[QUOTE=codenamecueball;41951778]
[URL]http://www.theguardian.com/media/2013/mar/10/anti-page-3-the-sun-campaigner[/URL][/QUOTE]
I heard about this actually, didn't actually bother google the story.
But then as I said before it. They should at least censor the front page. And relating all these magazines to rape is stupid in a way. Wouldn't it keep rape down? If men watch/look at porn, this would stop men going out and attacking a girl, right? Like the Gov trying to block videos of rape, I am not saying I watch this, but if men want to watch this then it would stop men going out and doing it themselves.
Oh and we all have sex at one point so what's the harm of having 'lad mags'
[QUOTE=SCopE5000;41951870]Well the definition of 'healthy attitudes' varies depending on location/ time and the beliefs about it.
Right now, in the west, we're in this odd post-religious-dictatorship limbo where nudity/porn/sex is taboo to a lot of people.
[I]'Oh no the boobies'[/I] is completely pathetic. All the lust and unhealthy attitude you speak of came about [b]because[/b] of sexual repression.
Sexual repression = repressing what humans naturally did a lot more freely and openly than we currently do. AKA what religion did.
Did cavemen stand, mouths agape at boobies and penis being waved around or complain to mommy? No. It wasn't an issue because no-one had invented the issue back then.
In Ancient Greece everyone strode around naked and nobody gave a fuck (apart from a literal one). It was just the done thing at the time.[/QUOTE]
this isn't the point i was getting it.
i'm saying the over-sexualisation of women and the whole rape culture shite they keep in force is doing the damage, not the fact they put boobies on display.
it's pretty obvious from the backlash here that i won't convince anybody, that's okay. i've said my piece, and i'll bow out now.
[editline]24th August 2013[/editline]
[QUOTE=Ultradar;41951881]I heard about this actually, didn't actually bother google the story.
But then as I said before it. They should at least censor the front page. And relating all these magazines to rape is stupid in a way. Wouldn't it keep rape down? If men watch/look at porn, this would stop men going out and attacking a girl, right? Like the Gov trying to block videos of rape, I am not saying I watch this, but if men want to watch this then it would stop men going out and doing it themselves.[/QUOTE]
[url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rape_culture[/url]
Back in 2004 and 2005 I actually just sat in Tesco's in Sunderland and just started reading through both Nuts and Zoo.
Nobody said anything.
I was something like 7 or 8 at the time. I kept doing it for quite some time and nobody said diddly fuck.
[QUOTE=codenamecueball;41951887]
[url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rape_culture[/url][/QUOTE]
Please explain this. I don't really know what that has to do with what I was saying?
[QUOTE=codenamecueball;41951859]is this you trying to turn it around so that i am actually the one being the sexist?
i dunno your point wasn't very clear.
but yes i understand the fundamental fact that [I]sex is fun.[/I]
however, rape culture, the normalisation of taking control from women and the belief that "every woman is up for it, you just need to convince her" is the problem. lads mags further this. sure, you are all clever enough to separate fantasy from reality, but not everyone is.
if this is your main form of media and knowledge on the opposite sex, and all you're being told is that women love sex you just need to make them want it, you think that isn't gonna cause some damage?
for example, a friend of mine tried to get a girl drunk so she would have sex with him at a party. he planned this ahead, kept getting her drunk. eventually it didn't work (because she realised what was going on) but he believed that removing her ability to consent freely was perfectly fine, and he didn't see the problem when we confronted him about it.
[editline]24th August 2013[/editline]
if you can consume it harmlessly, no.
but if you take it as it is and consume irresponsibly, yes.[/QUOTE]
It's just a magazine with soft core pornography. People like sex and always will. This is the same argument made against violent video games and other media, playing Manhunt doesn't make you into a murder, reading fifty shades of grey doesn't make you a rapist and looking at very tame soft-core pornography in magazines also doesn't make you a rapist either. If someone is incapable of separating fantasy from reality then they're mentally ill and limiting their exposure to certain forms of media won't change that they would need professional help. Just because some people are mentally ill doesn't mean we should censor everything that could potentially effect them, because this could be used to justify the censorship of almost anything.
Put mags with male nudity on the shelf and call it equality
[QUOTE=wraithcat;41951579]The difference is, that you need to actively seek them out online. On the other hand, them being in shops leads to a lot of uh unwanted exposure.[/QUOTE]
Really? They are for the most part hidden away on top of shelves behind plastic covers. On the "interwebs" you simply type into Google a porn or soft-core porn related keyword and your off. I would most certainly have more difficultly finding and obtaining a soft-core porn magazine from Tesco's than taking out my Smartphone or going on the nearest and free computer to do a Google search for it.
You also have to actively seek them out in the Tesco stores than going on the internet where you have a much significantly higher chance of being exposed to such soft-core porn without "actively seeking it out".
