• 5 Year Old Boy Kills 2 Year Old Sister With Gift
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Now clearly, if the two years old had a gun, this horrific incident would never have occurred! GIVE KIDS GUNS 2013! PREVENT GUN VIOLENCE!
The mistake here wasn't giving the kid a gun, it was giving the kid a [i]loaded[/i] gun. Chances are that he had never handled a firearm before, and it would have been the perfect thing to teach him proper safety and handling. But the parents were idiots and gave him a loaded gun the first time he ever touched one.
[QUOTE=UncleJimmema;40490832]The mistake here wasn't giving the kid a gun, it was giving the kid a [I]loaded[/I] gun.[/QUOTE] Those are both mistakes, since a kid that age can't fully grasp the consequences of mishandling a firearm. There's plenty of adults who can't grasp the concept of that, so how should a kid be any better? considering a average child are even more unpredictable than a average adult.
[QUOTE=Van-man;40490883]Those are both mistakes, since a kid that age can't fully grasp the consequences of mishandling a firearm.[/QUOTE] The whole intention of giving the kid a firearm at that age is to teach them the proper handling and usage of a firearm. They may not comprehend the consequences of mishandling one, but it helps build a mindset on using one. A responsible adult would let the rifle "be his kids", but when its not out and being used it's locked away from the kids. So long as when it is loaded and being used under heavy supervision there should be no issues, and before even handing the kid a loaded firearm the parent should have taught him all the do's and don't of firearm handling and made sure the kid understood them. While a 5 year old cannot fully comprehend the consequences of mishandling a firearm, they are fully capable of learning and knowing not to point a gun barrel at someone and to keep their finger off the trigger until they're on a range with the gun sights pointed at paper. I was given my first .22 when I was 6. My dad let me hold it and fiddle around with it when he first gave it to me (unloaded), but he kept it locked in a safe a majority of the time. He would bring it out and tell me what to do and what not to do, and when he did take me out to the range he made sure that I did everything right. I was shooting competitively by the time I was 10, and now I participate in long range rifle competitions. Having firearms is a responsibility, and teaching that responsibility at an earlier age helps promote better safety.
I got a little bolt action Henry rifle when I was around that age. My parents (and my entire family, more or less) taught me proper gun safety and control. If anything, it's the parents fault. They didn't teach their kid that, even unloaded, guns of any kind are not toys and can't be treated as such. Also, why the fuck would you leave a round in the gun and not even check it every so often? It's awful.
I expected this: [IMG]https://encrypted-tbn3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSM8h6zWFrK-uQtMPS4XOeQPuPl8Jgp6Yox4I5t_BBFuXIHCFKl[/IMG]
if she had a gun this wouldn't have happened!
[QUOTE=UncleJimmema;40490930]While a 5 year old cannot fully comprehend the consequences of mishandling a firearm,[B] they are fully capable of learning and knowing not to point a gun barrel at someone[/B] and to keep their finger off the trigger until they're on a range with the gun sights pointed at paper.[/QUOTE] No, kids that [I]THAT[/I] unpredictable and impulsive. Their mind is still in early stage of development. In's only when they're in their teens they're capable of that, and at that age, hormones kick in and causes mood swings, so they should never be without supervision when handling a firearm.
[QUOTE=Van-man;40491157]No, kids that [I]THAT[/I] unpredictable and impulsive. Their mind is still in early stage of development. In's only when they're in their teens they're capable of that, and at that age, hormones kick in and causes mood swings, so they should never be without supervision when handling a firearm.[/QUOTE] Yes, kids that age are unpredictable. I pointed my (unloaded) .22 at my dad once, and only once. He proceeded to pull the gun out of my hands and give me a smack over the head, and said that if I pointed a gun at him or anyone else ever again he'd knock me out. That's what the whole period of time before even loading a gun and going to a range is for. Even at the range there one should always be making constant corrections, making sure their finger is off the trigger when the rifles not pointed down range and that the action is held open when there's no shooting going on. Ok, so when I was 16 and teaching younger scouts how to shoot shotguns I should have not been around them and have the older camp staff lock them up from me? Because my hormones would have caused me to completely forget firearm safety and accidentally shoot someone? Or are you implying that my emotional swings would have completely taken over my rational thought and I would have killed someone or myself? The biggest problem I faced when teaching scouts how to use firearms were the kids that never had touched one before. Usually they would listen quite well and did there best to not mess up, but on plenty of occasions I had a loaded shotgun pointed at myself or someone else because someone didn't take firearm safety seriously.
