• Kindergarden teacher stops boys from playing with Legos in the name of 'gender equity'
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[QUOTE=Zeke129;49137967]Kids will just choose the toys that they see their friends playing with. When a class of 5 year olds divides itself into one group playing with boy toys and another group playing with girl toys you're essentially reinforcing the idea that boys and girls are fundamentally different types of people in very impressionable minds. [/QUOTE] I don't think you know how fucking stupid that sounds. They're acting in a way that is natural to them. Boys and girls in general are different types of people.
[QUOTE=Ragekipz;49138930]I don't think you know how fucking stupid that sounds. They're acting in a way that is natural to them. Boys and girls in general are different types of people.[/QUOTE]Any time someone even suggests this, they get shot down for "biotruths". People are different on both individual scale and group scale. Sooner everyone realizes that instead of claiming otherwise, the better. Teacher should be fired and not allowed to teach kids any more, sexism is not acceptable, for any gender.
Fuck you, Karen.
If i ever have kids in the future, and have a teacher like this I would just say " Just ignore the teacher and go play with the Legos!". If we're going to allow teachers of this quality into our schools, the least we can do is educate them that men and women can play and work together alike.
Back in my day you had to bring your own toys.
[QUOTE=Ithon;49137027][i]Snake, we need to go deeper![/i][/QUOTE] You could've just posted this. [img]http://i.imgur.com/uQK4nxf.jpg[/img] [quote]The text is from 1974 and was a part of a pamphlet showing a variety of Lego doll house products targeted girls aged 4 and up. The text remains relevant to this day. Our focus has always been, and remains to bring creative play experiences to all children in the world, based on the Lego brick and the Lego system, ultimately enabling children to build and create whatever they can imagine. [/quote]
This is disgusting. I wrote a large post. but they sounded wrong in some level and didn't fit the current topic.
[QUOTE=Ragekipz;49139292]Back in my day you had to bring your own toys.[/QUOTE] But that would bring class inequality to light (as if kids from different social classes even go to the same kindergartens, yes), and we can't have that. Gotta shield the poor fuck from the cruel world until they're out of high school and into the environment of expensive [i]everything[/i] and having no job for prolonged periods of time.
[QUOTE=Ragekipz;49138930]I don't think you know how fucking stupid that sounds. They're acting in a way that is natural to them. Boys and girls in general are different types of people.[/QUOTE] Boys naturally like creative toys, ones where they make things. And girls naturally like toys with human faces, as they evolved to socialize more. That's why boys choose "action figures" and girls choose crayons, fake cooking sets, and dollhouses. :eng101s:
[QUOTE=Last or First;49139624] That's why boys choose "action figures" and girls choose crayons, fake cooking sets, and dollhouses. :eng101s:[/QUOTE]How is an action figure more creative than crayons?
[QUOTE=Ragekipz;49138930]I don't think you know how fucking stupid that sounds. They're acting in a way that is natural to them. Boys and girls in general are different types of people.[/QUOTE] What's so stupid about it?
[QUOTE=Hamaflavian;49139665]What's so stupid about it?[/QUOTE] Because the reason boys play with cars and action figures is not due to peer pressure.
"I know, to promote gender equity we should arbitrarily segregate the boys and girls during play time!" :hammered: I also liked this part from the article: [QUOTE]While the KIRO Radio host applauded the effort to improve math skills with girls, he maintained that Legos aren't a tool for a social statement, especially one where kids are thrown in the middle. "That's fine, but why deny boys that?" he said. "Even though I'm a father of girls and I'm a coach of girls, [B]why do we have to tear down boys to elevate girls?[/B] Why would we lie to boys and say ‘you're going to have a turn?'"[/QUOTE] Emphasis on bolded. You don't build equality by tearing men down and putting women in that place instead. True equality would be having enough Lego for all the kids to play with, and respecting their choices to play with whatever toys they choose to.
[QUOTE=EXPLOOOSIONS!;49139746] Emphasis on bolded. You don't build equality by tearing men down and putting women in that place instead. True equality would be having enough Lego for all the kids to play with, and respecting their choices to play with whatever toys they choose to.[/QUOTE] On another hand this is a good lesson for young boys as that's pretty much how most of them will be treated once they grow up.
[QUOTE=Last or First;49139624]Boys naturally like creative toys, ones where they make things. And girls naturally like toys with human faces, as they evolved to socialize more. [B]That's why boys choose "action figures" and girls choose crayons[/B], fake cooking sets, and dollhouses. :eng101s:[/QUOTE] Do you ever notice that "action figures" tend to not have very prominent faces while dolls do? Transformers are "action figures" and they don't even have faces. Now, I'm sure that there are girls who like Transformers, but for most girls it probably won't be their first choice.
