Trump calls for some 'good old global warming' as US experiences bad weather - Polidicks

[QUOTE=SIRIUS;53014470]Hey, FP idiots who voted him in, how does it feel?[/QUOTE] I think it's been well established that a great many people are already regretful for voting for him and that this derisive, spiteful attitude is doing an awful lot more harm than good, particularly in the long run where it will be far more beneficial for people to be pulling together rather than pushing further apart

Reminds me of an analogy: people on the Titanic say they aren't sinking, because the end they're on is currently going [I]up[/I].

[QUOTE=thejjokerr;53013833]If after all this you still think he's dumb, I'd advise to look at the stuff he's saying and doing more closely rather than acting on emotion. He's clearly pushing an agenda and making absurd changes that will give certain already powerful people more power and make the wealthiest more wealthier. He knows perfectly fine what he's doing.[/QUOTE] ... Have you seen or heard anything from him? Like actually read what it is that he says? The guy can barely speak English. We also have the amount of times where he has forgotten to sign things he was supposed to sign? I mean, the main thing that's making me think he's dumb as bricks is Trump himself.

[QUOTE=cani;53013830]We don't call it Global Warming any more Trump, we changed it to Climate Change for dumb fucks.[/QUOTE] It never changed. It's always been called climate change. Global warming and global dimming are two types of climate change. We are currently undergoing global warming.

[QUOTE=milktree;53013746]this is definitely the attitude we need to convince people to vote blue in 2020 guys!! go ahead, keep demonizing the right so it only strengthens their beliefs. say hi to trump's second term.[/QUOTE] Why does the right wing need to be treated like children?

[QUOTE=Sitkero;53014476]I think it's been well established that a great many people are already regretful for voting for him and that this derisive, spiteful attitude is doing an awful lot more harm than good, particularly in the long run where it will be far more beneficial for people to be pulling together rather than pushing further apart[/QUOTE] no, I think some "I told you so" is in order for the sake of the future

[QUOTE=RichyZ;53014586]idk feels p good to be spiteful when trump supporters were/are being retards about it esp during the campaign maga maga XD republican voters dont need to be treated like children or the mentally disabled to sway to sane schools of thought, that shit comes from within[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=Rufia;53014612]Why does the right wing need to be treated like children?[/QUOTE] Alright, I'll bite Because a lot like children they made a mistake and they're not gonna learn a goddamn thing from it or get any better if people just lay on the scorn and derision rather than offering an alternative way forward and a way to avoid the same mistakes in the future Being a dick about it basically just reinforces notion that the right is all they have because the left are elitist pricks Did you guys miss that part during the primaries where Sanders was doing absurdly well for a Democrat in the rust belt which was largely attributed by the part where he was wanting people to pull together as Americans and listening to people and treating their concerns, complains, and grievances as actual valid things worth listening to Did you guys miss the part where Hillary basically skipped the rust belt to go rub elbows with some bigwigs and subsequently lost all those potential blue voters in the process Like do you not see some correlation there with not being a dick and things being better or what

[QUOTE=thejjokerr;53014581]Language technically he uses a method of writing and speaking which appeals to the dumb majority because it messes with their minds without him having said anything valuable or true. There's a reason he uses those powerful sounding words and repeats them so often. But yeah I might just be seeing patterns that aren't there (I'm human, forgive me). Also I don't live in the USA so I don't get to see all the things orange guy does and says.[/QUOTE] M8, it's got nothing to do with poweful sounding words or repetition or anything like that. It's the fact that he talks like a toddler. Like, read this [QUOTE]Look, having nuclear — my uncle was a great professor and scientist and engineer, Dr. John Trump at MIT; good genes, very good genes, OK, very smart, the Wharton School of Finance, very good, very smart — you know, if you’re a conservative Republican, if I were a liberal, if, like, OK, if I ran as a liberal Democrat, they would say I’m one of the smartest people anywhere in the world — it’s true! — but when you’re a conservative Republican they try — oh, do they do a number — that’s why I always start off: Went to Wharton, was a good student, went there, went there, did this, built a fortune — you know I have to give my like credentials all the time, because we’re a little disadvantaged — but you look at the nuclear deal, the thing that really bothers me — it would have been so easy, and it’s not as important as these lives are — nuclear is powerful; my uncle explained that to me many, many years ago, the power and that was 35 years ago; he would explain the power of what’s going to happen and he was right, who would have thought? — but when you look at what’s going on with the four prisoners — now it used to be three, now it’s four — but when it was three and even now, I would have said it’s all in the messenger; fellas, and it is fellas because, you know, they don’t, they haven’t figured that the women are smarter right now than the men, so, you know, it’s gonna take them about another 150 years — but the Persians are great negotiators, the Iranians are great negotiators, so, and they, they just killed, they just killed us.[/QUOTE] AAVE with all the slang makes more sense than this. Villy Søvndahl spoke more coherent English than this. I don't live in the US either, but you don't even have to listen to him a lot to hear that he might have Alzheimer's or is just plain stupid.

