't know about aussie but for some people "essential rap listening" can just mean the sorta stuff you ought to listen to if you want to learn more about the genre. as an example, eazy's solo stuff isn't mind-blowing but if you want to consider yourself well-versed in the history of gangsta rap it could definitely be seen as "essential listening"

[QUOTE=TCB;49753486]i don't know about aussie but for some people "essential rap listening" can just mean the sorta stuff you ought to listen to if you want to learn more about the genre. as an example, eazy's solo stuff isn't mind-blowing but if you want to consider yourself well-versed in the history of gangsta rap it could definitely be seen as "essential listening"[/QUOTE] Yeah, it's a scholarly thing.

[QUOTE=Gwoodman;49753479]tell me this is garbage and you're 100% a fool [video=youtube;ji0WV7dcoh0]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ji0WV7dcoh0[/video][/QUOTE] poor argument. linking a song and saying if the person doesn't like it they're a fool is just as dumb as him saying flat out kanye is bad. I mean Im a massive Ye fan but I don't like that song as much as others???

[QUOTE=Gwoodman;49753467]well, it's a pretty naive opinion to be proud about can you name those better hip-hop artists, please[/QUOTE] No, it's an opinion and it's mine. The fact that I have it doesn't make me naive, it makes me an individual with a free range of thought. I don't fucking care for Kanye West or his fanboy following. Hell I'd rather listen to Marshal Mathers, or Snoop Dogg or mother fucking Ice Cube than Kanye West. Again, this is also an opinion, and just because it doesn't match yours, doesn't make me or yourself "naive". It means I'm free to enjoy what I wish, and having people say "NO YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT THE FUCK YOUR TALKING ABOUT" when it comes to people's opinions is fucking annoying to me. Be happy that someone doesn't like what you like. [editline]16th February 2016[/editline] [QUOTE=Eluveitie;49753512]poor argument. linking a song and saying if the person doesn't like it they're a fool is [B]just as dumb as him saying flat out kanye is bad.[/B] I mean Im a massive Ye fan but I don't like that song as much as others???[/QUOTE] No he's terrible, but you all know my opinion and I'm not going to devalue yours.

[QUOTE=Waffle cones.;49753534]"I don't like Kanye's music" is an opinion. "Kanye's music is garbage and undeservedly created a cult of laughable morons" is not.[/QUOTE] Actually those both are still opinions whether you like to believe so or not.

[QUOTE=Gwoodman;49753467]well, it's a pretty naive opinion to be proud about can you name those better hip-hop artists, please[/QUOTE] I find TI to be a much better artist than Kanye. It's my opnion, and it's 100% valid. Kanye does have some good songs like Can't Tell me Nothing, Amazing, and Heartless. However, my opinion is that he's not as great as others.

[QUOTE=Waffle cones.;49753534]"I don't like Kanye's music" is an opinion. "Kanye's music is garbage and undeservedly created a cult of laughable morons" is not.[/QUOTE] However, "Kanye's music created a cult of laughable morons" is a fact.

[QUOTE=purvisdavid1;49753428]The sky is blue, and I think Kanye West is garbage music. The fact that I think this way isn't wrong, it's my opinion, like you saying "it's essential rap listening". Fuck no it's not, there's way better artists than Kanye "PLEASE GIVE ME ATTENTION" West.[/QUOTE] This is plain wrong tho. Here's the thing. You not liking music does not make it garbage. You. Just. Don't. Like. It. This is not a criterion for the music being garbage. Garbage music is gauged by different criteria. Your opinion doesn't factor in on that point. Opinion is opinion, it doesn't make the music good, it doesn't make the music bad from detached viewpoint. Also, now when people start using the phrases ESSENTIAL "GENRE" LISTENING, they generally mean that they listen to hip-hop a lot, they frequent boards dedicated to hip-hop and its scene, and they damn fucking well mean they know what they're talking about in regards to hip-hop. I really don't give a fuck if you think Kanye is bad (which doesn't seem like it based on this post but I'm just explaining that your post is 100% wrong), but every single hip-hop board that I have visited have all agreed that Kanye is definitely a hip-hop essential and that he has had a huge part in shaping the current scene of hip-hop. Of course there's better artists than Kanye out there you moron. No band/artist/musician/whatever is the best. Think of music as a sport. There is always someone that is really good at it. Kanye is one of those people, YOU just happen to not identify with his music, thematically or sonically. THIS DOES NOT MAKE IT BAD. Hell I could argue that no music is bad from a philosophical standpoint, but that's just being pretentious and annoying. Pull your head in. Get a bit of perspective.

