• Sony Admits Private PSN Info Has Been Stolen - All Of It
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I feel sorry for Sony but still they kinda had it coming when they declared war against hackers.
[QUOTE=DeEz;29462145]Why they didn't encrypt user information is beyond me. Dumbest mistake in history.[/QUOTE] That is still unknown. [editline]27th April 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=kevlar jens;29462214]I feel sorry for Sony but still they kinda had it coming when they declared war against hackers.[/QUOTE] Declared war? They were just being a normal company with normal policies that became a target for doing such.
Once all the law suits come out this could be the end of sony
[u][b]Hey idiots, people who steal consumer information and resell it on the black market are not the same people who hack consumer electronics in their spare time.[/b][/u]
[QUOTE=Swilly;29461544]'millions' I have yet to see these millions, all I've seen with people using the OtherOS function is hack scripts. I love the homebrew community, but I never saw one for the Playstation. They all seemed to focus on the Wii consoles and such.[/QUOTE] With Sony polishing the banhammer, would you waste time developing a time consuming emulator??
[QUOTE=Kagrenak;29462312][u][b]Hey idiots, people who steal consumer information and resell it on the black market are not the same people who hack consumer electronics in their spare time.[/b][/u][/QUOTE] Hey moron, no shit. Besides, the "hackers who hacked the consumer electronics in their spare time" opened up the door for the people looking to make fast cash.
[QUOTE=itchyflakes;29462343]Hey moron, no shit. Besides, the "hackers who hacked the consumer electronics in their spare time" opened up the door for the people looking to make fast cash.[/QUOTE] [B]I think we're straying from the point, the fact that Sony failed catastrophically to keep either of them out.[/B]
[QUOTE=itchyflakes;29462343]Hey moron, no shit. Besides, the "hackers who hacked the consumer electronics in their spare time" opened up the door for the people looking to make fast cash.[/QUOTE] Oh no, someone published a zero-day exploit that led to bad things later. Because that never happens in the computer secur-- Wait. No, that happens all the time. But companies learn to be security-forward, rather than Sony who sat on their asses while they stored everyone's passwords in unsalted MD5s or something. Also, what evidence are you basing that off of? What does breaking into Sony's consumer databases have to do with restoring OtherOS at all?
[QUOTE=Kagrenak;29462365]Oh no, someone published a zero-day exploit that led to bad things later. Because that never happens in the computer secur-- Wait. No, that happens all the time. But companies learn to be security-forward, rather than Sony who sat on their asses while they stored everyone's passwords in unsalted MD5s or something. Also, what evidence are you basing that off of? What does breaking into Sony's consumer databases have to do with restoring OtherOS at all?[/QUOTE] I'm not arguing about Sony's lack of security. What more evidence do you need? Sure some of these hackers were working to restore OtherOS but you forget they also shared their findings with others with more malicious intents.
[QUOTE=itchyflakes;29462418]I'm not arguing about Sony's lack of security. What more evidence do you need? Sure some of these hackers were working to restore OtherOS but you forget they also shared their findings with others with more malicious intents.[/QUOTE] The fact that a hardware exploit to restore lost functionality is at all fucking related to the breaking into of databases containing consumer information. You seem to have misread my post as accepting that the hardware zero-day led to this break-in. I don't, and unless you can show me evidence otherwise, I will continue not to. Good luck finding a way to link those two things.
all i have to say, "Dumb fuckers"
[QUOTE=itchyflakes;29462343]Hey moron, no shit. Besides, the "hackers who hacked the consumer electronics in their spare time" opened up the door for the people looking to make fast cash.[/QUOTE] The door wasn't locked, only stuck.
[QUOTE=Kagrenak;29462435]The fact that a hardware exploit to restore lost functionality is at all fucking related to the breaking into of databases containing consumer information. You seem to have misread my post as accepting that the hardware zero-day led to this break-in. I don't, and unless you can show me evidence otherwise, I will continue not to. Good luck finding a way to link those two things.[/QUOTE] Except for you know, hacking the PS3 lead to CFW which in turn lead to a CFW that essentially turns a consumer PS3 into a dev console? And from what I've been reading that's how they found their way in. Don't quote me on that though. [editline]27th April 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=Van-man;29462496]The door wasn't locked, only stuck.[/QUOTE] Wasn't stuck either, all that needed to be done was to turn the handle.