Absolute fucking idiot cant understand climate change is the most powerful man in the world

[QUOTE=RichyZ;53014645]i didnt miss a damn thing, most people who voted trump and bragged about it on fp gave 0 fucks about reason or coming together in any way, at this point im just tired of anyone who sympathizes for the republican party [B]because anyone with a functioning temporal lobe knows that theyre a bunch of trash humans working solely for corporate interests and archaic beliefs[/B][/QUOTE] I think that makes you part of the problem. The bolded bit especially Yeah there's a lot of shitty people voting for the Republican party but just dismissing the whole lot of them out of hand so casually is basically giving the party itself a free pass to keep doing exactly what they've been doing for the last few decades I'm just gonna repurpose this post because it sort of sums up most of my thoughts on the matter [QUOTE=Sitkero;52940355]This post turned into one hell of a text wall, and I think it's a shame to waste all that effort, so One of the biggest issues with the Republican party is how they maintain power. It's not so much they have 50% of American support, it's that they've spent the last sixtyodd years consolidating their power into a handful of gerrymandered single issue strongholds with wildly disproportionate voting power while simultaneously seeking to undermine and actively hinder the voting power of any unwanted and disagreeable demographics They reinforce that disproportionate voting power by actively fucking over their voter base and passing the blame on to the Democrats while rallying their base around only a handful of key issues that they've spent the last few decades hyping up the importance of. Republican politics are deeply invested in propaganda tactics. Despite the fact that they're responsible for the [I]vast[/I] amount of economic strife the US has suffered in the last hundred years, they've always managed to skitter out from under the blame and pass it to the Democrats with these propaganda tactics. They've tanked the economy repeatedly through ramrodding supply side economics and mass deregulation alongside massive tax cuts for the wealthy and the corporations, but somehow it always manages to be the Democrats' fault because of things like welfare leeches and immigrant job thieves. The fragile economy for the Republicans is never attributed to things like the wealthy getting a free pass on taxes while everyone else shoulders the burden which completely tanks the spending power of the average American and is not-so-gradually annihilating the American middle class while the already wealthy just get wealthier at their expense, it's somehow attributed to the Democrats are taxing those poor innocent corporations out of business and taking away everything the wealthy worked so hard for to pay for enormously(exaggeratedly) expensive social programs that only benefit those pesky immigrants If it's even remotely beneficial to the average American and/or doesn't give large corporations and the wealthy a leg up on everyone else, you can bet your ass the Republicans are going to do everything in their power to undermine it at every turn and push their propaganda to the breaking point to make sure it appears in the most negative light possible. [url=https://np.reddit.com/r/changemyview/comments/6tm9h5/cmv_over_the_next_1020_years_the_biggest_threat/dlm31u9/?context=3]This is reflected in Republican voting habits[/url]. Regulation of any kind is painted as big government which is always automatically bad. The reasoning changes depending on what the regulation is. Most often it's painted as an issue of states rights(Which they will conveniently ignore when it comes to giving large companies a leg up). Any kind of taxation is painted as evil and the again they tend towards the big government line, usually with some extra flavoring as the Democrats trying to steal Americans' hard earned money and give it to those filthy immigrants, while at the same time they'll gleefully cut any and all taxes for their wealthy and corporate benefactors while shunting the burden off on to their voter base. Federal spending is always painted as wasteful and you get the same lines about the government wasting American tax dollars, but mysteriously it becomes a good thing if it's subsidizing something like privatization of just about anything, which tends to tie in with their hatred of any regulation. In the Republican world, corporations can do no wrong, and it's always better to give them money and let them self regulate. You can always trust a private corporation, but for some reason public servants are never given the same trust There's also the religious issue. This is one of the biggest hot button issues the Republicans use to keep a stranglehold on their voter base