[QUOTE=SCopE5000;41951730][I]'Smash her on a park bench'[/I] just sounds like lad banter.
There's plenty of girls out there who would love being smashed on a park bench.[/QUOTE]
Yeah but what may come across as banter may come across to impressionable teenagers as the proper way or terminology to go about things
I for one don't think lads mags are inherently wrong per se, but much of the content in them definitely has an agenda for what they think makes a "real"(lol) man and objectifying women, the two often correlating
AskMen alone reeks of it:
[URL]http://uk.askmen.com/dating/curtsmith_60/97_dating_advice.html[/URL]
[URL]http://uk.askmen.com/money/mafioso_60/98_mafia.html[/URL]
[URL]https://sites.google.com/site/datingtipspplus/dating-tips-04/practical-ways-to-control-women[/URL] (the author was p much shamed into taking this one down, but people still saved and uploaded it to rub it in)
Womens mags may not be totally exempt, but this I feel is the bigger problem because, AFAIK, the male side has a vastly bigger amount of bullshit down to a science
The softcore porn however, I don't really care about that, guys and gals mags have just as much of that floating around as each other
[QUOTE=meppers;41951995]Put mags with male nudity on the shelf and call it equality[/QUOTE]
They already exist, I mentioned QX and Boyz earlier in the thread. But magazines like Heat, Closer and other celebrity gossip magazines also regularly depict male and female celebrities in overtly sexual ways.
[QUOTE=codenamecueball;41951887]this isn't the point i was getting it.
i'm saying the over-sexualisation of women and the whole rape culture shite they keep in force is doing the damage, not the fact they put boobies on display.[/QUOTE]
If this was like Ancient Greece you'd go to a nightclub and get condoms on the door, everyone would be naked, and you'd just dance up to chicks and have sex. That'd pretty much be the point of nightclubs because that is the point of nightclubs. Pretend they're 'social communes' all you like, the end result of social interaction with members of the opposite sex, is sex, and the point of nightclubs is socializing with members of the opposite sex.
What happens instead in today's society is you have guys anxious and unable to meet girls and enjoy sex.
You have girls worried about being branded sluts who can't enjoy sex either.
Everyone's trying to impress everyone into bed and it's full of lust and jealousy.
That's a great catalyst for fighting, violence, aggression, anger and rape right there.
People get into shitty 'relationships' which fall apart because it's all based around impression & imagery and false ideals about what 'love' is.
Being sexually repressed for so long makes everyone lustful and edgy, because everyone wants sex but no-ones enjoying it as much or as freely as they should.
As a result you get these up-skirt photographers, voyeurs and stalkers, hatred towards homosexuals and an abundance of all this weird shit happening, because they likely couldn't meet anyone and became weird like that after years of no-sex.
The balance is just messed up. If suddenly things changed, it'd be crazy for a while as everyone rushed around doing nothing [B]BUT[/B] fucking. Within a few generations the equilibrium would be restored and people would be more chill again.
Buying porn in stores is dumb and making other people touch your dirty magazines is kind of a dick move?? So I don't really have a problem with this
Most feminists are against magazines that sexualize and objectify men too btw you're just generalizing based on radfems
Oh shut up, if you don't like it, ignore it. It's not hurting anyone but those who let it bother them. These women aren't exactly forced into posing, and for 1,000's of dollars, you bet your ass I'd model if I had the body and such. Easy money, this seems like women just getting angry over nothing, like usual. [sp] People really though, just had to take a poke of fun at the ladies. [/sp]
Btw this was directed at the OP so noone else think I'm telling them to "shut up" haha
this one time i read zoo magazine and i turned in to a serial rapist
i'm even raping myself right now
make it stop!!
[QUOTE=Noss;41952138]
i'm even raping myself right now
make it stop!![/QUOTE]
Self rape is the worst kind.
Don't forget Maxwoman then.
[QUOTE=Noss;41952138]this one time i read zoo magazine and i turned in to a serial rapist
i'm even raping myself right now
make it stop!![/QUOTE]
Call one of your local feminist superheroes. She can follow you, and whenever you feel the urge, she will hit you with her Misogy-knee.
[QUOTE=Ultradar;41952196]Self rape is the worst kind.[/QUOTE]
It gets pretty boring after a while, it's like I know when it's coming, the surprise just isn't there anymore.
The covers are censored here in the US.
It's all so subjective though, the only porno mag I've read was a playboy and the articles were either pornstar interviews or about some serious issue like the syrian conflict which was a bit weird.
I just want them gone full stop. They're shit.
[QUOTE=BAZ;41951656]I'd be more worried about celeb gossip mags than a pair of boobs.
Some of the stuff in those is terrible[/QUOTE]
Gossip magazines practically goad the paparazzi into stalking celebrities just so they can get a cheap laugh.