I did my rifle and shotgun merit badges in Boy Scouts without killing anyone I think
I got my first .22 when I was six years old. My parents never let me hold on to it or do anything with it when they weren't around, and I had to take a firearm's safety course and I was [I]always[/I] supervised when we were out shooting. I have a feeling that this was not the case in this incident, and if it had been, the kid would probably still be alive. Just a case of poor supervision. Still though, five is pretty damn young to be giving a kid a rifle. Thinking back, six was probably a little young too, but with proper supervision and education, it's not a problem.
How about instead of giving an actual [I]weapon[/I] to a goddamn five year old get them a nerf gun or water gun instead I don't understand what's so fucking hard to understand about this Is it really [I]that[/I] important that your five year old knows how to shoot a real gun as soon as humanly possible (or earlier)? This is like giving them a real sword instead of a toy one because "It'll all be fine if they practice proper sword safety!" Sure, sometimes it'll be fine, but you're taking way too much risk when there's a perfect, harmless alternative.
god bless america ;_;7
[QUOTE=Van-man;40491157]No, kids that [I]THAT[/I] unpredictable and impulsive. Their mind is still in early stage of development. In's only when they're in their teens they're capable of that, and at that age, hormones kick in and causes mood swings, so they should never be without supervision when handling a firearm.[/QUOTE] Uhhh.... when I learned when I was 4, as I said, I never pointed the gun at anyone because my grandpa told me not to. Maybe you were mentally declined at a young age, because even at 4 I understood "Don't point that at anyone.".
[QUOTE=Eltro102;40490983]if she had a gun this wouldn't have happened![/QUOTE] Yeah. Infants should be allowed to carry guns in order to defend themselves.
[QUOTE=SubbyV-2;40487258]Is it me or are Americans really crazy about guns?[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=Van-man;40487318]Crazy is a understatement.[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=Knoxed;40487749]welp its america after all. can't live a life without a rifle in your closet.[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=The golden;40490917]Crazy? Try disturbingly obsessed.[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=Mr_Awesome;40491821]god bless america ;_;7[/QUOTE] Yes yes, we all get that people on Facepunch love to make broad and sweeping generalizations about America, can we please give it a rest. It's getting extremely old.
[QUOTE=Hinterlight;40492166]Yes yes, we all get that people on Facepunch love to make broad and sweeping generalizations about America, can we please give it a rest. It's getting extremely old.[/QUOTE] Only when America actually becomes progressive when it comes to firearms. [QUOTE=Aetna;40491860]Uhhh.... when I learned when I was 4, as I said, I never pointed the gun at anyone because my grandpa told me not to. Maybe you were mentally declined at a young age, because even at 4 I understood "Don't point that at anyone.".[/QUOTE] you =/= all kids
I don't have too much wrong with kids being allowed to use guns, if they know what they're doing there's not much of any danger, but they need to be properly trained and educated, and probably a few years older, first. Also, not checking to see if a gun is loaded and leaving it sitting around with a round in the chamber is idiotic no matter what.
[QUOTE=Van-man;40492325]Only when America actually becomes progressive when it comes to firearms. [b]you =/= all kids[/b][/QUOTE] Lol.... so were you one of the kids too inept to follow basic instructions?
[QUOTE=Aetna;40492429]Lol.... so were you one of the kids too inept to follow basic instructions?[/QUOTE] Not all kids are responsible enough, it has nothing to do with following instructions, ass
Kids should be taught firearm safety with a Daisy Red Ryder BB gun, I got mine when I was 6, didn't touch a real firearm until twice that age. This is like teaching someone how to ride a bike with a crotch rocket.
