if they're trying to kill you it most certainly is badass
[QUOTE=HybridTheroy;49685441]Leave it to BDA to send someone on a guilt trip for praising something that is obviously badass.[/QUOTE]
i mean someones gotta say it when the article ends like this:
[QUOTE]He grabbed the spoon and prison shanked that son of a bitch in the neck until he was dead.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=HybridTheroy;49685441]Leave it to BDA to send someone on a guilt trip for praising something that is obviously badass.[/QUOTE]
Killing isn't something to be celebrated under any circumstance, no matter how necessary or justified it was.
[QUOTE=Headhumpy;49685492]Killing isn't something to be celebrated under any circumstance, no matter how necessary or justified it was.[/QUOTE]
It's not worthy of praise because he killed someone, it's worthy of praise because he survived a fight to the death due to quick thinking.
[QUOTE=HybridTheroy;49685527]It's not worthy of praise because he killed someone, it's worthy of praise because he survived a fight to the death due to quick thinking.[/QUOTE]
how would you feel if you had an article written about you by people who don't know you for everyone to see praising how "BADASS" you are when you had to do something so messed up that it probably haunts you
it can be extremely trivial to just call it badass. one of the things id call it is a terrible thing for a human being to have to do to another but that's just me
like if you've never been in his situation would you say that to his face?
[QUOTE=Rofl_copter;49685613]how would you feel if you had an article written about you by people who don't know you for everyone to see praising how "BADASS" you are when you had to do something so messed up that it probably haunts you
it can be extremely trivial to just call it badass. one of the things id call it is a terrible thing for a human being to have to do to another but that's just me[/QUOTE]
I think I'd feel better than happening across this thread and seeing stuff like "wow any normal guy would be haunted by this for years i wonder how he sleeps at night"
????
didnt say like "wonder how he sleeps at night god how does he live with himself etc."
it might be badass but maybe you should consider that he probably doesn't want to be reminded of this
[QUOTE=Rofl_copter;49685613]
like if you've never been in his situation would you say that to his face?[/QUOTE]
no, and i wouldn't ask him if he has ptsd or nightmares either, or say how horrible it was. because you can't assume how someone you dont know is affected by a situation
I wouldn't doubt it, a plastic spoon can be broken into shards, and depending on the sharpness of the shard, it'd just be a matter of how much you really want to kill.
As others have stated though, shanking someone is an awful way to take someone, and really brings true the whole, "The prey is not the only victim"
[QUOTE=Rofl_copter;49685639]????
didnt say like "wonder how he sleeps at night god how does he live with himself etc."
it might be badass but maybe you should consider that he probably doesn't want to be reminded of this[/QUOTE]
So right now your main priority is to get offended on some soldier's behalf who is never going to see this thread or probably doesn't even know an article was written about it. Do you think someone commenting on this thread saying it's badass (like most war hero story threads on the internet) is going to somehow magically going to reach and notify this person that people are discussing him on a forum oh the tragedy.
Do you think we're sending the guy emails or something like I don't get your endgame here
[QUOTE=Fr3ddi3;49685284]I've read many war memoirs of WW2 commandos and SAS members who spent their entire careers Shanking German soldiers with a Fairbairn Sykes, most of them said it was the worst thing they ever had to do to another human being and a lot were haunted by the blood curdling cries and gurgling of the people they killed many years after the war had finished. And remember this was with a special dedicated knife, not a spoon.[/QUOTE]
Reminds me of when Peter Jackson was trying to explain to Christopher Lee what noises he should make when he gets stabbed by Wormtongue, and Christopher Lee tells him "Have you any idea what kind of noise happens when somebody’s stabbed in the back? Because I do." Given that in his time in the SOE and LRDP he most likely did that.
