[QUOTE=Kill001;49685274]I'm still a bit skeptical that a plastic spoon is able to mortally wound another human being
imean, they're basically these things
[IMG]http://www.mreinfo.com/images/spoons/civilian_spoons_named.jpg[/IMG]
unless he gouged his opponent's eyes out or something[/QUOTE]
A plastic spoon I was using once slipped off of my food and took a good chunk out of my other hand, so I wouldn't immediately write off the fact that you might be able to kill someone with one.
The edge of the spoon is thin enough that it just makes a good cutting edge with enough application of force.
I obviously can't speak for the guy and am personally not in a combat role, but I've met plenty of guys who were okay with killing other people. It isn't as black and white as people make it out to be, it's not like you're either an emotionally wrecked perpetual nightmares oh god what have I done or rip and tear rip and tear huge guts fuck yeah. There's a lot of dudes out there who can coke and joke about the shit they've done. They neither bask in its glory or relive it every night. To them, they were just doing their job, and sometimes cool stuff happened.
For example, a Marine I met a year or so ago when I was waiting to join the military told a story about how he went to kick a door down in Afghanistan, but the bad guy on the other side was an idiot and stood right behind the door with a knife. So he kicked it, slamming it into the guy and making him stab himself in the neck. They just kinda pointed and laughed while the dude bled out. The Marine was okay with it, he was just doing his job and made a dude kill himself in an idiotic way, didn't bother him at night or whatever, fuck it.
A lot of those guys are pretty good at disconnecting themselves from everything. You'll find most people with PTSD get it from watching their friends die and are stricken with guilt. It's pretty rare to come across somebody who is haunted from doing exactly what they trained to do. WW2 and Vietnam were different because a good number of those guys never wanted to go to war, they were drafted and forced to. Everyone nowadays is a volunteer, they know what they're signing up for so the mental impact when they actually have to do it isn't so extreme, they've trained and trained to the point where they are no longer killing a person, they're just neutralizing threats.
I can see someone doing it, but I guess you really can't confirm it. Have heard military friends joking about trying it, guess someone said fuck it and actually tried it.
[QUOTE=MaverickIB;49686942]I obviously can't speak for the guy and am personally not in a combat role, but I've met plenty of guys who were okay with killing other people. It isn't as black and white as people make it out to be, it's not like you're either an emotionally wrecked perpetual nightmares oh god what have I done or rip and tear rip and tear huge guts fuck yeah. There's a lot of dudes out there who can coke and joke about the shit they've done. They neither bask in its glory or relive it every night. To them, they were just doing their job, and sometimes cool stuff happened.
For example, a Marine I met a year or so ago when I was waiting to join the military told a story about how he went to kick a door down in Afghanistan, but the bad guy on the other side was an idiot and stood right behind the door with a knife. So he kicked it, slamming it into the guy and making him stab himself in the neck. They just kinda pointed and laughed while the dude bled out. The Marine was okay with it, he was just doing his job and made a dude kill himself in an idiotic way, didn't bother him at night or whatever, fuck it.
A lot of those guys are pretty good at disconnecting themselves from everything. You'll find most people with PTSD get it from watching their friends die and are stricken with guilt. It's pretty rare to come across somebody who is haunted from doing exactly what they trained to do. WW2 and Vietnam were different because a good number of those guys never wanted to go to war, they were drafted and forced to. Everyone nowadays is a volunteer, they know what they're signing up for so the mental impact when they actually have to do it isn't so extreme, they've trained and trained to the point where they are no longer killing a person, they're just neutralizing threats.[/QUOTE]
Thanks for saying exactly what I wanted. I see a lot of survivors guilt and people feeling responsible for their friends death. I did have a guy who had to shoot a child once but I've also had Marines that were totally at peace with what they've done. There's no way to tell how something will effect each differing person.
[QUOTE=Kill001;49685274]I'm still a bit skeptical that a plastic spoon is able to mortally wound another human being
imean, they're basically these things
[IMG]http://www.mreinfo.com/images/spoons/civilian_spoons_named.jpg[/IMG]
unless he gouged his opponent's eyes out or something[/QUOTE]
the one on the right, actually. if you break one they can be pretty sharp.
[QUOTE=Dark RaveN;49685301]Unless those are the ones used for Army Rangers in deployment, I am doubting that they would allow ranger to deploy with spoons/forks/etc which are not of metal.
If those are the ones in use, then they are probably reinforced plastic and just as well may be durable enough to shank others.[/QUOTE]
that's stupid as hell they're disposable why would they try to build them super strong. one comes in every mre and they're the brown plastic ones
So he was in life or death hand to hand combat on the floor and he found the time to break his spoon into a shank? Sounds pretty dubious to me.
