"Sons of Guns" stars Stephanie Hayden and Kris Ford arrested on Child Abuse charges - Polidicks

My mom just pulled on my ear

[QUOTE=sp00ks;46326424]if i go hitting a full grown adult with a belt it's clearly assault, but if i do it to a god damn 9 year old child it's okay?[/QUOTE] Of course, because see, they can't defend themselves at all wait no that's why it's wrong

[QUOTE=meppers;46329490]My mom just pulled on my ear[/QUOTE] Same here. It felt horrible and every time it happened I thought my ear was going to be ripped off because of how excruciatingly painful and horrible it was. It didn't actually make me stop misbehaving or be obedient so it was completely pointless.

[QUOTE=Boaraes;46325962]are you acting like striking a child is somehow acceptable?[/QUOTE] It is though.

I'm not sure how I feel about physical discipline. I'm willing to argue that my parents disciplining me was very effective, but I wouldn't hit my own children.

[QUOTE=sp00ks;46326424]if i go hitting a full grown adult with a belt it's clearly assault, but if i do it to a god damn 9 year old child it's okay?[/QUOTE] If you hit the adult with the force you should hit a child, he wouldn't even feel it. I got hit with the sandal as a kid, and i remembered what not to do. It depends more on the kid than the way you punish him.

[QUOTE=Banhfunbags;46329729]I'm not sure how I feel about physical discipline. I'm willing to argue that my parents disciplining me was very effective, but I wouldn't hit my own children.[/QUOTE] It's kinda like Cris Carter (yes I know not the best person to use for a quote) was saying, our parents acted with what info they had. Before them it was a hundred times worse, you could get your ass beat and then some and the police would laugh.

[QUOTE=Banhfunbags;46329729]I'm not sure how I feel about physical discipline. I'm willing to argue that my parents disciplining me was very effective, but I wouldn't hit my own children.[/QUOTE] If you wont carry it out yourself then it clearly isn't all that effective in your eyes. There you go, opinion sorted. Hitting your kids wont teach them to respect you, or help them understand what they did was wrong. It will make them resent you, and find ways around getting hit rather than correcting their behaviour. You've got to remember that kids, whilst fairly smart, are still pretty much morons at all times. If you don't explicitly tell them why what they did was wrong then go and hit them, it's likely they'll just assume they will get hit for doing anything.

[QUOTE=Silence I Kill You;46325731]Yeah, that's what I'm inclined to believe as well, considering spankings with a belt is actually a very common punishment down here.[/QUOTE] I'm against corporal punishment of any kind on a child. It's a grey area, in my opinion. But there is no grey area to using any kind of... tool to beat your kid. A belt, a switch, a stick, anything. At the very most you can use an open palm. It stings but doesn't leave a bruise or a cut

[QUOTE=proboardslol;46331348]I'm against corporal punishment of any kind on a child. It's a grey area, in my opinion. But there is no grey area to using any kind of... tool to beat your kid. A belt, a switch, a stick, anything. At the very most you can use an open palm. It stings but doesn't leave a bruise or a cut[/QUOTE] I don't believe that corporal punishment is something that should be used often at all, however I do believe that in some circumstances, it can be effective. Let me also explain that the second your "punishment" leaves anything like a bruise, it is no longer a "punishment", but has crossed the line into child abuse. I was whipped with the belt as a kid when I did things that were REALLY out of line. I maybe got 5-6 in my entire childhood. They never left any kind of mark or anything of the sort. I just always knew that what I had done was something that I should never do again. Children are different, situations are different. Your job as a parent is to figure out the most effective way to get through to your child and instill morals and values in them so they can grow up to become a fine human being. All children will not respond the same way to the same punishments.

[QUOTE=Robman8908;46325964]I was spanked with a belt a few times as a kid. That shit makes you [i]remember[/i], and not do whatever dumb shit you did. But on the other hand, he apparently went too far if he left bruises.[/QUOTE] Spanking is one thing, you don't whip kids with a belt. And damn, Stephanie looks like she's on something. Everything is just falling apart for these guys. If what they're saying is true, I suppose it's a good thing they caught them now before they tried to do anything more violent, given their access to a shitload of guns.

