UK Muslim protest group banned - supporters could face 10 years - Polidicks

[QUOTE=matt.ant;33215434]Swearing is illegal in a way. You can be arrested for swearing in public, it's a public order offence.[/QUOTE] Yeah but I don't think that is used in the sense I was thinking, that seems to be more to stop people who are shouting and swearing in public after being told to stop.

[QUOTE=Contag;33215362]okay so it's fine to support state terrorism, and have your state deal with terrorists and fund them and train them, but it's not okay to glorify terrorism yeah sure Britain[/QUOTE] Which terrorists have we been supporting then hmm?

[QUOTE=matt.ant;33215434]Swearing is illegal in a way. You can be arrested for swearing in public, it's a public order offence.[/QUOTE] what a fucking cunt move there is a whole section on swearing in our citizenship test

[QUOTE=SilentOpp;33215472]Wow, a disturbing amount of groups on that list have something to do with Islam. Must be the religion to use as an excuse these days. Even past all of this, it is still a 'protest' group, it even says in the article. The only reason they aren't allowed to protest is because their beliefs aren't shared by the rest of the UK.[/QUOTE] Muslims against crusades is [I]apparently[/I] another name of two proscribed groups that "disseminates materials that glorify acts of terrorism". I dunno if this makes them more of a protest group.

[QUOTE=SilentOpp;33215472]Wow, a disturbing amount of groups on that list have something to do with Islam. Must be the religion to use as an excuse these days. Even past all of this, it is still a 'protest' group, it even says in the article. The only reason they aren't allowed to protest is because their beliefs aren't shared by the rest of the UK.[/QUOTE] Inciting hatred and supporting terrorism is going further than their beliefs not being shared.

[QUOTE=Mort and Charon;33215496]Which terrorists have we been supporting then hmm?[/QUOTE] Possibly the Libyan Islamic Fighting Group. They are (under UK law) a group of terrorists, and I would not be surprised if the British government has helped them in the past few months.

[QUOTE=Mort and Charon;33215496]Which terrorists have we been supporting then hmm?[/QUOTE] supported Islamist terrorists to overthrow Gaddafi Gamaa al-Islamiya provided political asylum in Britain overthrow of Congo government 1961 overthrow of Iran government 1953 other stuff from memory but I should not be using facepunch instead of working [editline]11th November 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=Mort and Charon;33215496]Which terrorists have we been supporting then hmm?[/QUOTE] oh we all supported the Northern Alliance

10 years is a bit fucking much, no?

[QUOTE=Red scout?;33215839]10 years is a bit fucking much, no?[/QUOTE] im sure it will be lowered when they feel there "human rights" have been breached

Anjem Choudary should set up a Cubs or Girl Guides type organisation next time. Doesn't have much luck with these far right Islamic groups does he.

I don't like this, when you start banning any kind of speech you get into muddy water. Hell you could even just pick out random minority political groups and say they were "inciting hatred" and you could make a case for it.

[QUOTE=Jawalt;33216385]I don't like this, when you start banning any kind of speech you get into muddy water. Hell you could even just pick out random minority political groups and say they were "inciting hatred" and you could make a case for it.[/QUOTE] they glorify terrorist leaders and have been proven to have links with terrorists and have active terrorists in their ranks. I think the safety of the general population comes above freedom of speech

[QUOTE=Gareth;33216991]I think the safety of the general population comes above freedom of speech[/QUOTE] And that's when the thread really kicked off

[QUOTE=Jawalt;33216385]I don't like this, when you start banning any kind of speech you get into muddy water. Hell you could even just pick out random minority political groups and say they were "inciting hatred" and you could make a case for it.[/QUOTE] Speech isn't being banned, a group is just being classed as a terror organisation now. Their members could still go out and say their message, it will just be illegal to be a member of or support them.

To me it depends how "active" this "terrorist group" is. If they're just saying terroristy stuff and have that belief then I think it infringes on their rights but if they're actually a danger to the populace then it's fine. The article doesn't make it clear which one though.

[QUOTE=Jsm;33217062]Speech isn't being banned, a group is just being classed as a terror organisation now. Their members could still go out and say their message, it will just be illegal to be a member of or support them.[/QUOTE] I guess they're going to have to rename themselves and wait another few years before they are classified again!

[QUOTE=Jsm;33215197]Free speech is fine till you start offending the majority of people, then it should be controlled.[/QUOTE] Why? "YOU OFFENDED ME, SEE YOU IN 10 YEARS SUCKER" What kind of horse shit is that? I mean if you don't believe in freedom of speech that's fine, but you have to at least recognize how moronic saying "if you offend a bunch of people you go to jail!!" is. That's not free speech, that's "say what we want to hear, or you are imprisoned". This law is horse shit. It's a violation of free speech based solely in your own opinions, and while I agree that these people are probably bags of shit, they deserve to speak their mind, just like [b]you[/b] deserve to give them a piece of your mind. Saying "ohhh theyre just banning the group, dont worry!" is even dumber, considering the members will just reorganize and create a new group and keep preaching their shit. This law is founded purely in fear and an irrational and poorly planned attempt at appeasing the general public who disapprove of this band of fools.