The original source "Grunt Stuff" is shit tier news if you can call it that and basically offers no proof other than "take my word for it"
holy shit is he john wick
I feel like a lot of you have never met any vets lmao, I'm sure this guy brags about this shit to everyone. Our soldiers are from the PlayStation generation, getting a kill with a spoon probably boosted the shit out of his ego, not traumatized him. He's not a draftee, he's a ranger. id bet you anytime anyone asks him if he killed anyone in the war the first thing he'll say is "holy shit yeah I killed a guy with a spoon" and not give the thousand yard stare. I work with a lot of vets, they're not all PTSD-ridden. I've met tons of vets who brag about their kills
[QUOTE=urbanmonkey;49690882]I feel like a lot of you have never met any vets lmao, I'm sure this guy brags about this shit to everyone. Our soldiers are from the PlayStation generation, getting a kill with a spoon probably boosted the shit out of his ego, not traumatized him. He's not a draftee, he's a ranger. id bet you anytime anyone asks him if he killed anyone in the war the first thing he'll say is "holy shit yeah I killed a guy with a spoon" and not give the thousand yard stare. I work with a lot of vets, they're not all PTSD-ridden. I've met tons of vets who brag about their kills[/QUOTE]
yea, people vary though. ive seen guys who have done things like this and act the exact opposite.. you never can tell how people will react. the point is one guys experience doesnt equal someone elses and that ptsd is a very real possibility in the job
[QUOTE=InvaderNouga;49686210]Why do you assume this guy was emotionally traumatized? Not everyone who goes to combat comes back as some broken husk of a human being, does it happen? Yes, but does it happen to EVERYONE? No. There's no indication to say that this guy is emotionally traumatized by fucking some dude up with a spoon.[/QUOTE]
FUCKING THIS
Everyone in the thread saying you have to be a psychopath to not be affected negatively about this. Not every soldier gets truamitized over killing somebody. My grandfather has plenty of war stories and he knew he would end up killing, hes not traumatized and hes not a psychopath, so how do you explaim that?? gonna have to agree with InvaderNouga and Hybrid here
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[QUOTE=Big Dumb American;49686288]What are you doing?
I'm not patronizing or guilt tripping anybody, I'm just saying that this is a fucked up situation that would deeply traumatize most people.[/QUOTE]
Yeah and most people are not specially trained army rangers so i guess you are right
[QUOTE=Arc Nova;49691695]FUCKING THIS
Everyone in the thread saying you have to be a psychopath to not be affected negatively about this. Not every soldier gets truamitized over killing somebody. My grandfather has plenty of war stories and he knew he would end up killing, hes npt traumatized and hes not a psychopath, gonna have to agree with InvaderNouga and Hybrid here[/QUOTE]
holy shit, this is well understood
not the point
[QUOTE=Rofl_copter;49691713]holy shit, this is well understood
not the point[/QUOTE]
Well if you go back to page 1 or 2 (most of them your own posts dingus) it certainly seems like the point, so it wasnt very well understood
[editline]7th February 2016[/editline]
[QUOTE=Rofl_copter;49691661]yea, people vary though. ive seen guys who have done things like this and act the exact opposite.. you never can tell how people will react. the point is one guys experience doesnt equal someone elses and that ptsd is a very real possibility in the job[/QUOTE]
For fucking like 70 years we have considered soldiers to be badass, the shit they pull is badass and it takes a badass to do this crazy shit, whats the problem in saying its badass. Army anything is badass because it takes balls that a regular person doesnt have
[QUOTE=Arc Nova;49691721]Well if you go back to page 1 or 2 (most of them your own posts dingus) it certainly seems like the point, so it wasnt very well understood[/QUOTE]
the point is ptsd is a reality and you cant just discount and assume everyone is ok with it, thats not cool
by the way please stop putting rangers up on a pedestal, they really arent miles special and are just as human as everyone else, if were going the story route i can pm you a few of my brother's stories about them
[QUOTE=Rofl_copter;49691748]the point is ptsd is a reality and you cant just discount and assume everyone is ok with it, thats not cool
by the way please stop putting rangers up on a pedestal, they really arent miles special and are just as human as everyone else, if were going the story route i can pm you a few of my brother's stories about them[/QUOTE]
Okay?? So?? He may (MAY) have PTSD but the action of killing someone with a plastic spoon is still badass as fuck regardless. I really dont see your point, at all.
[editline]7th February 2016[/editline]
[QUOTE=Rofl_copter;49691748]the point is ptsd is a reality and you cant just discount and assume everyone is ok with it, thats not cool
by the way please stop putting rangers up on a pedestal, they really arent miles special and are just as human as everyone else, if were going the story route i can pm you a few of my brother's stories about them[/QUOTE]
Im not putting rangers on a pedestal, im putting the army in general up there because theyre the people who actually risk their lives everyday so you can continue to sit on your ass at home and preach about PTSD on facepunch. I dont need to hear your brothers stories nearly my whole family is military and alot of buddies are in it as well, can tell you right now none of them have PTSD.