[QUOTE=HybridTheroy;49685640]no, and i wouldn't ask him if he has ptsd or nightmares either, or say how horrible it was. because you can't assume how someone you dont know is affected by a situation[/QUOTE]
i wouldnt ask him either of those things either? :I
also generally as long as you're not a psychopath yeah you'll probably be a little negatively affected by it
[QUOTE=HybridTheroy;49685655]So right now your main priority is to get offended on some soldier's behalf who is never going to see this thread or probably doesn't even know an article was written about it. Do you think someone commenting on this thread saying it's badass (like most war hero story threads on the internet) is going to somehow magically going to reach and notify this person that people are discussing him on a forum oh the tragedy.
Do you think we're sending the guy emails or something like I don't get your endgame here[/QUOTE]
no, your trying to defend calling it simply badass, so im replying to you. im not trying to get offended on his behalf as you say, i think its just pretty dickish to say that
so why do you post?
also seems like you think im talking about the forum when i say "reminded of this," im referring to the article itself that's prolly gonna blow up
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you're right on some level, because the feat in itself is pretty badass. i probably am taking it a little too close to heart
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there are more things than just the stuff soldiers do in battle that deserve our attention. they might do some heroic things, we give attention to that, that's great. but what about how the VA and the care they're getting? we talk about how horrible war is but we often gloss over actually doing something about the effects. gives rise to [DEL]mental health issues[/DEL] healthcare in our country as a whole
[QUOTE=RichyZ;49685328]mre spoons are pretty durable but i doubt you could really shank someones throat with them without sharpening the hell out of them beforehand[/QUOTE]
To be quite fair, try punching yourself with a spoon in the hand. Now imagine that done to a throat, in an adrenaline rushed situation.
Nah, seems pretty reasonable.
[QUOTE=Big Dumb American;49685011]I guess you gotta do what you got to do when it comes to survival, but this seems like a pretty grim thing to celebrate or glorify. It will probably haunt him for the rest of his life.[/QUOTE]
I don't think ive fallen under an OIF or OEF AD guy who saw combat, that didn't have a screw lose to a degree.
[QUOTE=Big Dumb American;49685011]I guess you gotta do what you got to do when it comes to survival, but this seems like a pretty grim thing to celebrate or glorify. It will probably haunt him for the rest of his life.[/QUOTE]
Maybe a POG bitch would have nightmares about throating someone with an MRE spoon. Not like he had to kill a kid. I applaud this warrior.
[QUOTE=RayvenQ;49685663]Reminds me of when Peter Jackson was trying to explain to Christopher Lee what noises he should make when he gets stabbed by Wormtongue, and Christopher Lee tells him "Have you any idea what kind of noise happens when somebody’s stabbed in the back? Because I do." Given that in his time in the SOE and LRDP he most likely did that.[/QUOTE]
I'd imagine a loud scream, followed by gurgling, than gasping, since you most likely will violate the pleura cavity.
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[QUOTE=InvaderNouga;49685843]Maybe a POG bitch would have nightmares about throating someone with an MRE spoon. Not like he had to kill a kid. I applaud this warrior.[/QUOTE]
Mental trauma or not.
I still have to agree. Its still pretty metal to stab a man with a spoon to death.
[QUOTE=ScoutKing;49685851]I'd imagine a loud scream, followed by gurgling, than gasping, since you most likely will violate the pleura cavity.
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Mental trauma or not.
I still have to agree. Its still pretty metal to stab a man with a spoon to death.[/QUOTE]
Gave me my moto boner for the day, I only hope that one day I could achieve the same level of badassery but alas I am a POG stuck in this NEC.
[QUOTE=InvaderNouga;49685881] I am a POG stuck in this NEC.[/QUOTE]
shhhh brother. shhhh.
Its okay. I am too.
The best I can hope for is a forward surgical team IA. [sp] which is pretty bad-ass. Hollywood surgery right there son. [/sp]
Until than bro, i can totally hook you up with getting that pesky appendic out.
I'm somewhat worried that there are people in the military who relish the idea of going out there and killing people.
[QUOTE=ScoutKing;49685918]shhhh brother. shhhh.
Its okay. I am too.