[QUOTE=Kopimi;33217545]Why? "YOU OFFENDED ME, SEE YOU IN 10 YEARS SUCKER" What kind of horse shit is that? I mean if you don't believe in freedom of speech that's fine, but you have to at least recognize how moronic saying "if you offend a bunch of people you go to jail!!" is. That's not free speech, that's "say what we want to hear, or you are imprisoned". This law is horse shit. It's a violation of free speech based solely in your own opinions, and while I agree that these people are probably bags of shit, they deserve to speak their mind, just like [b]you[/b] deserve to give them a piece of your mind. Saying "ohhh theyre just banning the group, dont worry!" is even dumber, considering the members will just reorganize and create a new group and keep preaching their shit. This law is founded purely in fear and an irrational and poorly planned attempt at appeasing the general public who disapprove of this band of fools.[/QUOTE] Firstly did you bother to read the edit in my post or the multiple other posts I made in this thread where I clarified what I meant when I said that? As for "this law" do you even know what the law is and what its actual purpose is? Its not something that exists to take away peoples right to say things. It is being used for its actual purpose here, the group (Muslims against crusades) actively supports and encourages terrorism. The individual people can go around spurting whatever bullshit they want (till they start inciting hatred then that's another thing entirely), but supporting the group is illegal, in the exact same way supporting the IRA or Al Qaeda is illegal.

Some of you people are taking this defend freedom of speech shit too far. It's like some of you would die from a heart attack if you were picked up and placed back in the 40s during during the second world war. You think banning a protest lead by your ENEMIES is bad? Maybe some of you forgot, or don't even know, that in world war 1 and 2, the united states created prison camps and threw any japanese ore german citizen, even if they were rightfull a citizen of the united states, in these camps on the BELIEF that they were enemy spies. And here you have full on proclaimations of terrorist supporters, actively spewing hate in the streets as your enemy, and should be protected by YOUR freedom of speech? The fact is, these same people would not even be let in the country if they displayed this behavior during registration to become a citzen. So Why should they have the right to spread hate, yet live in a country that they are directly against. This is the reason why you are finding bombs in your subways and buses. Jesus, open your eyes people. Human rights and freedom of speech is definitely a good thing and should never be tampered with. Yet there are certainly exceptions. This i believe, warrants an exception, and the right thing was done to suppress such hate.

[quote]It's like some of you would die from a heart attack if you were picked up and placed back in the 40s during during the second world war.[/quote] Uh, no, I'd probably be interned as a dissident. [quote]should never be tampered with.[/quote] [quote]Yet there are certainly exceptions. [/quote] I'm not sure you fully comprehend 'never be tampered with' <insert quote about security and freedom by American>

[QUOTE=Contag;33218179]Uh, no, I'd probably be interned as a dissident. I'm not sure you fully comprehend 'never be tampered with' <insert quote about security and freedom by American>[/QUOTE] Are you aware of the meaning of the word exception? That word is used as an exemption from the prime standard procedure. Also, war time enemy protests in your own country should never be allowed and should most definitely fall outside the freedom of speech ideals. The UK didn't let nazis walk around spewing nazi propaganda did they? Another oh so great exception. Why don't you defend that as well then.

[QUOTE=Jsm;33217782]supporting the IRA or Al Qaeda is illegal.[/QUOTE] better indict the CIA then oh wait I forgot, the government doesn't abide by law nevermind

thanks UK police state. "We cannot be bothered to solve the issue of extremism in the UK or even understand why extremism exists in our country. Therefor, we'd much rather forget about the whole thing. What protest group? I don't know any muslim protest group." [editline]10th November 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=DiBBs27;33218131] This is the reason why you are finding bombs in your subways and buses. [/QUOTE] hahah because of freedom of speech? you'd be an excellent daily mail scaremonger. IF WE DON'T BAN THIS GROUP WE WILL FIND BOMBS IN OUR HOUSES, EVERYONE IS GOING TO DIE, JESUS CHRIST OPEN YOUR EYES!