Fuck Sake i can't remember which card i signed up to PSN with and i don't want to cancel them all :(
[QUOTE=itchyflakes;29462511]Except for you know, hacking the PS3 lead to CFW which in turn lead to a CFW that essentially turns a consumer PS3 into a dev console? And from what I've been reading that's how they found their way in. Don't quote me on that though. Wasn't stuck either, all that needed to be done was to turn the handle.[/QUOTE] I'd like a source on that info. Plus there's no reason at all for a dev console to even come close to the consumer data, that should be as close to air-gapped as you can get from anything relating to the console side of things.
Man, things look BAD for Sony. But i'm still glad that something like this hasn't really happened to Steam yet. As a wise man once said, "Better you than me, buddy". But still, it sucks for millions of players (and their parents) to have lost all their important info to hackers. It's hackers like these that give the rest of the hackers (the ones that aren't as "malevolant" and klepto) a bad name.
[QUOTE=Kagrenak;29462551]I'd like a source on that info. Plus there's no reason at all for a dev console to even come close to the consumer data, that should be as close to air-gapped as you can get from anything relating to the console side of things.[/QUOTE] Search for info on Rebug in google. You would think so, it seems Sony had crappy security set in place.
[QUOTE=itchyflakes;29462638]Search for info on Rebug in google. You would think so, it seems Sony had crappy security set in place.[/QUOTE] Yeah that gives me a custom firmware for the PS3. You know what I'm talking about and now you're just being a fucking moron. Either show me some sort of causal link between the two or shut the fuck up.
[QUOTE=Kagrenak;29462657]Yeah that gives me a custom firmware for the PS3. You know what I'm talking about and now you're just being a fucking moron. Either show me some sort of causal link between the two or shut the fuck up.[/QUOTE] Are you stupid by any chance?
[QUOTE=itchyflakes;29462687]Are you stupid by any chance?[/QUOTE] No, you're the one who's completely ignoring my request for you to provide even a single fucking shred of evidence for your claim that a custom firmware lead to the break-in of a consumer information database. Should I be concerned about my Gmail account because Cyanogenmod exists? What about if I had a motoblur account because people are breaking the bootloaders?
[QUOTE=Kagrenak;29462365]Oh no, someone published a zero-day exploit that led to bad things later. Because that never happens in the computer secur-- Wait. No, that happens all the time. But companies learn to be security-forward, rather than Sony who sat on their asses while they stored everyone's passwords in unsalted MD5s or something. Also, what evidence are you basing that off of? What does breaking into Sony's consumer databases have to do with restoring OtherOS at all?[/QUOTE] I heard the info was kept plaintext but I don't really trust the guy who told me, he is known for exaggerating
[QUOTE=Kagrenak;29462657]Yeah that gives me a custom firmware for the PS3. You know what I'm talking about and now you're just being a fucking moron. Either show me some sort of causal link between the two or shut the fuck up.[/QUOTE] View proper PS3 CFW hacking forums, there have been many POCs posted that make the theory legitimised. Finding someone who took the steps to document their journey into the PSN's dev network and take screenshots all the way through between the time Rebug released and the 20th isn't a rational belief. [editline]27th April 2011[/editline] And here is the original speculation for the Rebug theory. [url]http://www.reddit.com/r/gaming/comments/gx6o4/im_a_moderator_over_at_psxscenecom_the_real/[/url] (Took me 5 seconds to google it instead of posting about how someone is an uneducated fuck who can't find a link, cool right?)