and ensure they can keep taking advantage of them for generations to come. Republican candidates typically have a very strong religious values streak in their public image, built off of the very specific kind of evangelical Christianity that prevails in the rural United States. The Republicans have invested a lot into making sure most of their voters are single issue voters, and religion is their favorite single issue, which ties in nicely with their investment in active propaganda. Using the religious angle, it's easy for them to turn their base even further against the Democrats while simultaneously drawing focus away from things like their disastrous economic policies and flagrant corporate favoritism. This is why things like gay marriage and abortion are so frequently such an important part of Republican campaigns. It lets them sidestep more important issues and immediately score brownie points with their base while throwing mud at the opposition. Since Democratic candidates tend to be more forward thinking on social issues, it's easy for Republicans to paint themselves as the more moral and godly choice. By pretending to stand for good Christian traditional family values, they can just about automatically sway a particular religious demographic. As an even bigger bonus for them in recent years, Islam has become a similar hot button issue, which also plays nicely into the [I]other[/I] Republican hot button issue of security Security, military, and patriotism are another favored Republican propaganda tool which ties in well with the religious component. The next big part of Republican campaigns you'll most often see next to the traditional Christian family values is good old fashioned American patriotism, and I think it's one of the more disgustingly exploitative parts of how the Republican party operates. The Republican party prizes the military greatly, and no part of the military is more valuable to them than the average American soldier as a political prop, and they adore tying them in with the religious angle. I'm sure everyone is familiar with slogans like 'god bless our troops'. A very particular kind of 'patriotism'(Blind nationalism) is greatly stressed by the Republican party and a core component of that patriotism is support and respect for the military and the troops, with a strong emphasis on national security. This turns into another propaganda tool to paint the Democrats in a negative light and further entrap their voter base in the party. Democratic candidates are seldom in favor of more military spending, which is easily twisted into them not caring about the security of Americans, and Democratic candidates are far more likely to raise criticisms against the military and call the more warmongering aspects of the Republicans into question, which reinforces the narrative of them not caring about national security and can also be twisted into them disrespecting the troops The emphasis on gun rights has absolutely nothing to do with their respect for the second amendment nor the rights of individuals, it's more a matter of convenience and yet more propaganda to demonize the other side. Of the voter base they've cultivated and pigeonholed, a significant portion are either active or former military, and rural individuals to whom gun rights are important for reasons like personal defense and security. This is one of the most powerful issues for them because the Democratic party has a completely miserable rapport with gun owners and more often than not paints them as a bunch of backwards hicks who don't know any better or a bunch of paranoid, violent psychotics. This coupled with the Democratic party's history of anti-gun candidates consistently demonstrating an almost total lack on the subject makes gun rights another key piece of leverage to keep the Republican's cultivated demographic from straying away And of course, they reinforce all of this by consistently seeking to undermine things like education by making it either prohibitively expensive, dysfunctional underfunded, or simply hijacked as another propaganda tool. On top of that, there's a constant Republican narrative about the evils of big government. On the whole, I think it's less about 50% of Americans being stupid and more about them being misled, uneducated, deliberately misguided, and heavily exploited. The Republican party are a disgustingly predatory institution, and the worst part of it all is they've managed to convince their prey that they're better off being exploited by them than helped by anyone else[/QUOTE] I think your vitriol should be directed at the party leadership. The ones [I]actually[/I] fucking things up. Yeah, their voters help them get into power, but they've spent a long time rigging the scales to make sure they don't need a large amount of voters to begin with

