Survey: Europeans back Muslim veil ban, Americans oppose - Polidicks

[QUOTE=Monkey pie;23303413]Well [b]when muslims demand[/b] us to start teaching Arab besides the Native language so that the immigrants dont need to learn the native language of that country they immigrated to, i usually sense something is wrong. jesus christ my grammar sucks dick, but i hope you understood what i wrote.[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=Monkey pie;23303482]around the rural areas where i live there was a [b]small local debate[/b] about it.[/QUOTE] Note to FP xenophobes: What a couple muslims did to come on the news in your area does not suddenly constitute a collective decision amongst muslims. Quite a few people that oppose islam seem to do this frequently. Around where I live (South jersey), racism and southerner imitations are quite prevalent amongst whites. We even have KKK members around here. Is it right for me to say that all whites in new jersey are like this? [editline]03:20PM[/editline] hell I bet if we had some liberals to blow up the issue in the media we could make them seem as scary as the muslims are portrayed as

[QUOTE=MrJazzy;23307970]I don't see why someone would look down on women because they wear veils.[/QUOTE] Islam immigrants do due another view on women, it's not about the people that want to wear burqa/niqab only those who get forced or simply got nothing to do with islam. I think restricting religious beliefs on women will bring down the rape waves caused by muslim immigrants in big parts of europe. Perhaps i'm to fascist, but you need to start somewhere.

[QUOTE=Brage Nyman;23309048]Islam immigrants do due another view on women, it's not about the people that want to wear burqa/niqab only those who get forced or simply got nothing to do with islam.[/QUOTE] Women aren't forced to wear Burqas, see Mr. Gestapo's reply? [QUOTE=starpluck;22955027]Women are not forced to wear a burqa. Saying otherwise is a myth that needs to die. [IMG]http://blogs.reuters.com/faithworld/files/2009/07/hijab-protest.jpg[/IMG] [IMG]http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2089/2214329861_00b10fb62e.jpg[/IMG] [IMG]http://img.timeinc.net/time/daily/2010/1004/belgium_headscarves_0401.jpg[/IMG] [IMG]http://www.islam-watch.org/Assets/Women-protest-supporting-veil-uk.jpg[/IMG] Next time someone says they are forced to wear it, punch him in the face.[/QUOTE]

I believe all religions are bad, and the veil should definitely be banned. It's one less wrong choice for people to make.

[QUOTE=Reaver1991;23309171]I believe all religions are bad, and the veil should definitely be banned. It's one less wrong choice for people to make.[/QUOTE] whatever we'll be here in the "right to make choices some kid on the internet says is wrong" section of the store [editline]12:40PM[/editline] [QUOTE=Monkey pie;23303482]around the rural areas where i live there was a small local debate about it.[/QUOTE] you say all muslims then you say small local debate how old are you [editline]12:41PM[/editline] [QUOTE=Regulas021;23305459]This thread is pretty emblematic of (one of the many reasons) why I left Europe in the first place.[/QUOTE] I agree. I love Europe and I miss people from there, but it can be such an angry and hateful place.

[QUOTE=Brage Nyman;23309048]Islam immigrants do due another view on women, it's not about the people that want to wear burqa/niqab only those who get forced or simply got nothing to do with islam. I think restricting religious beliefs on women will bring down the rape waves caused by muslim immigrants in big parts of europe. Perhaps i'm to fascist, but you need to start somewhere.[/QUOTE] What? So by banning veils immigrants will change their view on women?

[QUOTE=Reaver1991;23309171]I believe all religions are bad, and the veil should definitely be banned. It's one less wrong choice for people to make.[/QUOTE] yes. The government should make everyone's decisions for them. Let's also ban mcdonalds, alcohol, and sex without condoms. 3 fewer wrong choices for people to make.

That would be for the best.

[QUOTE=MrJazzy;23309747]What? So by banning veils immigrants will change their view on women?[/QUOTE] no it only serves to console the idiots who support the ban without providing any fundamental change (change that is not even necessary). Wanting to ban burqas is a poorly thought out reactionary action. These kinds of xenophobic reactionaries don't think about the actual consequences of the law, they just see something they don't like and say "AAA MAKE IT GO AWAY", regardless of whatever effect making it go away will have [editline]02:10PM[/editline] let me tell you what effect it will have. It is oppression. Oppression only serves to distance the oppressed (the muslims) from the oppressors (the non-muslims). Banning burqas won't help muslims to integrate, it will just create hostility and insularity

[QUOTE=Sigma-Lambda;23310032]let me tell you what effect it will have. It is oppression. Oppression only serves to distance the oppressed (the muslims) from the oppressors (the non-muslims). Banning burqas won't help muslims to integrate, it will just create hostility and insularity[/QUOTE] word