[QUOTE=thisispain;33219083]thanks UK police state. "We cannot be bothered to solve the issue of extremism in the UK or even understand why extremism exists in our country. Therefor, we'd much rather forget about the whole thing. What protest group? I don't know any muslim protest group." [editline]10th November 2011[/editline] hahah because of freedom of speech? you'd be an excellent daily mail scaremonger. IF WE DON'T BAN THIS GROUP WE WILL FIND BOMBS IN OUR HOUSES, EVERYONE IS GOING TO DIE, JESUS CHRIST OPEN YOUR EYES![/QUOTE] It sounds to me, that the very notion of what you are trying to express in your first statement, is exactly what you have fallen victim to., especially in your second statement. Firstly, you can not bother to understand the implications of having terrorism being openly supported in a country which is at war with the very nature of being that is terrorism. Secondly, you can not even bother to understand what i typed before you responded with an incredibly asinine response. You quoted a single sentence of my entire post and decided that would be the sentence you wanted to pick apart and get your frustrations out on. So, Allow me to explain it to your ignorant self the meaning of what i posted. It is not freedom of speech that is causing the bombings or attempted terrorist acts, rather it is teh fact that people such as this aren't only encouraged by our freedom of speech, as they don't have that luxury in their country, but they abuse it on their own terms and misuse it by instead spreading hate, and propaganda of their own beliefs. Which in this case, is terrorist ideals. Now there's business i said about exceptions to freedom of speech and how this meets the criteria, hence the reason why action was taken in the first place and this even has to be discussed. So the reason i included that sentence in my post was not to scare anyone, it was to prove a point that freedom of speech only goes so far until you allow terrorism to infiltrate your own country, then freedom of speech turns into terrorist acts. And that is not acceptable. Also, theres one more thing i want to point out. IF you look at that picture, do you notice something? There is something burning on the ground in the streets of the UK. By my understanding of law, that is called arson. Whether it is part of a protest or not, you aren't allowed to openly set fire to shit in the streets. So maybe if you opened your eyes just enough to see a picture, you'd understand that maybe their protest isn't even as innocent as far as freedom of speech goes.

[QUOTE=Contag;33218353]better indict the CIA then oh wait I forgot, the government doesn't abide by law nevermind[/QUOTE] Are you being dense on purpose? The CIA did not help Al Qaeda (as an enitity in its own right), it did not exist until after that period of time. Not to mention it is [B]a UK law[/B]. Unlike certain countries we don't go around trying to be world police. [editline]10th November 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=DiBBs27;33219401] Also, theres one more thing i want to point out. IF you look at that picture, do you notice something? There is something burning on the ground in the streets of the UK. By my understanding of law, that is called arson. Whether it is part of a protest or not, you aren't allowed to openly set fire to shit in the streets.[/QUOTE] Arson is maliciously setting fire to structures etc, burning an item isn't really arson. Especially if the person owns it.

[QUOTE=DiBBs27;33219401] Also, theres one more thing i want to point out. IF you look at that picture, do you notice something? There is something burning on the ground in the streets of the UK. By my understanding of law, that is called arson. Whether it is part of a protest or not, you aren't allowed to openly set fire to shit in the streets. So maybe if you opened your eyes just enough to see a picture, you'd understand that maybe their protest isn't even as innocent as far as freedom of speech goes.[/QUOTE] Just if you were wondering, those are poppies that are burning

Setting a fire, that comes up to your waist, in the streets, is NOT legal, i don't care what you want to call it.

Good. If they want their sandnigger culture to dominate the country in which they live, go back to where you came from. That said, I'm half-Turkish, before you go all >RACIST. [highlight](User was banned for this post ("Racism" - rilez))[/highlight]

[QUOTE=DiBBs27;33218131]Some of you people are taking this defend freedom of speech shit too far. It's like some of you would die from a heart attack if you were picked up and placed back in the 40s during during the second world war. You think banning a protest lead by your ENEMIES is bad? Maybe some of you forgot, or don't even know, that in world war 1 and 2, the united states created prison camps and threw any japanese ore german citizen, even if they were rightfull a citizen of the united states, in these camps on the BELIEF that they were enemy spies. And here you have full on proclaimations of terrorist supporters, actively spewing hate in the streets as your enemy, and should be protected by YOUR freedom of speech? The fact is, these same people would not even be let in the country if they displayed this behavior during registration to become a citzen. So Why should they have the right to spread hate, yet live in a country that they are directly against. This is the reason why you are finding bombs in your subways and buses. Jesus, open your eyes people. Human rights and freedom of speech is definitely a good thing and should never be tampered with. Yet there are certainly exceptions. This i believe, warrants an exception, and the right thing was done to suppress such hate.[/QUOTE] be the bigger man and let them express their hate law enforcement agencies will deal w/ them if they try to act on their words [editline]10th November 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=Aerkhan;33219641]Good. If they want their sandnigger culture to dominate the country in which they live, go back to where you came from. That said, I'm half-Turkish, before you go all >RACIST.[/QUOTE] you're a racist prick

[QUOTE=Jsm;33215197]Free speech is fine till you start offending the majority of people, then it should be controlled[/QUOTE] Holy [b]fuck[/b] what.