[QUOTE=Kagrenak;29462709]No, you're the one who's completely ignoring my request for you to provide even a single fucking shred of evidence for your claim that a custom firmware lead to the break-in of a consumer information database. Should I be concerned about my Gmail account because Cyanogenmod exists? What about if I had a motoblur account because people are breaking the bootloaders?[/QUOTE] Here's what I posted: [quote]Except for you know, hacking the PS3 lead to CFW which in turn lead to a CFW that essentially turns a consumer PS3 into a dev console? [b]And from what I've been reading that's how they found their way in. Don't quote me on that though.[/b][/quote] It's what I've been reading, I'm not stating what I say is fact. You seem pretty uptight, you should calm down a bit.
[QUOTE=itchyflakes;29462796]You seem pretty uptight, you should calm down a bit.[/QUOTE] Good idea!
[QUOTE=Tralisk;29462764]View proper PS3 CFW hacking forums, there have been many POCs posted that make the theory legitimised. Finding someone who took the steps to document their journey into the PSN's dev network and take screenshots all the way through between the time Rebug released and the 20th isn't a rational belief. [editline]27th April 2011[/editline] And here is the original speculation for the Rebug theory. [url]http://www.reddit.com/r/gaming/comments/gx6o4/im_a_moderator_over_at_psxscenecom_the_real/[/url] (Took me 5 seconds to google it instead of posting about how someone is an uneducated fuck who can't find a link, cool right?)[/QUOTE] That's not a proof of concept, that's someone saying exactly what itchyflakes is saying here, that someone maybe, could have, possibly, somehow, have done this via exploiting an exploit found with Rebug. Not exactly first-line evidence. [editline]27th April 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=itchyflakes;29462796]Here's what I posted: It's what I've been reading, I'm not stating what I say is fact. You seem pretty uptight, you should calm down a bit.[/QUOTE] Okay, maybe next time, before you go spreading around misinformation about "stuff you've been reading", you should be prepared to either back it up with proper evidence, or back off. sound reasonable? Also: [QUOTE=itchyflakes;29462343]Hey moron, no shit. Besides, the "hackers who hacked the consumer electronics in their spare time" opened up the door for the people looking to make fast cash.[/QUOTE] You did not indeed start of by making wishy-washy statements towards, "Things I've been reading," You started off by making absolute statements without any evidence to back them, and then called me an idiot when I asked you to substantiate your claims in even a minor fashion.
[QUOTE=Kagrenak;29462839]That's not a proof of concept, that's someone saying exactly what itchyflakes is saying here, that someone maybe, could have, possibly, somehow, have done this via exploiting an exploit found with Rebug. Not exactly first-line evidence. [editline]27th April 2011[/editline] Okay, maybe next time, before you go spreading around misinformation about "stuff you've been reading", you should be prepared to either back it up with proper evidence, or back off. sound reasonable?[/QUOTE] [b]KEYWORDS[/b] Theory Speculation At this point nothing is factual as Sony hasn't provided shit for information. These are just rumours.
[QUOTE=Tralisk;29462862]You didn't read my post whatsoever.[/QUOTE] So pretty much your argument is the fact that no one would bother to document a break in or vulnerability? Years and years of computer security history would put that theory to bed rather quickly.
I don't mind, sony can go fuck a duck really.
[QUOTE=Tralisk;29462862][b]KEYWORDS[/b] Theory Speculation At this point nothing is factual as Sony hasn't provided shit for information. These are just rumours.[/QUOTE] Then don't make or defend posts like this and no one will be annoyed with you people: [QUOTE=itchyflakes;29462343]Hey moron, no shit. Besides, the "hackers who hacked the consumer electronics in their spare time" opened up the door for the people looking to make fast cash.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Kagrenak;29462877]So pretty much your argument is the fact that no one would bother to document a break in or vulnerability? Years and years of computer security history would put that theory to bed rather quickly.[/QUOTE] If it were documented and easily replicated, this wouldn't have happened. Sony would've blocked it a long time ago. I'm not an expert on the topic, nor a representative at either party, but I would say that it played out the way it did because of the lack of knowledge in relevance to its existence. [editline]27th April 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=Kagrenak;29462914]Then don't make or defend posts like this and no one will be annoyed with you people:[/QUOTE] He has a valid point [b]if[/b] entry was done using the [b]speculated[/b] way with the CFW.
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