Survey: Europeans back Muslim veil ban, Americans oppose - Polidicks

[QUOTE=MingusMajor;23303062]Muslims are a race of people? You astound me with your cultural ignorance.[/QUOTE] Don't even start with semantics. You were insulting black people in another thread, it's already been firmly established what kind of person you are and what your agenda is.

[QUOTE=MingusMajor;23302953]So, the only thing your context proves is that us Kāfrs have a chance to save our hides by CONVERTING thus proving my earlier point.[/QUOTE] Oh wow you're terrible at arguing. Really. You can't just pick a part of a post and say why it's wrong. I just showed you the the full verse and explained what it means, but instead of arguing how the explanation is wrong, you ignore it by arguing the verse directly.

[QUOTE=starpluck;23303146]Oh wow you're terrible at arguing. Really. You can't just pick a part of a post and say why it's wrong. I just showed you the the full verse and explained what it means, but instead of arguing that you decided to focus on what I was explaining.[/QUOTE] So, what other part of the post vindicates the verse? [QUOTE=Zeke129;23303107]Don't even start with semantics. You were insulting black people in another thread, it's already been firmly established what kind of person you are and what your agenda is.[/QUOTE] It's not semantics, you've obviously got no clue about the rich and varied cultural fabric of muslim nations around the world who as I said earlier, are not majority Arab. [QUOTE=Habsburg;23303099]wow you're a bigoted piece of shit[/QUOTE] Why don't we keep this civil instead of flaming, hm?

[QUOTE=JDK721;23275745]how are they overtaking europe [editline]11:30AM[/editline] you're a racist[/QUOTE] Well when muslims demand us to start teaching Arab besides the Native language so that the immigrants dont need to learn the native language of that country they immigrated to, i usually sense something is wrong. jesus christ my grammar sucks dick, but i hope you understood what i wrote.

[QUOTE=Zeke129;23302650]Can I see the peer-reviewed scientific study that proves a causal link between immigrants seeing more than a women's eyes and rape please? Or are you just being racist again? (Because replacing "arabs" with "immigrants" doesn't do a very good job of hiding what you really mean)[/QUOTE] Stop being a total dick you know what we mean, banning burqa and niqab might aid to that islamic immigrants can accept women better one small step of many, also perhaps not necessary. We are already trying to change the mind of immigrants in Norway since they commit way way way more rape and crime overall. I come from oslo norway and 100% of rapes 2008 committed by immigrants so we got one big ass serious problem that needs to be fixed. [url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iN13ma9bc2k[/url]

[QUOTE=Habsburg;23303099]wow you're a bigoted piece of shit[/QUOTE] and you're a moron. I guess the both of you are equal.

[QUOTE=Monkey pie;23303413]Well when muslims demand us to start teaching Arab besides the Native language so that the immigrants dont need to learn the native language of that country they immigrated to, i usually sense something is wrong. jesus christ my grammar sucks dick, but i hope you understood what i wrote.[/QUOTE] When the hell does that happen? And you have to joking if you honestly think the immigrants would bother learning Arabic if they went to a Middle Eastern nation.

[QUOTE=MingusMajor;23303306]Why don't we keep this civil instead of flaming, hm?[/QUOTE] You first

[QUOTE=starpluck;23303470]When the hell does that happen? And you have to joking if you honestly think the immigrants would bother learning Arabic if they went to a Middle Eastern nation.[/QUOTE] around the rural areas where i live there was a small local debate about it.

[QUOTE=MingusMajor;23303306]So, what other part of the post vindicates the verse? [/QUOTE] [quote=Starpluck] The verse was quoted during a battle with the pagans. Lets say a US General said, "Whenever you find Vietnamese, kill them." and I quoted him without giving him the context, it will make him sound like a butcher. But if I quote him in context, that he said it during a war, it will sound very logical, as he was trying to boost the morale of the American soldiers during the war. The full info is [URL="http://www.load-islam.com/artical_det.php?artical_id=414&subsection=Misconceptions#9"]here[/URL] before you try to tell me why it's wrong, not enough etc.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Monkey pie;23303447]and you're a moron. I guess the both of you are equal.[/QUOTE] says the guy with a facepunch avatar

[QUOTE=starpluck;23303470]When the hell does that happen? And you have to joking if you honestly think the immigrants would bother learning Arabic if they went to a Middle Eastern nation.[/QUOTE] mostly second generation immigrants.