[QUOTE=Sitkero;53014476]I think it's been well established that a great many people are already regretful for voting for him and that this derisive, spiteful attitude is doing an awful lot more harm than good, particularly in the long run where it will be far more beneficial for people to be pulling together rather than pushing further apart[/QUOTE] Yeah, my heart really bleeds for them. You don't get a "Hey buddy, that's okay! You only allowed the worst thing ever to happen!". You get a "Suck it up and don't fuck us over next election."

[QUOTE=thejjokerr;53014672]Yeah like I said I might be wrong, but I'm not the only one thinking about the way he talks and writes making him persuasive: [url]https://www.google.nl/search?q=the+way+trump+speaks&oq=the+way+trump+&aqs=chrome.1.69i57j0l3.3624j0j4&sourceid=chrome-mobile&ie=UTF-8[/url][/QUOTE] the way he talks is "persuasive" because a lot of people wanted to believe him and thus imagined a persuasive argument somewhere in his uniquely unintelligible word salad. it's not even sociopathically manipulative, it's just plain dumb

[QUOTE=Sitkero;53014638]Alright, I'll bite Because a lot like children they made a mistake and they're not gonna learn a goddamn thing from it or get any better if people just lay on the scorn and derision rather than offering an alternative way forward and a way to avoid the same mistakes in the future Being a dick about it basically just reinforces notion that the right is all they have because the left are elitist pricks Did you guys miss that part during the primaries where Sanders was doing absurdly well for a Democrat in the rust belt which was largely attributed by the part where he was wanting people to pull together as Americans and listening to people and treating their concerns, complains, and grievances as actual valid things worth listening to Did you guys miss the part where Hillary basically skipped the rust belt to go rub elbows with some bigwigs and subsequently lost all those potential blue voters in the process Like do you not see some correlation there with not being a dick and things being better or what[/QUOTE] An alternate way to avoid the same mistakes in future? Alternate to listening presumably? Because the issues with Trump were laid out en mass on this website and still trump voters here have the gall to act like his behaviour in office is in any way a surprise. How much longer can America afford to coddle these people? What happens when in 30 years time the left, once again, isn't quite nice enough, whilst the right puts forth another blithering idiot of a glorified celebrity? Do you not see any problem with constantly looking for a way to better appease foolish people as opposed to paying any attention to flaws that make those people foolish in the first place?

[QUOTE=New Cidem;53014687]Yeah, my heart really bleeds for them. You don't get a "Hey buddy, that's okay! You only allowed the worst thing ever to happen!". You get a [B]"Suck it up and don't fuck us over next election."[/B][/QUOTE] And how exactly are they supposed to do that when there's such a huge divide between the two parties actively being widened by this smug, ego stroking, derisive 'lol get fucked degenerate scum' thing? Like way to put words in my mouth and go as far as you can from my point I don't want people to put on their kid gloves and suck those poor righties dicks to make them feel better about fucking up monumentally. I want people to start treating each other like [I]people[/I] and start working out how the fuck we're all supposed to pull together, stop falling for this partisan nonsense, stop others falling for this partisan nonsense, and actually start working towards some positive change

[QUOTE=thejjokerr;53014672]Yeah like I said I might be wrong, but I'm not the only one thinking about the way he talks and writes making him persuasive: [url]https://www.google.nl/search?q=the+way+trump+speaks&oq=the+way+trump+&aqs=chrome.1.69i57j0l3.3624j0j4&sourceid=chrome-mobile&ie=UTF-8[/url][/QUOTE] And I'm not the only one who thinks he sound like an iPhones autocorrect [url]https://www.google.dk/search?q=An+iPhone+would+be+a+more+coherent+president&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&client=firefox-b-ab&gws_rd=cr&dcr=0&ei=UNtGWprrH8bF6ATW67uQAw[/url] If you really think what he says is persuasive, and please read the quote I posted before, then I'm kind of at a loss for words really

[QUOTE=Sitkero;53014712]And how exactly are they supposed to do that when there's such a huge divide between the two parties actively being widened by this smug, ego stroking, derisive 'lol get fucked degenerate scum' thing? Like way to put words in my mouth and go as far as you can from my point I don't want people to put on their kid gloves and suck those poor righties dicks to make them feel better about fucking up monumentally. I want people to start treating each other like [I]people[/I] and start working out how the fuck we're all supposed to pull together, stop falling for this partisan nonsense, stop others falling for this partisan nonsense, and actually start working towards some positive change[/QUOTE] If people are too politically apathetic to look past Trump's shady second hand car dealer schtick, why should others try to debate with them? A great deal of his voter base were single issue voters, who only cared for guns, coal or getting the brown people out of the country. People who actually believe the slight economic recovery is Trump's doing, and not something built up over the years due to initiatives of the previous administration. People who voted to lose their own ACA medical aid, because they didn't know that was what "Obamacare" was referencing to. One man, one vote. If you squander it on feels and don't bother to do some goddamn research before fucking over yourself and those around you for the next 4-8 years, you shouldn't be surprised if you are ridiculed. In the end, it doesn't matter if you direct bile at republican voters or the GOP, because they'd feel you're attacking their views either way.

