• Emma 'Mattress Girl' Sulkowicz threatens to sue Newsweek for publishing accused's side of story
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[QUOTE=Aldawolf;49297610]false rape accusations are a nation wide crisis fuckin lmao Like you guys are so quick to shit on any women because apparently any women who claims someone raped her is an evil whore automatically, but if a man DARED claimed to be raped by a woman you guys would suck his dick off You accuse me of being so quick to defend the victim, what about you guys being so quick to defend the persecutor? Like really, you guys practically worship accused rapists.[/QUOTE] are you actually real oh sorry forgot the "lmao" lmao
[QUOTE=soulharvester;49297609]Is this the part where you cite some retarded statistic claiming that false rape accusations don't happen because only a tiny fraction of people are actually charged for making false allegations?[/QUOTE] Did you know the vast majority of rape cases also go unreported because of this toxic attitude!
[QUOTE=Aldawolf;49297610]false rape accusations are a nation wide crisis fuckin lmao Like you guys are so quick to shit on any women because apparently any women who claims someone raped her is an evil whore automatically, but if a man DARED claimed to be raped by a woman you guys would suck his dick off You accuse me of being so quick to defend the victim, what about you guys being so quick to defend the persecutor? Like really, you guys practically worship accused rapists.[/QUOTE] Innocent Until Proven Guilty.
[QUOTE=Aldawolf;49297801]Did you know the vast majority of rape cases also go unreported because of this toxic attitude![/QUOTE] Are you even trying anymore? Anyways, I found this interesting article about the recent rape cases you guys might find interesting: [url]https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-watch/wp/2015/06/02/why-do-high-profile-campus-rape-stories-keep-falling-apart/[/url]
[QUOTE=Aldawolf;49297523]You people are why rape victims are afraid to report it to the police [editline]11th December 2015[/editline] and people wonder why others say "Rape victims aren't taken seriously"[/QUOTE] her story doesn't make any sense.... i've lived in tiny college dorms, there is no privacy, certainly not on the very first day of college, there's no way you could rape someone in there without everyone hearing it. she had sex and then decided it was rape and spent the rest of her college life making a story about it even if you don't agree with the story the way universities handle rape is appalling and an affront to justice with a very one sided system of the accused having little recourse or defense, all before police even start an investigation
[QUOTE=The Party Spy;49297809]Innocent Until Proven Guilty.[/QUOTE] Ding ding ding, we have a winner! Come back when the guy has actually been convicted.
[QUOTE=Aldawolf;49297801]Did you know the vast majority of rape cases also go unreported because of this toxic attitude![/QUOTE] i will give you the benefit of the doubt and assume that the vast majroity of rape cases go unreported can you empirically prove that this is so because of "this toxic attitude" and not a combination of other factors such as fear, depression, hopelessness, etc.
[QUOTE=SGTNAPALM;49297834]i will give you the benefit of the doubt and assume that the vast majroity of rape cases go unreported can you empirically prove that this is so because of "this toxic attitude" and not a combination of other factors such as fear, depression, hopelessness, etc.[/QUOTE] I will also take Aldawolf's word on the majority of rapes going unreported, in fact it's something I already believed. But how is that in any way related to how one should consider the accusation of any crime? Is rape somehow special in that we should always take the accuser's word for it before any sort of proof is produced or fuck, maybe at least a story that remains consistent?
[QUOTE=Sableye;49297829]her story doesn't make any sense.... i've lived in tiny college dorms, there is no privacy, certainly not on the very first day of college, there's no way you could rape someone in there without everyone hearing it. she had sex and then decided it was rape and spent the rest of her college life making a story about it even if you don't agree with the story the way universities handle rape is appalling and an affront to justice with a very one sided system of the accused having little recourse or defense, all before police even start an investigation[/QUOTE] To be fair, not every rape has to include kicking and screaming, there's a lot of reasons it could have been quiet.
Aldawolf shitposting again, the world is in shock. I think it's good that she came forward to begin with but it's also great that it's being looked into instead of being taken immediately as fact and at this point, it really seems like she's trying hard to cover it up and keep it quiet, which is obviously super suspicious. False accusasions are on the rise and it'll lead to a lot of ruined lives if it's going to continue going unquestioned.