[QUOTE=Aetna;40492429]Lol.... so were you one of the kids too inept to follow basic instructions?[/QUOTE] You should try and take a look at a kindergarten class and see how kids can be. [QUOTE=Steve Harvey;40492614]Not all kids are responsible enough, it has nothing to do with following instructions, ass[/QUOTE] As a follow-up, something that's partially related, and also shows why kids basically can't be fully trusted: [URL]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Delayed_gratification[/URL] [QUOTE]A person’s ability to delay gratification [I]relates to other similar skills [/I]such as patience, [B]impulse control[/B], [B]self-control[/B] and willpower Age plays a role too; children under [B]5 years old[/B] demonstrate a marked lack of delayed gratification ability and most commonly seek immediate gratification[/QUOTE] Basically kids don't really have much self control and discipline.
[QUOTE=Steve Harvey;40492614]Not all kids are responsible enough, it has nothing to do with following instructions, ass[/QUOTE] You're wrong. I'm sorry, you can be an irresponsible fuck and still follow [B]extremely basic instructions[/B]. Guns are not complicated magical sticks, they're machines, and after watching children as young as 2 play with iPads and other devices that are considered for use by adults, I know for a fact that wielding a firearm is possible and safe. My roommates 2 year old has a bright green plastic BB gun, and he is already aware of the fact he is not to point it at any of us or the dogs, and he doesn't. Bottom line, parents need to raise their kids better.
[QUOTE=BuffaloBill;40487205]There's a [b]massive[/b] difference between letting your kids shoot a few rounds in a controlled environment and [i]giving him his own goddamn gun holy shit why would you fucking do that[/i][/QUOTE] I wouldn't even let a five year old shoot a few rounds in a controlled environment. I'd wait until the kid was at least ten to start with that.
[QUOTE=mac338;40493216]I wouldn't even let a five year old shoot a few rounds in a controlled environment. I'd wait until the kid was at least ten to start with that.[/QUOTE] Why?
[QUOTE=Truckasaurus1;40493242]Why?[/QUOTE] Answer to that has been posted many times now.
[QUOTE=Solo Wing;40487852]I myself have nothing against showing a child firearms....just don't be a dumbass about it. I mean shit, my dad let me see his revolver when I was a kid....but it was unloaded, safety on. Showed me just about everything there was to know about it. I mean....I myself don't mind the idea of kids around firearms....but some extreme responsibility is needed by the parents.[/QUOTE] What. Tell me about this revolver, I am a lifelong gun nut, and I have yet to see a revolver with a safety catch.
[QUOTE=The golden;40493339]Well this sort of crap is what is a product of American gun culture. This shit is much MUCH more rare everywhere else [B][I]because we don't give guns to fucking infants.[/I][/B][/QUOTE] And this shit still would have never happened if the parents were being responsible. It has nothing to do with "American gun culture," it has to do with irresponsible gun ownership, which is an actual issue.
If you hand a 5 year old kid a loaded firearm and turn your back, You just might be a redneck.
I suspect that what happened is the 5 year old got used to the idea that the rifle was 'safe' because the parents kept the ammo. This would also explain why the rifle was just leaning in a corner, no one considered it dangerous because the kids couldn't get ammo for it. With no access to ammo, that rifle is basically as dangerous as a baseball bat. It's a perfect example of why gun safety rules exist and why kids aren't held accountable like adults. One, because the gun is ALWAYS loaded. If this family had followed that rule, the kid can't get his hands on the gun unless supervised- no dead sister. Second, because you cannot trust the judgment of a 5 year old for jack shit, much less on the use of a deadly weapon. Kids don't know better, it's dumb to argue that a 5 year old can be taught the seriousness of weapons handling and the consequences of misuse. All you can do is get a kid used to handling a weapon, so that when the kid is old enough to understand and be responsible, he or she has experience in the operation of the weapon.
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