US military suicides in charts: how they overtook combat deaths - Polidicks

Hi guys I'm in the military AND I'm a mental health care provider (spooky stuff right?). I mean according to facepunch we don't exists. Well anyways, I wouldn't chock up all these deaths to PTSD although it could be a big factor. Most suicides / suicide attempts I've seen in the military have been related to everything but combat stressors. Wife divorcing you, letting the Marine Corps / Army / Navy or whomever wear you down to the bone, unable to cope with where you are in life etc. alot of these people have disorders that were pre existing prior to military service as well. The military only serves to makes these disorders worse in that case. Bottom line is, PTSD isn't the only cause of suicide in the military. We are also regular people with regular people problems.

[QUOTE=download;39548656]You're going to have to start arguing instead of simply going "Hurr, PTSD, I know because I do". All you keep doing is saying you know better than a soldier who has been there and done that.[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=kaskade700;39546172]Being military doesn't get you magical insight about PTSD[/QUOTE] Is the entirety of my statement revolving PTSD in this thread. Please point me to any of your above conclusions in it [editline]11th February 2013[/editline] [QUOTE=HumanAbyss;39548045]So you can talk as accurately about something you have no experience with as someone with direct experience? Not everything can be learned and known through research.[/QUOTE] By that logic there would be no point in sharing experiences. Everything can be learned trough research.

[QUOTE=SKEEA;39527922]Actually, that would be horrifying. What the fuck is wrong with you?[/QUOTE] he obviously didn't mean funny as in "haha people are dying lol!" but funny as in strange, fishy, etc. Like, the government being up to some funny business.

[QUOTE=kaskade700;39549579] By that logic there would be no point in sharing experiences. Everything can be learned trough research.[/QUOTE] Can you learn what it is like to have someone shoot themselves in front of you? No, you can't. Research all you like about something, you will never know what it is like until you have experienced something for yourself. You can form opinions about something, but to truly understand it, you must experience it.

[QUOTE=doommarine23;39537105]You guys know Skeea is an actual soldier in the armed forces, right? I would say he would know more about the Military than you would.[/QUOTE] By that logic everyone not in the military should be considered an expert on why civilians kill themselves.

[QUOTE=SKEEA;39558731]Can you learn what it is like to have someone shoot themselves in front of you? No, you can't. Research all you like about something, you will never know what it is like until you have experienced something for yourself. You can form opinions about something, but to truly understand it, you must experience it.[/QUOTE] Can you read an article? it about how for the first time US combat casualties dips below the amount of suicides from people affiliated with any army branch. That the article and FP title sensationalizes a more of less straight suicide line on a graph shouldn't shake the actual focus. It's an unfair comparison perceiving a killer usually years in the work, and an instant killer(combat) that fluctuates highly every year, and furthermore doesn't take into account the amount of people killing themselves as a result of near combat death(shitting in a bag, not having a jaw, being and feeling helpless, look horrid etc..) What the fuck does this have to do with you and your buddies getting shot infront of you? Nothing. Except you're a possible number in the statistic. This is good news, last year, pretty much the same amount of people killed themselves, but look how many happy marines didn't get shot to shit like last year.

[QUOTE=kaskade700;39559820]Can you read an article? it about how for the first time combat casualties dips below the amount of suicides from people affiliated with any army branch. That the article and FP title sensationalizes a more of less straight suicide line on a graph shouldn't shake the actual focus. It's an unfair comparison perceiving a killer usually years in the work, and an instant killer(combat) that fluctuates highly every year, and furthermore doesn't take into account the amount of people killing themselves as a result of near combat death(shitting in a bag, not having a jaw, being and feeling helpless, look horrid etc..)[/QUOTE] I just read that out loud to myself and have absolutely no idea what it means. EDIT: Appropriate avatar then duuhhrrhr lolsolozlzol

[QUOTE=Matriax;39559855]I just read that out loud to myself and have absolutely no idea what it means. EDIT: Appropriate avatar then duuhhrrhr lolsolozlzol[/QUOTE] TL;DR The article is stupid and the only thing worth noting in it is the graph, which is awfully short on information.

[QUOTE=Wizards Court;39547731]to be fair, is it really that surprising that a organization whose job basically bogs down to "train people to kill other people" and requires you to be "manly" as in not complain, suck it up, be detached to all the shit happening around you, etc might suck in handling psicological issues? i mean come on. doesn't exactly help that a lot of officers(in any army in the planet) tend to be idiots/crazy/arrogant from what i hear.[/QUOTE] One of the main reasons I'm trying to slink away from the Finnish army conscription with my medical records is that I have no interest of being bossed around by idiot corporals whom are composed mainly of the most power hungry assholes you can find who just want to get their hands on handed authority (instead of earned).

[QUOTE=Wizards Court;39547731]to be fair, is it really that surprising that a organization whose job basically bogs down to "train people to kill other people" and requires you to be "manly" as in not complain, suck it up, be detached to all the shit happening around you, etc might suck in handling psicological issues? i mean come on. doesn't exactly help that a lot of officers(in any army in the planet) tend to be idiots/crazy/arrogant from what i hear.[/QUOTE] Have you ever met any officers from any army on the planet? I've met American and British officer cadets and also many British officers, and while there is an element of all three negatives you list there on the whole they're professional, driven and respected by troops under their command.