YEah like sorry if I was condescending, I just kind of hate this jerk of where people start dogpiling a girl who accused someone of rape, happened in that pornstar thread too, seen it happen a bunch on this forum, it's just leaves a bad taste in my mouth. You spout on about innocent until proven guilty, shouldn't that also be applied to the accuser?
[QUOTE=Aldawolf;49298107]YEah like sorry if I was condescending, I just kind of hate this jerk of where people start dogpiling a girl who accused someone of rape, happened in that pornstar thread too, seen it happen a bunch on this forum, it's just leaves a bad taste in my mouth. You spout on about innocent until proven guilty, shouldn't that also be applied to the accuser?[/QUOTE] Except in this situation it's the accuser that's directly in the wrong? Regardless of the circumstances surrounding the rape allegation, it is obviously fucked up to try and suppress the other side of the story, the accused has every right to defend themselves in the public eye seeing as his life was tarnished despite not being found guilty of any crime.
[QUOTE=Aldawolf;49298107]YEah like sorry if I was condescending, I just kind of hate this jerk of where people start dogpiling a girl who accused someone of rape, happened in that pornstar thread too, seen it happen a bunch on this forum, it's just leaves a bad taste in my mouth. You spout on about innocent until proven guilty, shouldn't that also be applied to the accuser?[/QUOTE] The literal only thing about this article that I have a problem with is that the girl is trying to censor the other side. I'm sure whatever she's going through is tough, but blatant censorship not only raises suspicion, but it also basically removes anyone's ability to take her seriously. Guilty or not, everyone has a right to freedom of speech. [QUOTE=minge-killer;49298147]Except in this situation it's the accuser that's directly in the wrong? Regardless of the circumstances surrounding the rape allegation, it is obviously fucked up to try and suppress the other side of the story, the accused has every right to defend themselves in the public eye seeing as his life was tarnished despite not being found guilty of any crime.[/QUOTE] This. Even if he is found innocent, his reputation is permanently ruined. So not only is she trying to censor his side of the story, if he's innocent, she ruined his entire life for no good reason other than petty revenge. That's fucked up.
-People above me said it better-
[QUOTE=Aldawolf;49298107]You spout on about innocent until proven guilty, shouldn't that also be applied to the accuser?[/QUOTE] I haven't followed this case much, but hasn't the accuser acted like a jerk before? The very fact that she's threatening Newsweek [I]just because[/I] one of their articles is slightly sympathetic towards the man she acuses of rape says a lot about her.
[QUOTE=Aldawolf;49297610]false rape accusations are a nation wide crisis fuckin lmao Like you guys are so quick to shit on any women because apparently any women who claims someone raped her is an evil whore automatically, but if a man DARED claimed to be raped by a woman you guys would suck his dick off You accuse me of being so quick to defend the victim, what about you guys being so quick to defend the persecutor? Like really, you guys practically worship accused rapists.[/QUOTE] Strawman, kafkatrapping, and generalizations. Wow, big shot. You really know what you're talking about!
[QUOTE=Aldawolf;49297523]You people are why rape victims are afraid to report it to the police [editline]11th December 2015[/editline] and people wonder why others say "Rape victims aren't taken seriously"[/QUOTE] Actually, matress girl is why rape victims get bad names at all. Why the fuck would you blame ANYONE else except the person who didnt get raped but called someone out as if they did and tried ruining their lives even after being proven wrong in court with hard evidence, evidence such as "Do me in the ass" No seriously, fucking explain yourself hotshot.
[QUOTE=Aldawolf;49298107]YEah like sorry if I was condescending, I just kind of hate this jerk of where people start dogpiling a girl who accused someone of rape, happened in that pornstar thread too[/QUOTE] We live in a culture where anybody accused of rape is assumed to be guilty by a large segment of the population and where people can lie about rape with ease. This is probably a reaction to that.
Wasn't the accused in this case able to prove, with multiple witnesses, that he was in Prague on the day the rape allegedly happened? That alone ought to be enough to clear his name, assuming I'm thinking of the right case here.