The best I can hope for is a forward surgical team IA. [sp] which is pretty bad-ass. Hollywood surgery right there son. [/sp]
Until than bro, i can totally hook you up with getting that pesky appendic out.[/QUOTE]
Shock Trauma Platoons man, you can get deployed to the Role 3 in Kandahar and set up with an STP. Have a few Surg tech buddies who did it. I can only get embedded with Division though so my opportunities are limited.
They were building clearing, which means that, as a ranger, he likely had a primary and secondary firearm. He sees a guy "trying to pull the pin" on a grenade and, instead of lighting him up with a rifle or drawing his secondary, he rushes the guy. Once engaged in hand to hand combat, he then, instead of going for his secondary, which should always be the easiest to access piece of equipment, he goes for his knife. He fails to grab his knife, but instead manages to grab the spoon from his MRE and somehow manages to murder a guy with a plastic spoon.
No. This doesn't even remotely pass the bullshit test.
[QUOTE=Headhumpy;49685925]I'm somewhat worried that there are people in the military who relish the idea of going out there and killing people.[/QUOTE]
1.46 million people in the US military alone, you might be expected to kill if it's ordered
yea, might be a few oddballs in there. is this surprising to you or something?
[QUOTE=GunFox;49685994]They were building clearing, which means that, as a ranger, he likely had a primary and secondary firearm. He sees a guy "trying to pull the pin" on a grenade and, instead of lighting him up with a rifle or drawing his secondary, he rushes the guy. Once engaged in hand to hand combat, he then, instead of going for his secondary, which should always be the easiest to access piece of equipment, he goes for his knife. He fails to grab his knife, but instead manages to grab the spoon from his MRE and somehow manages to murder a guy with a plastic spoon.
No. This doesn't even remotely pass the bullshit test.[/QUOTE]
Its common to put an MRE spoon in your MOLLE webbing on your flak for ease of access.
[QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;49685030]He's an army ranger, not a national guardsmen. No offense to guardsmen but heavy combat is sort of expect from these guys.[/QUOTE]
and that changes nothing about how it will affect him in life
[QUOTE=Rofl_copter;49685998]1.46 million people in the US military alone, you might be expected to kill if it's ordered
yea, might be a few oddballs in there. is this surprising to you or something?[/QUOTE]
The desire to kill the enemy is not an alien concept to combat MOS's though? I mean in the USMC alone the word "kill" is a part of normal vocabulary.
[QUOTE=InvaderNouga;49685945]Shock Trauma Platoons man, you can get deployed to the Role 3 in Kandahar and set up with an STP. Have a few Surg tech buddies who did it. I can only get embedded with Division though so my opportunities are limited.[/QUOTE]
Role 3 would be the dream, but ive asked multiple times, and been shot down.
First one was, there was a long wait of people in our dept that wanted to go play surgery in the sand.
Second was to pick up HM3.
Third When i picked up HM3, i was told, and that there was no way to ask or request it, that BUMED East had to pretty much shit out a billet, aimed directly at us.
I was scrubbing a case with a O5 and she said they deploy the surgeons out like candy, and found it shocking that us STs couldn't even go when we were begging, and suggested calling my detailer and soliciting him. But im unsure if that be over-stepping my boundaries when my NCOIC has honey-dicked me for the last year on this.
I mean i hit the checks, Im an E4, I can do all General surgeries, Most Ortho, ENT, GYN, and C-sections and all empcomapsing emegency/stat cases that fall into that. I can't do spine, or sports ortho, but thats not what you're going to do on IED guys, you're doing Minor ortho (wash out of BKA/AKAs), and hemi-colon/stat laps (General) and ENT for your stat-airway cases.
[QUOTE=Rofl_copter;49685998]1.46 million people in the US military alone, you might be expected to kill if it's ordered
yea, might be a few oddballs in there. is this surprising to you or something?[/QUOTE]
Please re-read my post. Nowhere did I mention the word "surprised" or anything to that effect. I just find it worrying.
That's a ranger for you...
[QUOTE=HybridTheroy;49685441]Leave it to BDA to send someone on a guilt trip for praising something that is obviously badass.[/QUOTE]
Ye, my ability to empathize with people having gone through traumatic experiences is a real buzzkill.
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