My point is your allowed to think something that happened was badass while still knowing it was a horrible thing at the same time, dunno why thats so out there. Pretty sure thats why there is war movies, tv shows and games. Shits badass. And you know for a fact if there was a movie about this guy this spoon scene would be in every trailer for his movie. Why?
Because its fucking badass.
[editline]7th February 2016[/editline]
Next think you know you cant praise a doctor for saving a life in a major surgery because the doctor might have ptsd from it
[QUOTE=Arc Nova;49691695]FUCKING THIS
Everyone in the thread saying you have to be a psychopath to not be affected negatively about this. Not every soldier gets truamitized over killing somebody. My grandfather has plenty of war stories and he knew he would end up killing, hes not traumatized and hes not a psychopath, so how do you explaim that?? gonna have to agree with InvaderNouga and Hybrid here.[/QUOTE]
And you have some non-army people too who don't seem too bothered by offing terrorists.
[IMG]http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-RNAQXl7UVv8/T8d3jNTAhpI/AAAAAAAACx4/BX2Ga6MosSg/s1600/I-kicked-burning-terrorist-so-hard-in-balls.png[/IMG]
The terrorist died because of burns inflicted by himself in the explosion, not because this guy kicked him in the bollocks.
[QUOTE=Fr3ddi3;49692006]The terrorist died because of burns inflicted by himself in the explosion, not because this kicked him in the bollocks.[/QUOTE]
Well, i mean it probably didn't help :v:
[QUOTE=Saxon;49689898]So he was in life or death hand to hand combat on the floor and he found the time to break his spoon into a shank? Sounds pretty dubious to me.
The original source "Grunt Stuff" is shit tier news if you can call it that and basically offers no proof other than "take my word for it"[/QUOTE]
I was thinking more like broke it against the person he was fighting
For those who are wondering if it is even possible to kill someone with a spoon. According to this [URL="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ultimate_tensile_strength#Typical_tensile_strengths"]wikipedia[/URL] page the yield strength of human skin is 15 mpa or 2175 psi. Here are the physical properties of ABS plastic [URL="http://www.matbase.com/material-categories/natural-and-synthetic-polymers/commodity-polymers/material-properties-of-acrylonitrile-butadiene-styrene-general-purpose-gp-abs.html#properties"]http://www.matbase.com/material-categories/natural-and-synthetic-polymers/commodity-polymers/material-properties-of-acrylonitrile-butadiene-styrene-general-purpose-gp-abs.html#properties[/URL]. According to this information the compressive strength of ABS plastic is minimum 60 mpa or 8700 psi. A rough (and high) estimate of the area of the very end of a spoon handle is 1/8" X 1/2" (40 mm2) (I would shank with end of the spoons handle since it is probably the strongest part). If a force of 2175 psi or 15 N/mm2 is needed to break the skin then 600 newtons of force needs to be applied to that area. Considering the force of a punch can exceed 5000 newtons [URL="http://www.livescience.com/6040-brute-force-humans-punch.html"](link)[/URL], I would say it is possible if one were able to grip the spoon well enough and apply the force reasonably parallel to the spoon's shaft.
Edit: I've already edited the original post enough so I'll just add that I just discovered that most plastic cutlery is made of polystyrene, not ABS. polystyrene has similar physical properties and a slightly higher compressive strength.
[QUOTE=bigdandyd;49693637]For those who are wondering if it is even possible to kill someone with a spoon. According to this [URL="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ultimate_tensile_strength#Typical_tensile_strengths"]wikipedia[/URL] page the yield strength of human skin is 15 mpa or 2175 psi. Here are the physical properties of ABS plastic [URL="http://www.matbase.com/material-categories/natural-and-synthetic-polymers/commodity-polymers/material-properties-of-acrylonitrile-butadiene-styrene-general-purpose-gp-abs.html#properties"]http://www.matbase.com/material-categories/natural-and-synthetic-polymers/commodity-polymers/material-properties-of-acrylonitrile-butadiene-styrene-general-purpose-gp-abs.html#properties[/URL]. According to this information the compressive strength of ABS plastic is minimum 60 mpa or 8700 psi. If the spoon's base area is about 1/8" X 1/2" (40 mm2) and a force of 2175 psi or 15 N/mm2 needs to break the skin then 600 newtons of force needs to be applied. Considering the force of a punch can exceed 5000 newtons [URL="http://www.livescience.com/6040-brute-force-humans-punch.html"](link)[/URL] I would say it is possible.[/QUOTE]This is the best post in the thread
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