[QUOTE=Ekalektik_1;49298381]Wasn't the accused in this case able to prove, with multiple witnesses, that he was in Prague on the day the rape allegedly happened? That alone ought to be enough to clear his name, assuming I'm thinking of the right case here.[/QUOTE] A rape accusation is a VIP one-way ticket into Social Suicide town, these days
[QUOTE=Ekalektik_1;49298381]Wasn't the accused in this case able to prove, with multiple witnesses, that he was in Prague on the day the rape allegedly happened? That alone ought to be enough to clear his name, assuming I'm thinking of the right case here.[/QUOTE] There was like no evidence to support her claims, and she was put on a pedestal regardless due to the mattress stunt and all that. From what I'd heard, some members of her sorority put in false claims against him too, just to "support her" and were shot down quickly.
[QUOTE=Aldawolf;49297801]Did you know the vast majority of rape cases also go unreported because of this toxic attitude![/QUOTE] You don't actually know that. There isn't a single person in the world who knows what the actual number of unreported rape cases are, nor is there a single person in the world who knows what the actual number of false rape claims are. Yet that doesn't stop you from you from making shit up out of whole cloth. Why? because you believe it's true, so it must be true.
[QUOTE=Melkor;49298528]Yet that doesn't stop you from you from making shit up out of whole cloth. Why? because you believe it's true, so it must be true.[/QUOTE] "If I yell even louder, maybe they'll believe me."
[QUOTE=Solo Wing;49297498]Plus, doesn't this absolutely violate the idea of freedom of the press?[/QUOTE] No. As freedom of the press talks of government non intervention of the press. Civilians can and do interfere with the press all the time. It obviously gets a little muddy on the edges. A politician owning the press for instance and using it for instance.
[QUOTE=Aldawolf;49297610]false rape accusations are a nation wide crisis fuckin lmao Like you guys are so quick to shit on any women because apparently any women who claims someone raped her is an evil whore automatically, but if a man DARED claimed to be raped by a woman you guys would suck his dick off You accuse me of being so quick to defend the victim, what about you guys being so quick to defend the persecutor? Like really, you guys practically worship accused rapists.[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=Aldawolf;49297801]Did you know the vast majority of rape cases also go unreported because of this toxic attitude![/QUOTE] Holy shit i thought people like you were parodies.
I'm curious why would she sue for simply having both sides of the story told? you cannot make a full assessment of the situation without having both sides of the story.
She doesn't want her bullshit lies to fall apart
[QUOTE=Passing;49298692]I'm curious why would she sue for simply having both sides of the story told? you cannot make a full assessment of the situation without having both sides of the story.[/QUOTE] in the general case, because wanting to hear both sides implies that the accuser isn't automatically right in this case, because her story fell apart and it's pretty clear she lied
[QUOTE=Aldawolf;49298107]YEah like sorry if I was condescending, I just kind of hate this jerk of where people start dogpiling a girl who accused someone of rape, happened in that pornstar thread too, seen it happen a bunch on this forum, it's just leaves a bad taste in my mouth. You spout on about innocent until proven guilty, shouldn't that also be applied to the accuser?[/QUOTE] Yeah, that's the issue. See, for as much as everyone cries that we live in a Patriarchy, which to some extent is true, in some situations we still tend to put women on pedestals and demonize men. So almost every time, the accuser is just innocent and the accused is just guilty, no questions asked, even in cases like this where the evidence is clear. How is that fair? How is that right? We're not glorifying rape or worshipping rape accusers, as much as you wanna laugh and say false rape accusasions are a small thing, it's becoming an increasingly bigger issue, so it's good that it's finally being questioned.
[QUOTE=DeVotchKa;49298898]Yeah, that's the issue. See, for as much as everyone cries that we live in a Patriarchy, which to some extent is true, in some situations we still tend to put women on pedestals and demonize men. So almost every time, the accuser is just innocent and the accused is just guilty, no questions asked, even in cases like this where the evidence is clear. How is that fair? How is that right? We're not glorifying rape or worshipping rape accusers, as much as you wanna laugh and say false rape accusasions are a small thing, it's becoming an increasingly bigger issue, so it's good that it's finally being questioned.[/QUOTE] This. It's fucking ridiculous that we have to explain this, over and over again. No one is jumping at her throat for being a woman, it's because she's being a cunt about the whole ordeal, and this doesn't paint a pretty picture for her. Why else would she want to censor the accused? What could he possibly say that she doesn't want anyone to hear about?
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