[QUOTE=Rufia;53014710]An alternate way to avoid the same mistakes in future? Alternate to listening presumably? Because the issues with Trump were laid out en mass on this website and still trump voters here have the gall to act like his behaviour in office is in any way a surprise. How much longer can America afford to coddle these people? What happens when in 30 years time the left, once again, isn't quite nice enough, whilst the right puts forth another blithering idiot of a glorified celebrity? Do you not see any problem with constantly looking for a way to better appease foolish people as opposed to paying any attention to flaws that make those people foolish in the first place?[/QUOTE] Nah, y'know what, fuck this whole line about 'coddling them' and 'appealing to foolish people' too. That's just a way to dodge responsibility and keep treating people like shit while stroking your own ego Yeah, there's a lot of fucked up people in the US. I'm [I]from[/I] the fucking place. I'm [I]related[/I] to some of these people. [I]I get it[/I] But this entire narrative that they're permanently and completely tainted and there's no hope for making positive change in these people so we should just let them get fucked is [I]part of why there's so god damn many of them in the first place[/I] That's a [I]huge[/I] part of what makes Republican party propagandizing so goddamn effective in the first place. The fact that there's such a huge divide in the US makes it just that much easier to isolate and indoctrinate these people Yeah there's a shitload of bigots and racists and they're awful people but they're just gonna keep on happening and getting worse if bridges don't start getting built and fuckin' [I]soon[/I], because if someone grows up in that sort of environment and there's no alternatives presented they're gonna get completely stuck in You don't have to convert every goddamn zealot. That's impossible. But it sure as hell helps your cause a whole lot more to still actually [I]make the effort[/I] and treat them like real human beings, even if they're misguided Y'know why? Because of all the people who [I]aren't[/I] zealots. The uncertain, the undecided, the fence sitters. The people who might have some conservative ideals and might hold some old fashioned viewpoints but are on the whole still very worthwhile human beings who don't deserve to be dehumanized because they voted Republican You can't need to convince all the single issue voters who participate in maybe thirty seconds of political thought a week that they're making a mistake by voting single issues, but in this age of the internet, you can at least still put the word out there for [I]why[/I] they're making a mistake and you might get one of those fence sitters thinking Shit, that's half the reason I even go on these big tirades like I do. I'm pretty sure I'm not doing shit to change the minds of the people I argue with, but it's also a public forum and I'm spreading thoughts and ideas, so there's at least [I]some[/I] chance I'll at least get one or two people thinking about things [QUOTE=Ager O'Eggers;53014745]If people are too politically apathetic to look past Trump's shady second hand car dealer schtick, why should others try to debate with them? A great deal of his voter base were single issue voters, who only cared for guns, coal or getting the brown people out of the country. People who actually believe the slight economic recovery is Trump's doing, and not something built up over the years due to initiatives of the previous administration. People who voted to lose their own ACA medical aid, because they didn't know that was what "Obamacare" was referencing to. One man, one vote. If you squander it on feels and don't bother to do some goddamn research before fucking over yourself and those around you for the next 4-8 years, you shouldn't be surprised if you are ridiculed. In the end, it doesn't matter if you direct bile at republican voters or the GOP, because they'd feel you're attacking their views either way.[/QUOTE] And I'm at it, I'm pretty sick to death of all this weakest man fallacy shit people are using to excuse themselves from ever having to actually engage with the other side and act like it's the right thing to do All of the above post applies to this shit too

[QUOTE=thejjokerr;53014730]I already said multiple times it's just my opinion and I might be wrong. There is no way of looking in trumps head and see if he's purposely being stupid or if he's actually stupid. I read your quote and on that yes I can agree he sounds like a teenage girl the way he talks and he sounds dumb.[/QUOTE] You are aware that it is possible to change your opinion, right? Like rather than acting stubborn and patronizing. But I dunno, I'm just presenting my opinion (which apparently isn't ok??). And rather than trying to read the Oranges mind, you could listen to what he says and look at what he does. He's a retard with a fanbase that keeps reminding people how he's actually pretending to be retarded

Wasn't the west coast literally on fire a little while ago

All I see is writing on the wall when it comes to the political divide in the US. I fear the republicans and the democrats have painted themselves into a corner by the buildup of persistent problems. If both sides think of each other as irredeemable it might be too late for the parties to cooperate. It means mutuality is dead, there can only be conflict from then on, and unchecked ideological extremes. Having to deal with political apathy, incompetence, entrenchment, partisan, polarization, vilifying. So the best choice is to vote democrat, and force everyone to support the democrats? Then what, wait it out, let justice, karma, checks and balances do the rest?