[QUOTE=starpluck;23303470]When the hell does that happen? And you have to joking if you honestly think the immigrants would bother learning Arabic if they went to a Middle Eastern nation.[/QUOTE] I'm actually going to learn Arabic and Urdu. Kind of a workplace requirement. Also, you're saying Mohammed or whoever wrote that particular verse was trying to motivate the soldiers of Islam in their campaign of conquest against infidels like ourselves? That makes it so much better.

[QUOTE=Habsburg;23303498]says the guy with a facepunch avatar[/QUOTE] oh no, you totally destroyed my self esteem now

[QUOTE=Monkey pie;23303482]around the rural areas where i live there was a small local debate about it.[/QUOTE] I don't mind teaching foreign languages, in fact, its required to know a second language to graduate. (I don't know about the British system) And like I said, no one would bother learning Arabic if they went to Dubai.

[QUOTE=starpluck;23303537]I don't mind teaching foreign languages, in fact, its required to know a second language to graduate. (I don't know about the British system) And like I said, no one would bother learning Arabic if they went to Dubai.[/QUOTE] We're already teaching: English and Spanish, German or French. There is no space in the education program or whatever they call it to put a new language in there.

I just want to ask, why did the rapists rape the women. If it's related to their religion and all that, I would think that they'd just kill them instead of raping them.

[QUOTE=Monkey pie;23303583]We're already teaching: English and Spanish, German or French. There is no space in the education program or whatever they call it to put a new language in there.[/QUOTE] Well, if there's no space like you claimed, then Arabic can't be added. If there is, I don't see the problem, don't choose it.

[QUOTE=starpluck;23303537]And like I said, no one would bother learning Arabic if they went to Dubai.[/QUOTE] Why not? When you are immigrating to another country with a different language it seems stupid to not learn their language, and even more stupid to ask the native population to learn your language instead of you learning theirs.

[QUOTE=BurnEmDown;23303624]I just want to ask, why did the rapists rape the women. If it's related to their religion and all that, I would think that they'd just kill them instead of raping them.[/QUOTE] Because they wanted to get with some hot Norwegian babes? I hear rape was declared a weapon of war or something like that by the UN a while ago. Now could we get back on the subject? I also like how the only ones who don't approve of curbing Islam in Europe don't live there.

[QUOTE=MingusMajor;23303510] Also, you're saying Mohammed or whoever wrote that particular verse was trying to motivate the soldiers of Islam in their campaign of conquest against infidels like ourselves? That makes it so much better.[/QUOTE] Jesus. Do you have problems reading? The pagans were currently at war with them, thus the verse was written for that war only.

[QUOTE=starpluck;23303942]Jesus. Do you have problems reading? The pagans were currently at war with them, thus the verse was written for that war only.[/QUOTE] And I suppose as a doctor of Islamic jurisprudence and a highly influential professor of theology you're qualified to make that statement? If it's in the book, I'm sure it's applicable to contemporary situation. Like for example, [B]the war between muslims and pagans[/B]?

[QUOTE=MingusMajor;23304072]And I suppose as a doctor of Islamic jurisprudence and a highly influential professor of theology you're qualified to make that statement? [/quote] No, you tend to learn a lot more things if you go researching instead of being a bigot [quote]If it's in the book, I'm sure it's applicable to contemporary situation. Like for example, [B]the war between muslims and pagans[/B]?[/QUOTE] Yeah, the verse was made only for the between Pagans and Muslims, hence when the forbidden months pass. You seem to think it applies whenever and wherever.