[QUOTE=itisjuly;49139690]Because the reason boys play with cars and action figures is not due to peer pressure.[/QUOTE] What makes you so sure? I'm not discounting gender differences, just wondering why should one dismiss peer pressure as an additional factor.
Maybe its because the girls don't want to play with smelly boys and that the boys think the girls have cooties? Thats how it worked in my Kindergarten class
[QUOTE=Hamaflavian;49139936]What makes you so sure? I'm not discounting gender differences, just wondering why should one dismiss peer pressure as an additional factor.[/QUOTE] Because no one ever has given kids some toys they haven't used before and haven't seen their peers play with and looked what happened... Seriously none of you have children or have friends who have children? Give a girl who's few years old a toy car and a doll and see which one she'll play with. Most of the time a baby girl will choose the doll. Why is it so scary for some people to accept that there are little differences between genders? Our bodies are a bit different and sometimes these differences in our bodies will result in a different performance in a certain activity, some exercises are easier for men and some are easier for women. We know male and female brains are a bit different, why is unacceptable that it's going to result in an observable difference in performance in certain activities and/or behaviors?
[QUOTE=Kybalt;49139925]Do you ever notice that "action figures" tend to not have very prominent faces while dolls do? Transformers are "action figures" and they don't even have faces. Now, I'm sure that there are girls who like Transformers, but for most girls it probably won't be their first choice.[/QUOTE] Action Man and GI Joe are action figures and they have faces. Also guns and parachutes.
[QUOTE=Silly Sil;49140029]Because no one ever has given kids some toys they haven't used before and haven't seen their peers play with and looked what happened... Seriously none of you have children or have friends who have children? Give a girl who's few years old a toy car and a doll and see which one she'll play with. Most of the time a baby girl will choose the doll. Why is it so scary for some people to accept that there are little differences between genders? Our bodies are a bit different and sometimes these differences in our bodies will result in a different performance in a certain activity, some exercises are easier for men and some are easier for women. We know male and female brains are a bit different, why is unacceptable that it's going to result in an observable difference in performance in certain activities and/or behaviors?[/QUOTE] Did I not say right there that I wasn't discounting gender differences? The groundwork for toy choice in kids may very well be rooted in gender, I have no issue with that idea and I do in fact agree with it for the most part. But humans form peer groups, and they do that from a very early age, and peer groups inform interests. There's more truth to Zeke's idea than some of you are giving him credit for, and I think that the reason some of your are unwilling to give him that credit because you've identified him as an 'sjw', so anything he says is interpreted through the a priori assumption that he's a raving lunatic.
[QUOTE=Hamaflavian;49140105]Did I not say right there that I wasn't discounting gender differences? The groundwork for toy choice in kids may very well be rooted in gender, I have no issue with that idea and I do in fact agree with it for the most part. But humans form peer groups, and they do that from a very early age, and peer groups inform interests. There's more truth to Zeke's idea than some of you are giving him credit for, and I think that the reason some of your are unwilling to give him that credit because you've identified him as an 'sjw', so anything he says is interpreted through the a priori assumption that he's a raving lunatic.[/QUOTE] I wasn't even aware he posted in this thread before you mentioned it I've only read the replies. I actually assumed his post was yours so sorry if I was too harsh in my reply to you. Look I'm not saying that peer pressure doesn't exist. I'm just saying it's not 100% one thing or 100% the other thing. Maybe there is a girl who'd want to play with transformers action figure but she doesn't want to be looked down upon by other girls from her class so she plays with dolls with other girls. And maybe there is a girl who would with play dolls even if all other girls would be playing with toy cars and all the boys would be playing with dolls.
[QUOTE=V12US;49137482]The heads are yellow balls with no hair and black dots for eyes. The torsos and legs have no room for breasts or any other features to indicate the figure is a woman. How else are you going to make a figure look like a girl other than going for the lipstick routine? People's butthurt over these things has never made sense to me. [/QUOTE] Actually, i have plenty of women lego torsos and heads. They have cleavage, lipstick and makeup and even hair for the hat slot.
While peer pressure can be a factor for some kids, most of the factors are based on differences in biology. Of course there always are anomalies, but in general peer pressure is not a factor. If anything it's the opposite, the general mass creates peer pressure for the ones who do not fit the stereotype.
[QUOTE=Hamaflavian;49139936]What makes you so sure? I'm not discounting gender differences, just wondering why should one dismiss peer pressure as an additional factor.[/QUOTE] In the video I posted they show sheltered babies being drawn to toys that are meant to be gender specific. There's still debate over this though.
Here's an idea. How about supply the class with many types of fun educational activities for the kids, and let the kids interact with what they want to. Instead of trying to control the interests of others like some kind of asshole.
Reminds me of that school in Seattle that banned Lego to teach kids, in effect, "class based capitalism is bad"
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