[QUOTE=Sitkero;53014712]And how exactly are they supposed to do that when there's such a huge divide between the two parties actively being widened by this smug, ego stroking, derisive 'lol get fucked degenerate scum' thing? Like way to put words in my mouth and go as far as you can from my point I don't want people to put on their kid gloves and suck those poor righties dicks to make them feel better about fucking up monumentally. I want people to start treating each other like [I]people[/I] and start working out how the fuck we're all supposed to pull together, stop falling for this partisan nonsense, stop others falling for this partisan nonsense, and actually start working towards some positive change[/QUOTE] Look, I get it. You're really pulling for something positive here, I admire that quite a bit. Forgive me if I find it hard to sympathize with anyone who voted for our current President. It wasn't like the writing wasn't on the wall from day one, however. Anybody here want to fix their mistake next time? Do the proper research. Use unbiased sites and information when studying political candidates. Don't vote blue just because you voted Trump and he's now the worst President in US history. If you think voting for a Republican is the right choice [i]and that Republican does not openly admit to sexual abuse, does not engage in mudslinging, and does not openly chastise minorities, non-Christians, political dissenters, the mentally and physically disabled, and non-citizens,[/i] then by all means, they should get your vote. Here's the thing though, I shouldn't have to say that. It is not too much to ask of US voters to be properly informed and invested in our political process. When people fail to meet that most basic of expectations or allow themselves to get wrapped up in obvious misinformation and propaganda, well... again, I find it very hard to sympathize when it comes right back around and smacks them square in the face. I suppose you're more forgiving than I am after all the bullshit we've endured the last year or so.

Sometimes it's a wonder this man actually managed to direct Kevin McCallister to the fucking lobby.

If someone legit regrets voting for Trump, you really should forgive them. I'm sure almost everyone here has been tricked by someone or something before. Sure, you could rub it in and savour being right for a little while - or you could actually use the opportunity to point out "Here is how they suckered you in, here is why they suckered you in and here is how they still are suckering you in and shaping your world view for their benefit." Kicking someone when they're down and they have the balls to admit their wrong sure is a good way to change peoples minds though. I'm sure it feels great.

[QUOTE=Sitkero;53014712]And how exactly are they supposed to do that when there's such a huge divide between the two parties actively being widened by this smug, ego stroking, derisive 'lol get fucked degenerate scum' thing? Like way to put words in my mouth and go as far as you can from my point I don't want people to put on their kid gloves and suck those poor righties dicks to make them feel better about fucking up monumentally. I want people to start treating each other like [I]people[/I] and start working out how the fuck we're all supposed to pull together, stop falling for this partisan nonsense, stop others falling for this partisan nonsense, and actually start working towards some positive change[/QUOTE] The following changes to the U.S. government would fix corporate oligarchy as well as abhorrent reprerepresentation in Congress. 1. End gerrymandering forever. Districts drawn by computers using an open-source algorithm that properly divides districts for representation. 2. Make illegal bribery and lobbying. Includes Citizens United/Super PACs. If a congressperson needs information, they can use Google. Make illegal political advertisements, use that funding for debates and town halls. 3. End voter suppression. Automatic voter registration for all citizens at 18 years old. 4. End parties. George Washington predicted this outcome we've reached. All congresspeople are now identified by their stances on issues, all of which can be found on an easy-to-fibd government website. 5. Proper education. People like to claim "throwing money" at education doesn't change anything, which is often a fair assessment. Often, if you give money to a school, they'll use it for sports-related pursuits, seeking to gain achievement. There are long-standing issues with the education system. Anyway, regulating what the money is being used for, i.e. requiring it be used to reduce classroom size, hiring more teachers, etc. Things that actually help. And doing this more for areas deemed low-income would help more. 6. Time. Over time, the Boomers, a notably right-wing group of people, will cease to exist. 7. Congressional term limits. 10 Representative terms or 3 Senate terms. After serving up to term limits, they can still be appointed to higher positions. 8. Require all corporations to be politically neutral. Not moderate, neutral. As in, they cannot make political statements. This means political corporations would be slashed. (This one is likely infeasible) 9. Make illegal religious reasoning in policy-making. Though, with separation of church and state, shouldn't this already be illegal? Etc. Any one of those could bring massive positive change. And some of them will happen eventually.