[QUOTE=Aidan_088;41951649]What difference does it make? It's just depictions of the human body, even if you come across it accidentally what harm could it possibly cause?[/QUOTE]
Personally I'm not opposed to their sale. But I do agree that they should either be held seperately so you have to ask for them, or they ought to be in black covers.
[QUOTE=wraithcat;41953226]Personally I'm not opposed to their sale. But I do agree that they should either be held seperately so you have to ask for them, or they ought to be in black covers.[/QUOTE]
can we put men's health away then too
because that has topless men on it, makes me feel uncomfortable about my flabby exterior
It's a stretch to say that these a horribly oppressive and do nothing but promote rape (it's like saying that video games do nothing but promote violence) but they still should have censored covers or be taken off the main shelves nonetheless.
It's awkward when you're trying to find a gaming magazine in a badly organized shelf full of lads mags.
[QUOTE=SCopE5000;41951730][I]'Smash her on a park bench'[/I] just sounds like lad banter.
There's plenty of girls out there who would love being smashed on a park bench.[/QUOTE]
"there's a lot of women who would love-"
please
please no
[QUOTE=SCopE5000;41952033]If this was like Ancient Greece you'd go to a nightclub and get condoms on the door, everyone would be naked, and you'd just dance up to chicks and have sex. That'd pretty much be the point of nightclubs because that is the point of nightclubs. Pretend they're 'social communes' all you like, the end result of social interaction with members of the opposite sex, is sex, and the point of nightclubs is socializing with members of the opposite sex.
What happens instead in today's society is you have guys anxious and unable to meet girls and enjoy sex.
You have girls worried about being branded sluts who can't enjoy sex either.
Everyone's trying to impress everyone into bed and it's full of lust and jealousy.
That's a great catalyst for fighting, violence, aggression, anger and rape right there.
People get into shitty 'relationships' which fall apart because it's all based around impression & imagery and false ideals about what 'love' is.
Being sexually repressed for so long makes everyone lustful and edgy, because everyone wants sex but no-ones enjoying it as much or as freely as they should.
As a result you get these up-skirt photographers, voyeurs and stalkers, hatred towards homosexuals and an abundance of all this weird shit happening, because they likely couldn't meet anyone and became weird like that after years of no-sex.
The balance is just messed up. If suddenly things changed, it'd be crazy for a while as everyone rushed around doing nothing [B]BUT[/B] fucking. Within a few generations the equilibrium would be restored and people would be more chill again.[/QUOTE]
You are unbelievably disconnected from reality
i'm fine with softporn mags being sold in stores as long as they're well out of the sight of kids and folks who want nothing to do with them. you know, in a place where they have to be actively searched for by people who want them.
i've seen some of these types of magazines (one was maxim and one about tattoos that i don't necessarily think was porn but had women showing their tattoos that happened to be in intimate places) and they usually have plastic covers on them that conceal the actual cover and make it so you can't leaf through it at the magazine stand. they seemed effective enough.
but the fact that these folks are in the streets over it pretty much means goodbye dirty mags.
[QUOTE=Aidan_088;41951631]It never ceases to amaze me how completely out of touch feminists are; Is soft-core pornography in magazines really their primary concern? Even if they were censored what difference would it make? There's a lot of porn on the internet.[/QUOTE]
misses the point
[QUOTE=BAZ;41951656]I'd be more worried about celeb gossip mags than a pair of boobs.
Some of the stuff in those is terrible[/QUOTE]
Apparently having women pose willingly on nudie magazines is worse than some creepo following random people 24/7 and take pictures of them doing anything for thousands of bucks.
[QUOTE=teh pirate;41953498]You are unbelievably disconnected from reality[/QUOTE]
He raised a lot of good points. Why dismiss them completely and label him incompetent instead of refuting them?
[editline]24th August 2013[/editline]
[QUOTE=Ganerumo;41957311]Apparently having women pose willingly on nudie magazines is worse than some creepo following random people 24/7 and take pictures of them doing anything for thousands of bucks.[/QUOTE]
Welcome to the West, may I take your coat?
[editline]24th August 2013[/editline]
[QUOTE=Tacosheller;41952098]Most feminists are against magazines that sexualize and objectify men too btw you're just generalizing based on radfems[/QUOTE]
I don't understand this mindset. What is so inherently bad about sex that warrants such vehement negativity towards it? Is it objectification? Because that's a completely natural behavior among both sexes...
I rather like this video, she sums up the issue really well
[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d-N9daqANcw[/media]
[QUOTE=Aidan_088;41951675]There's also lots of gay magazines like QX and Boyz that regularly post extremely provocative pictures of men, no one ever brings these up in the censorship discussion. Why are depictions of sexualised women bad but sexualised men okay?[/QUOTE]
Speaking of Boyz, are these feminists looking into getting these kinda mags out of doctors offices?
[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sZb3JesBN7c[/media]
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