[QUOTE=Waffle cones.;49753561]kanye is objectively not garbage tho[/QUOTE] And that is your opinion, and you're free to believe and share it, just again, I still don't believe so and wouldn't consider him as such.

oh wait, i forgot, your post wasnt 100% wrong. The sky is actually blue, nice work lad. [editline]16th February 2016[/editline] [QUOTE=Mr. Scorpio;49753565]However, "Kanye's music created a cult of laughable morons" is a fact.[/QUOTE] No it's not.

[QUOTE=purvisdavid1;49753428]The sky is blue, and I think Kanye West is garbage music. The fact that I think this way isn't wrong, it's my opinion, like you saying "it's essential rap listening". Fuck no it's not, there's way better artists than Kanye "PLEASE GIVE ME ATTENTION" West.[/QUOTE] You state a fact with the sky being blue then state an opinion, with a connotation like that you're attempting to equate your opinion as a fact. Once again, if you think Kanye hasn't had a huge effect on rap you're just trying to put your fingers in your ear and ignore whatever people refute you with, its fine to not like him. The critical acclaim, his hand in massive projects and influence on the style of rap since the end of the ringtone rap era is undeniable, even THEN if you don't think hes made anything noteworthy hes sought out talent like Pusha, Cudd and Big Sean to GOOD that have made waves. Please don't try to tell me you listen to rap, you're completely doing the genre a disservice by saying things like this. Refrain from commenting on things you know nothing about, you won't see me critiquing country artists outside of me saying it isn't my taste not "fuck this is the biggest piece of shit i have ever listened to, how can you call this music." You're doing the equivalent of going into an art museum and saying someones piece of work is a piece of shit.

[QUOTE=Eluveitie;49753574]This is plain wrong tho. Here's the thing. You not liking music does not make it garbage. You. Just. Don't. Like. It. This is not a criterion for the music being garbage. Garbage music is gauged by different criteria. Your opinion doesn't factor in on that point. Opinion is opinion, it doesn't make the music good, it doesn't make the music bad from detached viewpoint. Also, now when people start using the phrases ESSENTIAL "GENRE" LISTENING, they generally mean that they listen to hip-hop a lot, they frequent boards dedicated to hip-hop and its scene, and they damn fucking well mean they know what they're talking about in regards to hip-hop. I really don't give a fuck if you think Kanye is bad (which doesn't seem like it based on this post but I'm just explaining that your post is 100% wrong), but every single hip-hop board that I have visited have all agreed that Kanye is definitely a hip-hop essential and that he has had a huge part in shaping the current scene of hip-hop. Of course there's better artists than Kanye out there you moron. No band/artist/musician/whatever is the best. Think of music as a sport. There is always someone that is really good at it. Kanye is one of those people, YOU just happen to not identify with his music, thematically or sonically. THIS DOES NOT MAKE IT BAD. Hell I could argue that no music is bad from a philosophical standpoint, but that's just being pretentious and annoying. Pull your head in. Get a bit of perspective.[/QUOTE] You're really trying hard to change my opinion for some reason when honestly I don't care, I've had enough of Kanye West in my life and honestly, he doesn't need to broken down like this. It's simply, do you like his music, or not? And that is it, not that fucking wall of text you created, it's simply do you like this, yes or no, and you guys are turning something as simple as that into debate. People can like things for arbitrary reasons and not have to break down every little thing about it to like it. [editline]16th February 2016[/editline] [QUOTE=Lone Wolf807;49753614]You state a fact with the sky being blue then state an opinion, with a connotation like that you're attempting to equate your opinion as a fact.[/QUOTE] Dude I was replying to this. [QUOTE=The Aussie;49750292]Attempting to deny that Kanye's music isn't actually good is like saying the sky isn't blue.[/QUOTE]

Ok that's my fault for missing it then, quoting it would make it a bit more evident.

don't like kanye? don't point your focus towards whatever he's doing. nobody's forcing you to discuss him and "well fuck your points because i don't actually care lol" is arguing for the sake of arguing. don't like his music? don't listen to it. i really don't see what your point is.

But I did :v:

like "had enough of kanye in my life" hahaha he's not making music [I]for you[/I] if you don't like him. how much impact could it possibly have on your life? [editline]16th February 2016[/editline] i don't understand why you'd get into a discussion about someone just to refute it with "well i don't care anyway" when presented with valid counterpoints

[QUOTE=TCB;49753650]don't like kanye? don't point your focus towards whatever he's doing. nobody's forcing you to discuss him and "well fuck your points because i don't actually care lol" is arguing for the sake of arguing. don't like his music? don't listen to it. i really don't see what your point is.[/QUOTE] My point is the people acting all high and mighty for Kanye who think people who don't like his music is some sort of huge dissenting opinion when it's literally taste. And then the way you guys talk about how those peoples opinions are wrong is worrying as well, because you're stating an opinion like it's fact, when all I'm doing is holding steadfast to my opinion and not trying to win anyone over with arguments like "you're a fool" and "you don't know what you're talking about."