Snow has 'instruction manual' for how NSA is built - Polidicks

release it

[QUOTE=cecilbdemodded;41484845]I have a theory about this type of leak. In the old days, most major leaks of info came from intelligence or the military. These are organizations where the members are working for national defense. Therefore, it's no surprise that the spies were usually doing it for money, not ideological reasons. In today's tech oriented world though, it's radically different. IT people did not acquire their skills working for national defense. They do not get hired out of national defense related occupations. They are not given security clearances earned from national defense related work. In short, IT workers have no particular allegiance to any ideology beyond what any other citizen might have. They are not from a culture of "us vs them", if anything they are from a culture of "information wants to be free".[/QUOTE] This is an interesting theory but it is invalidated by a few facts. Many contractors do get their skills and their hiring from national defense related occupations, as was the case with Snowden, who worked for the DoD and CIA before joining BAH. A security clearance is something you are given to perform a job, not earned through service- it's not a promotion, interns and new hires are given Top Secret clearances if the job requires it and they check out. And many contractors not only work on national defense, but all who are given clearances are held to the same standards of loyalty and integrity as employees with those clearances. In some agencies, the only difference between a contractor and an employee is the color of their badge and who the paycheck comes from. There's no radical gulf between the two. The intelligence community is not the military. ROTC models are not applicable. It's a tech job like any other, it just involves a commitment to secrecy and national defense.

"would allow somebody who read them to know exactly how the NSA does what it does, which would in turn allow them to evade that surveillance or replicate it" Called it a long time ago, Snowden probably got information about NSA have hacked their way, cleaned up for media and/or bypassed the laws in some way. And without telling the people about it, I think it's a backstabbing move and people should take serious actions and not just sit there. This have been going on way too long, just my opinion.

[QUOTE=catbarf;41483198]Basically he had stuff he shouldn't so the only way he could gain access was to bypass the security in place.[/QUOTE] Or someone who had legitimate access to it leaked it to Snowden. (for what reason I don't know, I'm just listing a possibility)

[QUOTE=catbarf;41485114]This is an interesting theory but it is invalidated by a few facts. Many contractors do get their skills and their hiring from national defense related occupations, as was the case with Snowden, who worked for the DoD and CIA before joining BAH. A security clearance is something you are given to perform a job, not earned through service- it's not a promotion, interns and new hires are given Top Secret clearances if the job requires it and they check out. And many contractors not only work on national defense, but all who are given clearances are held to the same standards of loyalty and integrity as employees with those clearances. In some agencies, the only difference between a contractor and an employee is the color of their badge and who the paycheck comes from. There's no radical gulf between the two. The intelligence community is not the military. ROTC models are not applicable. It's a tech job like any other, it just involves a commitment to secrecy and national defense.[/QUOTE] Well, if you look at Snowden's history, you'll see he bounced around various educational and job paths. He wasn't 'career' intelligence, military, or anything really. So what I'm saying in my theory is that to guard against these kinds of leaks the US intelligence apparatus should create a career path for IT and ALL of their top security clearance workers should be drawn from this pool. This will take a while to implement, but IT is here to stay so the sooner they get started on this the better. Years from now it will pay off. If they stick with the contractor model they are using now the leaks WILL get worse and worse.

[QUOTE=bravehat;41482820]I'm gonna be honest, this shit can't possibly be true, an intelligence agency will know about compartmentalisation.[/QUOTE] Compartmentalization is worth fuck-all if there's some document, even if it isn't one complete unit, detailing how your different facets work. If Snowden truly has everything he says he has, I'm willing to believe such a document exists.

Don't release it just keep it as insurance.......it's a pretty big bargaining chip if things don't go his way

[QUOTE=Fangz;41484581]This is the same government that thought it was a good idea to have a bunch of computers and hardware parts physically destroyed because they had [url="https://facepunch.com/showthread.php?t=1287102"]malware[/url] on them.[/QUOTE] That's like comparing one white in one community to another white in another and insisting all whites are stupid because one of them was stupid. The government is huge, you have to compare by agencies.

[QUOTE=SPESSMEHREN;41483282]Snowden only started working for an NSA contractor with the intention on stealing as much information has he could to leak it. He didn't care about any of it; he just wanted to leak it. He's a traitor.[/QUOTE] I agree, but I see everyone here is rating you dumb because anything against the USA is for the better of the world! No, this guy isn't doing this for human rights or anything like that.

[QUOTE=SPESSMEHREN;41483282]Snowden only started working for an NSA contractor with the intention on stealing as much information has he could to leak it. He didn't care about any of it; he just wanted to leak it. He's a traitor.[/QUOTE] in that case, the american people deserve every traitor they can get. the american government deserves every traitor it gets.

[QUOTE=Matthew0505;41486718]Drone strike on the territory of a nation with over 4000 nukes? Sure why not.[/QUOTE] The only time Russia will use a nuke against America is if America used one against them. We drone strike Pakistan and they're fussing about it, but I don't hear the fallout alarms going off.

[QUOTE=hexpunK;41484653]He's still a traitor to the country, even if what he did has improved what the citizens know of their government (most people still don't seem to give a shit). You can do good things and still be a traitor to someone.[/QUOTE] He's a traitor in the eyes of the U.S. Government. In the eyes of the U.S. Government, Muslims are considered a risk to national security, gays shouldn't have the right to marry one another, and me having a gun that holds more than a certain amount of bullets in a clip is a big no-no. Do you trust the judgement of the U.S. Government?

Everyone in this thread is so ~edgy~ with their vast amounts of knowledge about the OBEY mentality of the U.S. Government. Its really not that bad that they are branding a traitor, as a traitor. Because thats what he is. He is a traitor.