[QUOTE=Sigma-Lambda;23310032]no it only serves to console the idiots who support the ban without providing any fundamental change (change that is not even necessary). Wanting to ban burqas is a poorly thought out reactionary action. These kinds of xenophobic reactionaries don't think about the actual consequences of the law, they just see something they don't like and say "AAA MAKE IT GO AWAY", regardless of whatever effect making it go away will have [editline]02:10PM[/editline] let me tell you what effect it will have. It is oppression. Oppression only serves to distance the oppressed (the muslims) from the oppressors (the non-muslims). Banning burqas won't help muslims to integrate, it will just create hostility and insularity[/QUOTE] Was that post meant for me or something, because this... I dunno, I agree though.

I dont have a problem with most muslims just the cunts who live in the UK then bad mouth the country and insult our fallen heros.

[QUOTE=Sigma-Lambda;23310032]no it only serves to console the idiots who support the ban without providing any fundamental change (change that is not even necessary). Wanting to ban burqas is a poorly thought out reactionary action. These kinds of xenophobic reactionaries don't think about the actual consequences of the law, they just see something they don't like and say "AAA MAKE IT GO AWAY", regardless of whatever effect making it go away will have [editline]02:10PM[/editline] let me tell you what effect it will have. It is oppression. Oppression only serves to distance the oppressed (the muslims) from the oppressors (the non-muslims). Banning burqas won't help muslims to integrate, it will just create hostility and insularity[/QUOTE] Let islam continue have a poor view on women, let them keep the overrepresented of raping women outside their religion. I mean it's their right to do so, otherwise is racist and fascist. I mean 100% of all rapes 2008 in my city was committed by none western immigrants ofc it's easy to get pissed.

[QUOTE=Brage Nyman;23311498]Let islam continue have a poor view on women, let them keep the overrepresented of raping women outside their religion. I mean it's their right to do so, otherwise is racist and fascist. I mean 100% of all rapes 2008 in my city was committed by none western immigrants ofc it's easy to get pissed.[/QUOTE] But it does not have anything to do with the veil ban! Veils doesn't make people think less of women.

[QUOTE=Brage Nyman;23311498]I mean 100% of all rapes 2008 in my city was committed by none western immigrants ofc it's easy to get pissed.[/QUOTE] I'd like to see a source on that, if you don't mind.

[QUOTE=DamagePoint;23312982]I'd like to see a source on that, if you don't mind.[/QUOTE] what he doesn't tell is that 100% of all rapes were actually 41 rapes in total.

[QUOTE=SgtCr4zyAlt;23313227]what he doesn't tell is that 100% of all rapes were actually 41 rapes in total.[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=DamagePoint;23312982]I'd like to see a source on that, if you don't mind.[/QUOTE] [url]http://translate.google.se/translate?js=y&prev=_t&hl=sv&ie=UTF-8&layout=1&eotf=1&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.dagbladet.no%2F2009%2F04%2F15%2Fnyheter%2Fvoldtekt%2Finnenriks%2F5759702%2F&sl=no&tl=en[/url] Note that this is only in Oslo.

so we should punish everyone who comes from eastern countries because of something some individuals did, gotcha [editline]04:15PM[/editline] black people are more likely to commit crimes than white people. Let's take away some of their rights! [editline]04:15PM[/editline] people from norway are more likely to be bitter xenophobes than people from america. let's autoban everyone who says they're from norway

[QUOTE=Sigma-Lambda;23313592]so we should punish everyone who comes from eastern countries because of something some individuals did, gotcha [editline]04:15PM[/editline] black people are more likely to commit crimes than white people. Let's take away some of their rights! [editline]04:15PM[/editline] people from norway are more likely to be bitter xenophobes than people from america. let's autoban everyone who says they're from norway[/QUOTE] We should do nothing and let rape crime continue, gotcha. No i'm just pissed at all rapes in my city was made by immigrants from none western countries, and that americans tell me that it isn't a problem. If controlled and regulated immigration don't work what is the problem? Perhaps Scandinavian girls are to hot to resist.

[QUOTE=Brage Nyman;23313756]No i'm just pissed at all rapes in my city was made by immigrants from none western countries, and that americans tell me that it isn't a problem.[/QUOTE] i'm pretty sure it's a problem, just you're talking a whole bunch of bullshit and not really saying what you wanna do about it

[QUOTE=SgtCr4zyAlt;23313227]what he doesn't tell is that 100% of all rapes were actually 41 rapes in total.[/QUOTE] 41 rapes only in one city for a year seems like a lot. Granted, it is the capital (so I'm assuming biggest city), but it still means a lot, almost 3 per month.