[QUOTE=Starlight 456;46325760]That doesn't make it ok. Smacking your child with a belt is disgusting and does literally nothing to help them be "disciplined".[/QUOTE] I am fucking tired of this argument. This whole "I won't ever dare hit my kid because THEY MIGHT TURN INTO A MURDERER OR SOMETHING" is just bullshit to the highest degree. I was physically disciplined as a child, and it has indeed kept me from being an entitled shit. Meanwhile, most people I know were not given physical discipline. I volunteer for a teen court for example, and whenever the defendant is asked "what kind of discipline did you receive at home" it is [I]always[/I] "they took away my cellphone". Boo-hoo, they took away something that didn't even exist 20 years ago and that you do not require in any way to function or have a social life. How sad that you might have to actually [I]talk to people in person now.[/I] And of course, those are the kids who never learn anything, and they wind up back on another charge a month later for the same shit. Making your kid go to "time out" or grounding them is a good punishment for small things, but this idea that it is [I]never[/I] okay to hit a child is just retarded and does not hold up. As Robman said, that makes your [I]remember[/I] you did something wrong. After all, pain is really the only thing that will stick in a child's mind. A time out or grounding is nothing to them, as they have near-limitless free time, so why would they care if they have to waste some of it? The most entitled people I meet are always the ones who were never smacked as a kid. Look, there are problems with hitting your kid. You do need to make sure that you still have a healthy relationship with them as friends. Whenever my dad spanked me as a kid, he would come back in a few minutes and tell me that he loves me and explained [I]why[/I] he spanked me so that I knew. I remembered that. I knew he wasn't above hitting me if I stretched the limits, but that he still loved me, and to this day I still feel that way. I adjusted my behavior because of that. And physical discipline should be the bottom line. A kid should not be smacked for stealing candy from the candy jar or drawing on the wall with crayon or whatever else wacko kid shit kids do. Really, the only time you should do it is when your kid stands up against you and pushes the limit. A good example is if your kid physically hurts [I]you.[/I] That is grounds for a smack. Never, ever let your child hit you, period. You shouldn't even let them yell at you. At the end of the day, [I]you[/I] are the authority figure, and your child needs to know that lest they grow up into a spoiled, entitled adult who thinks they can always get what they want. Still, the people in the OP went a bit far. If you have left a physical mark on your child, you definitely hit them too hard. Children are fragile, so a little smack is all it takes, but you cannot beat the shit out of your kid to the point where they have bruises. There is a fine line between a little discipline and straight up abuse.

[QUOTE=Silence I Kill You;46326438]If you lock a full grown adult in their room and only let them out to use the bathroom and eat it's clearly kidnapping, but if I do it to a god damn 9 year old child it's ok???[/QUOTE] "If I let a 15 year old suck on my breast it's underage sex but if my 3-month-old does it it's just feeding them?" Things change with age, don't be an ass. Your own damn fault if you get grounded. [sp]Most of the time.[/sp]

[QUOTE=proboardslol;46331348]I'm against corporal punishment of any kind on a child. It's a grey area, in my opinion. But there is no grey area to using any kind of... tool to beat your kid. A belt, a switch, a stick, anything. At the very most you can use an open palm. It stings but doesn't leave a bruise or a cut[/QUOTE] The reason its better to use a belt is because you're less likely to hurt the kid while your spanking them. It also sounds worse because of the cracking sound, so it gives the false impression of it hurting more.

My parents just took away my video games :( Those were dark days

If you start hitting your kid in the face you can very easily cause internal injuries and permanent brain damage because the little buggers have really sensitive skulls and necks. That's the main reason why you shouldn't hit a child in the face or slap them for that matter. Other than that, as long as they don't cause lasting damage then it's up to the parent to deal with their kid in the most appropriate way.

[QUOTE=Ganerumo;46332766]If you start hitting your kid in the face you can very easily cause internal injuries and permanent brain damage because the little buggers have really sensitive skulls and necks. That's the main reason why you shouldn't hit a child in the face or slap them for that matter. Other than that, as long as they don't cause lasting damage then it's up to the parent to deal with their kid in the most appropriate way.[/QUOTE] Who said anything about hitting them accross the face?

I know my father spank me with a belt when I was a kid, "misbehaving" which I don't exactly know what and why I was whipped with a belt, but I still act the same as always... the only punishment that I usually get during middle school is being grounded from my video games till a week or "until my next report card" cause they are unsatisfied with anything under a C-... Middle School was hard because I was always bullied 24/7 and no matter how many times I contacted the assistance principle, I still got this problem... Never EVER Attend to T.T. Knight Middle School here in the jefferson county in Louisville, Kentucky... it is THE worst middle school ever.