literally hitler

[QUOTE=RenegadeCop;53015211]If I'm going to get economically and apparently climately (?) fucked because people can't educate themselves, the least I can get out of it is an "I told you so." I really have no sympathy for anyone who can't do extremely simple research before they cast a vote. The damage done is too great to treat them like a child. I hope this blight goes down in history as one of the biggest blunders in recent American history, so those who feel regret don't repeat the same mistake twice. We can't afford to have it happen twice.[/QUOTE] How are we going to avoid making the same mistake twice by demonizing the opposing side? Refusal to acknowledge any positive attributes of either side has yielded us the_donald among many other political echo chambers where nothing gets done. When was the last time someone persuaded you by calling you an idiot?

[QUOTE=RenegadeCop;53015292]In an online team-based game, when someone called me an idiot for really fucking up. [b]Although I knew I really fucked up before that, so I didn't need persuading.[/b] Are people not capable of learning from their own mistakes? How do they even need to be persuaded by others at this point? I don't consider it demonizing at all. I'm not calling them bad people, but I am saying they really fucked up, and they should feel bad about it. I thought that was basic learn-from-your-mistakes?[/QUOTE] The thing is - you already held the opinion, so as you stated, their attacks on your ideas aren't needed because you've already changed. Political opinions also tend to be a lot more deeply rooted and personal than what I imagine that example would have been. Currently the biggest problem the democrats are facing is that Trump has an extremely enthusiastic and supportive base that refuses to budge. They have already been called every insult in the book since 2015. The "deplorables" comment from Hillary certainly didn't help either. Virtually every credible book on persuasion says to do everything but directly attack somebody's views, because that just causes them to put up defensive barriers and get further entrenched in their own opinions. Just look at how politicians with relatively bipartisan appeal tend to be ones who campaign on positivity, and how salesmen and interrogation agents try to act like your best friend before getting what they want from you.

[QUOTE=RenegadeCop;53015211]If I'm going to get economically and apparently climately (?) fucked because people can't educate themselves, the least I can get out of it is an "I told you so." I really have no sympathy for anyone who can't do extremely simple research before they cast a vote. The damage done is too great to treat them like a child. I hope this blight goes down in history as one of the biggest blunders in recent American history, so those who feel regret don't repeat the same mistake twice. We can't afford to have it happen twice.[/QUOTE] The U.S. has quite a diverse range of people, Americans will learn from Trump's presidency, we won't make the same blunder twice. But when it comes to the dynamics of disorder, we'll make a different blunder. Maybe the future president will be a terrifyingly competent theocrat, or a extremely Machiavellian technocrat, or a enigmatic war hawk. Saying anyone is better than Trump is going to be a mistake. It will open a mine field for ideological extremes we never experience before.

[QUOTE=New Cidem;53014901]Look, I get it. You're really pulling for something positive here, I admire that quite a bit. Forgive me if I find it hard to sympathize with anyone who voted for our current President. It wasn't like the writing wasn't on the wall from day one, however. Anybody here want to fix their mistake next time? Do the proper research. Use unbiased sites and information when studying political candidates. Don't vote blue just because you voted Trump and he's now the worst President in US history. If you think voting for a Republican is the right choice [i]and that Republican does not openly admit to sexual abuse, does not engage in mudslinging, and does not openly chastise minorities, non-Christians, political dissenters, the mentally and physically disabled, and non-citizens,[/i] then by all means, they should get your vote. Here's the thing though, I shouldn't have to say that. It is not too much to ask of US voters to be properly informed and invested in our political process. When people fail to meet that most basic of expectations or allow themselves to get wrapped up in obvious misinformation and propaganda, well... again, I find it very hard to sympathize when it comes right back around and smacks them square in the face. I suppose you're more forgiving than I am after all the bullshit we've endured the last year or so.[/QUOTE] I think you're greatly underestimating the effort and fundamental knowledge needed to be politically aware.

I feel bad reading this because I’ve used that as a joke before. For the past few days it hasn’t got over -12c, and a couple times I’ve said “Fuck me global warming doesn’t seem so bad all of a sudden”. But now people are legit thinking that way and it makes me scream