[QUOTE=thisispain;23313848]i'm pretty sure it's a problem, just you're talking a whole bunch of bullshit and not really saying what you wanna do about it[/QUOTE] Oh there is a lot of things we can do, change their views on women, break up the islamic society inside the society, force placement to even up job and studies. But americans that tell me, you don't have a problem. You can't change them. That's racist. Pisses me off.

[QUOTE=Brage Nyman;23313923]change their views on women[/QUOTE] that's cultural, and you can't change it by force [QUOTE=Brage Nyman;23313923]break up the islamic society inside the society[/QUOTE] so make em angry, what a stupid idea [QUOTE=Brage Nyman;23313923]force placement to even up job and studies.[/QUOTE] that's actually not a bad idea but it won't do anything [QUOTE=Brage Nyman;23313923]But americans that tell me, you don't have a problem. You can't change them. That's racist. Pisses me off.[/QUOTE] i'm not even a fucking american

[QUOTE=Brage Nyman;23313539][url]http://translate.google.se/translate?js=y&prev=_t&hl=sv&ie=UTF-8&layout=1&eotf=1&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.dagbladet.no%2F2009%2F04%2F15%2Fnyheter%2Fvoldtekt%2Finnenriks%2F5759702%2F&sl=no&tl=en[/url] Note that this is only in Oslo.[/QUOTE] 27% of Oslo is comprised of immigrants. Oslo has a population of 590 000. (150 000 immigrants or so) I went through Wikipedia and manually crunched the numbers to discover that there are approximately 60 000 of these immigrants from primarily Muslim countries. The number is closer to 80 000 if you want to count ALL non-western countries. This has been rounded down. 11% of Oslo is Muslim so my estimates seem to fall right in the accurate zone. There were 41 rapes. To say that you have a problem with arabs raping people is preposterous and a blatantly erroneous generalization.

[QUOTE=thisispain;23313966] so make em angry, what a stupid idea [/QUOTE] Islamic Society in the Society is probably the biggest issue, in fact they are already angry. Just look at sweden. It's easy immigrant or not, if you dont got a job and can't get studies you will be pissed. CBN [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=55Gl-9lop_o[/media] Fox news "warning this is exaggerated it's fox news anyway". [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xYAm9Gv-Zcc[/media] [QUOTE=Zeke129;23314006]27% of Oslo is comprised of immigrants. Oslo has a population of 590 000. (150 000 immigrants or so) I went through Wikipedia and manually crunched the numbers to discover that there are approximately 60 000 of these immigrants from primarily Muslim countries. The number is closer to 80 000 if you want to count ALL non-western countries. This has been rounded down. 11% of Oslo is Muslim so my estimates seem to fall right in the accurate zone. There were 41 rapes. To say that you have a problem with arabs raping people is preposterous and a blatantly erroneous generalization.[/QUOTE] Half of the immigrants are from western countries. The rapes was made by none western immigrants. "yes that was in the report".

[QUOTE=Brage Nyman;23314039]Half of the immigrants are from western countries. The rapes was made by none western immigrants. "yes that was in the report".[/QUOTE] Alright, it was wrong of me to assume that'd you be able to interpret those statistics properly. So I'll put it in terms you can easily understand: When you break down my stats you will realize that [b][highlight]0.00068% of all Arabic immigrants are going to rape someone[/b][/highlight]. That's right. You are crusading against a group of people when only [b][highlight]0.00068%[/b][/highlight] of them are a problem. (41 rapes divided by 60 000 arabic immigrants = 6.83e-4 assuming ALL rapes were committed by arabs which they were not) You are a racist and that is all there is to it.

Then again, half of the immigrants are not from western countries. Most rapes was made by young male suspects from turkey or African countries. I never thought about that so it's a very specific group then.

[QUOTE=Brage Nyman;23314911]Then again, half of the immigrants are not from western countries. Most rapes was made by young male suspects from turkey or African countries. I never thought about that so it's a very specific group then.[/QUOTE] Okay, let's reassess the numbers and assume that ALL of the rapes were committed by Turkish and African immigrants. This reduces the immigrant pool to 19000. (Again, check Wikipedia if you wish to confirm my numbers. I totalled the immigrants from Turkey, Morocco, and Somalia and added a small number (less than 1000) to account for other African nations not listed) Upon recalculating, we find that [b][highlight]0.002%[/b][/highlight] of Turkish and African immigrants are rapists. That didn't help your cause.

This argument is not even about veils anymore, interesting though.

It's funny, I thought America was thought to be all "Herp-derp Republican", while Europe was Liberal and accepting. Now I just realize that most of Europe is just full of Muslim hating assholes and fuckers. Makes me glad I live in the U.S..