This thread is pretty emblematic of (one of the many reasons) why I left Europe in the first place. As far as my experiences have taught me, Europe is literally decades behind the United States in terms of racial tolerance. I don't necessarily know if there are more racists in Europe or in America, but it's a hell of a lot more socially acceptable to be prejudiced. My English teacher, one of the most intelligent men I knew, once went on an hour long tirade about how Muslims were going to wreck our way of life. If a respectable man did something like this in the US most of the time he's considered a lunatic and stripped of credibility. During my 6 month nightmarish stint in Moscow, someone, for the first time in my life, seriously tried to convince me that the Jews controlled the worlds governments and led us into political strife for their own gains. Really it just proved to me that the assertion that any group of people is superior intellectually based on their continent of birth is fucking absurd. People are people.

[QUOTE=Monkey pie;23303413]Well when muslims demand us to start teaching Arab besides the Native language so that the immigrants dont need to learn the native language of that country they immigrated to, i usually sense something is wrong.[/QUOTE] Bilingual schools are way more common than you think, and are actually not indicating that someone is doing anything wrong. [QUOTE=Regulas021;23305459]This thread is pretty emblematic of (one of the many reasons) why I left Europe in the first place. As far as my experiences have taught me, Europe is literally decades behind the United States in terms of racial tolerance. I don't necessarily know if there are more racists in Europe or in America, but it's a hell of a lot more socially acceptable to be prejudiced. My English teacher, one of the most intelligent men I knew, once went on an hour long tirade about how Muslims were going to wreck our way of life. If a respectable man did something like this in the US most of the time he's considered a lunatic and stripped of credibility. During my 6 month nightmarish stint in Moscow, someone, for the first time in my life, seriously tried to convince me that the Jews controlled the worlds governments and led us into political strife for their own gains. Really it just proved to me that the assertion that any group of people is superior intellectually based on their continent of birth is fucking absurd. People are people.[/QUOTE] I'm glad I haven't experienced anything similar to that.

[QUOTE=Brage Nyman;23303417]Stop being a total dick you know what we mean, banning burqa and niqab might aid to that islamic immigrants can accept women better one small step of many, also perhaps not necessary. We are already trying to change the mind of immigrants in Norway since they commit way way way more rape and crime overall. I come from oslo norway and 100% of rapes 2008 committed by immigrants so we got one big ass serious problem that needs to be fixed. [url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iN13ma9bc2k[/url][/QUOTE] I don't see why someone would look down on women because they wear veils.

[QUOTE=Brage Nyman;23303417]Stop being a total dick you know what we mean, banning burqa and niqab might aid to that islamic immigrants can accept women better one small step of many, also perhaps not necessary. We are already trying to change the mind of immigrants in Norway since they commit way way way more rape and crime overall. I come from oslo norway and 100% of rapes 2008 committed by immigrants so we got one big ass serious problem that needs to be fixed. [url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iN13ma9bc2k[/url][/QUOTE] You could have retained what little validity your argument had left by distancing yourself from the "burqas make muslims rape women" argument, but you didn't. Now you're just arguing the same thing that MingusMajor was. When you say 100% of rapes, how many rapes is that? An actual number, please.

[QUOTE=Regulas021;23305459]As far as my experiences have taught me, Europe is literally decades behind the United States in terms of racial tolerance.[/QUOTE] It's taken us two centuries of bloody and terrifying conflict to reach this point and a lot of people seem to forget that.

Maybe if more robbers started wearing Islamic veils, etc, people would understand why the ban was suggested. Nice to see that a lot of people here are as retarded as the masses and think that religion has something to do with this. If they ban hoodies in malls, then I don't see why the same cant be said of religous headwear.

[QUOTE=cyanidem;23308515]Maybe if more robbers started wearing Islamic veils, etc, people would understand why the ban was suggested. Nice to see that a lot of people here are as retarded as the masses and think that religion has something to do with this. If they ban hoodies in malls, then I don't see why the same cant be said of religous headwear.[/QUOTE] What dumbass mall bans hoodies