I thought there was literally an instruction manual about how to use snow.

[QUOTE=Melnek;41483470]He should release it.[/QUOTE] I think the small crack will continue to expand as time passes, cracking it wide open may not be the best thing as the american public/unknowing-govt-institutions/judicial systems would have a hard time legally working out out.

Snowden never actually worked for the NSA, he worked for Booz-Allen, a contractor. I don't think he really has the NSA's "Bible". But perhaps the NSA doesn't know if Snowden actually has that information. Snowden may be bluffing. [editline]17th July 2013[/editline] Anyways I am surprised at how these leaks have driven much discussion in the US about the NSA's practices, but not much discussion abroad about the Europeans own surveillance efforts. As we know from a couple other leakers including Snowden, the five eyes rely upon the US and UK to conduct mass surveillance. The US is at the heart of the plan because most communication hubs are centered in the US. The UK is responsible for monitoring the ~200 fiber optics cables that stretch between the US and Europe and the UK and Europe. This surveillance is done by the GCHQ. All this metadata is shared with the rest of the eyes, who then identify threats and prosecute them. The European countries (and Aus, NZ, Canada) have willingly submitted to this kind of surveillance since 2001. However, I think most Europeans are either ignorant or apathetic of this fact.

I read the NSA instruction manual. You got to be real careful to make sure you don't lose the allen wrench

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[QUOTE=Mingebox;41489376]I read the NSA instruction manual. You got to be real careful to make sure you don't lose the allen wrench[/QUOTE] ikea always sent my nsa with a bunch of fucking extra parts. still, you don't need as many tools to assemble their model, it just requires a screwdriver and some twisted moral fibers, which you probably have lying around the house if you were planning to build an nsa to begin with.

Those documents are spread out already arent they? If he is harmed, they will be released. Question is, what if someone wants them to be released and decide to harm him. Better for him if he just releases them before that happens, less enemies to worry about then :v:

[QUOTE=SPESSMEHREN;41483282]Snowden only started working for an NSA contractor with the intention on stealing as much information has he could to leak it. He didn't care about any of it; he just wanted to leak it. He's a traitor.[/QUOTE] He knew that the NSA was doing despicable and immoral shit that the government should be disgusted with. He didn't just "leak it to leak it".

[QUOTE=hexpunK;41484653]He's still a traitor to the country, even if what he did has improved what the citizens know of their government (most people still don't seem to give a shit). You can do good things and still be a traitor to someone.[/QUOTE] It's almost like you've been spoon-fed propaganda, but that'd be too cliche.

[QUOTE=Mingebox;41489376]I read the NSA instruction manual. You got to be real careful to make sure you don't lose the allen wrench[/QUOTE] My NSA kit's morality chip fell under the couch, seems to work fine without it though It was probably just a spare

[QUOTE=SPESSMEHREN;41483282]Snowden only started working for an NSA contractor with the intention on stealing as much information has he could to leak it. He didn't care about any of it; he just wanted to leak it. He's a traitor.[/QUOTE] he's a true american hero, more so than a hundred soldiers would be

[QUOTE=hexpunK;41484653]He's still a traitor to the country, even if what he did has improved what the citizens know of their government (most people still don't seem to give a shit). You can do good things and still be a traitor to someone.[/QUOTE] Most people don't give a shit because the media tells them to care about Trayvon Martin and other pointless shit.

[QUOTE=SGTSpartans;41488289]Everyone in this thread is so ~edgy~ with their vast amounts of knowledge about the OBEY mentality of the U.S. Government. Its really not that bad that they are branding a traitor, as a traitor. Because thats what he is. He is a traitor.[/QUOTE] Yeah I wish I was still 12 years old and could see the world in black and white too.

[QUOTE=jaegerisacunt;41492928]Yeah I wish I was still 12 years old and could see the world in black and white too.[/QUOTE] The thing is, not everything is black and white, just greys. This goes by governments and people, and I learned that you can't trust anything you hear. I am considering that the US did do a wrong thing with the NSA, but there is still the added fact that Snowden had full intention on leaking things. The only people who are thinking black and white are those who are saying that the US Government is bad, Snowden is a hero, or visa versa without any thinking.

releaseitreleaseit i want to see US get screwed they avoided that for far too long

[QUOTE=Quark:;41488274]He's a traitor in the eyes of the U.S. Government. In the eyes of the U.S. Government, Muslims are considered a risk to national security, gays shouldn't have the right to marry one another, and me having a gun that holds more than a certain amount of bullets in a clip is a big no-no. Do you trust the judgement of the U.S. Government?[/QUOTE] I wasn't taking the US governments side there. But continue to believe anyone who isn't 100% with you is automatically against you. Totally going to help progress the world. [editline]17th July 2013[/editline] [QUOTE=Recurracy;41491697]It's almost like you've been spoon-fed propaganda, but that'd be too cliche.[/QUOTE] I wasn't taking their side there. Holy fucking shit. Are you lot purposefully being imbeciles and reading too much into my post or something? He is a traitor to them, that's literally all I was saying. I wasn't saying "i agree bomb the commie-mulsim-traitor!!!". [editline]17th July 2013[/editline] [QUOTE=Coffee;41492890]Most people don't give a shit because the media tells them to care about Trayvon Martin and other pointless shit.[/QUOTE] You guys really need to get your shit sorted out if the media cam get away with taking sides to such a degree and still be classed as "news".

He needs to publish it in a book entitled: "Setting up Intelligence Agencies For Dummies".