The Courier Mail in hot water over their transphobic front cover regarding the woman who was chopped
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[QUOTE=Viva;46172299]It's a tabloid mate. Tabloids are literally only there to cause sensationalized drama. Like this is a tabloid doing what tabloids do. The only reason this is receiving more negativity is because it has to do with a trans human right now which is a hot topic.[/QUOTE]
but i mean, it's also like a blatant slur. wouldn't expect even a tabloid to have a frontpage headline calling someone a faggot or something
The Courier Mail is the biggest newspaper in the state of Queensland and continues to be the main metro newspaper. Compared to different city newspapers (Queensland Time for Ipswich, Sunshine Coast Daily, Gold Coast bulletin, Brisbane Times etc.), the CM is the biggest of them all.
This is one of the most controversial, disgusting and foul headlines I've seen pumped out of the ass by one of News Corp's leading papers. It is so fucking mind blowing retarded you can only just say "what were they thinking"
This should not be swept under the rug like you're trying to do Combine. The fact you're defending this headline because the paper is a tabloid is just beyond me honestly
[QUOTE=The Combine;46172471]This just makes this whole ordeal and the whining even worse. It's not even a fucking newspaper, Tabloids are shit, no better than the magazines who focus on nothing but celebrety news or bullshit like that. Isn't that kind of the point of tabloids? Being as offensive and outrageous as possible? Yes?
Why are you complaining then? Why not post a news article about this particular event which is actually informative instead of stupid clickbait? Why post Tabloid articles at all, Facepunch seems to hate their way of conveying information?
Do you get what I am talking about? This is counter-productive and achieves nothing but enrage all of you to the point where the original discussion doesn't even START. It gets drowned in your whining.
The petition made me laugh though so that's something. Please don't tell me clicking a button on a website will change the ways of a major "news" outlett.
That's why it's so predictable which threads turn into shitfests yet these are always the ones with shitloads of posts. You guys love being offended :v: that's why you keep posting these kinda things. I don't know why you do that though. If you'd actually wanted to help these people you'd do something but you don't. You whine on an internet forum about Tabloid Articles and that makes no sense at all to me. Does it make you feel better/superior or is it something like a hobby?
[editline]7th October 2014[/editline]
This guy has it figured out.[/QUOTE]
The problem is these are the only real newspapers that have any circulation due to the fact that the worlds largest media magnate owns all of the major news papers in Australia. Not to forget many parts of the television sector as well. Rupert Murdoch has been known to manipulate the media to his advantage here in Australia because he is an australian. Hell, it was known he was pouring millions of dollars into the Liberal party's election campaign of 2013 and using his newspapers as mouthpieces to assert his points of view without any real feedback. There aren't as many reliable papers here like you guys do over there in Austria. You have to understand the media industry in this country to understand how serious this actually is. Many have said Australia's journalism & media industry is the most restricted in the entire world, in that if you even try to get any publications up and running you have to go up against a media conglomerate that has been around since 1940
[QUOTE=shutter_eye5;46172548]The problem is these are the only real newspapers that have any circulation due to the fact that the worlds largest media magnate owns all of the major news papers in Australia. Not to forget many parts of the television sector as well. Rupert Murdoch has been known to manipulate the media to his advantage here in Australia because he is an australian. Hell, it was known he was pouring millions of dollars into the Liberal party's election campaign of 2013 and using his newspapers as mouthpieces to assert his points of view without any real feedback. There aren't as many reliable papers here like you guys do over there in Austria. You have to understand the media industry in this country to understand how serious this actually is. Many have said Australia's journalism & media industry is the most restricted in the entire world, in that if you even try to get any publications up and running you have to go up against a media conglomerate that has been around since 1940[/QUOTE]
We have 1 newspaper over here that isn't complete horseshit and no one reads it because it's boring as fuck. Most reliable news source is the ZIB flash on Austrias state channel 1, 2 and 3. Media is corrupt as fuck but that's public knowledge, what are you gonna do, protest on the streets? You guys understand this whole LGBT stuff so you do know how to inform yourselves. Why get offended by a newspaper you'd never read? You get your informations from somewhere else. If anything be mad at the people that read the newspaper, click on the Website or support this way of journalism in any way not the publishers because they are just responding to a market which would exist nonetheless.
[QUOTE=The Combine;46172734]We have 1 newspaper over here that isn't complete horseshit and no one reads it because it's boring as fuck. Most reliable news source is the ZIB flash on Austrias state channel 1, 2 and 3. Media is corrupt as fuck but that's public knowledge, what are you gonna do, protest on the streets? You guys understand this whole LGBT stuff so you do know how to inform yourselves. Why get offended by a newspaper you'd never read? You get your informations from somewhere else. If anything be mad at the people that read the newspaper, click on the Website or support this way of journalism in any way not the publishers because they are just responding to a market which would exist nonetheless.[/QUOTE]
Blame the viewers, not the creators?
You're thinkin' in backwards steps there pal :v:
[QUOTE=The Combine;46172471]This just makes this whole ordeal and the whining even worse. It's not even a fucking newspaper, Tabloids are shit, no better than the magazines who focus on nothing but celebrety news or bullshit like that. Isn't that kind of the point of tabloids? Being as offensive and outrageous as possible? Yes?
Why are you complaining then? Why not post a news article about this particular event which is actually informative instead of stupid clickbait? Why post Tabloid articles at all, Facepunch seems to hate their way of conveying information?
Do you get what I am talking about? This is counter-productive and achieves nothing but enrage all of you to the point where the original discussion doesn't even START. It gets drowned in your whining.
The petition made me laugh though so that's something. Please don't tell me clicking a button on a website will change the ways of a major "news" outlett.
That's why it's so predictable which threads turn into shitfests yet these are always the ones with shitloads of posts. You guys love being offended :v: that's why you keep posting these kinda things. I don't know why you do that though. If you'd actually wanted to help these people you'd do something but you don't. You whine on an internet forum about Tabloid Articles and that makes no sense at all to me. Does it make you feel better/superior or is it something like a hobby?
[editline]7th October 2014[/editline]
This guy has it figured out.[/QUOTE]
Good God, man, cut then holier-than-thou act.
[QUOTE=fruxodaily;46172536]The Courier Mail is the biggest newspaper in the state of Queensland and continues to be the main metro newspaper. Compared to different city newspapers (Queensland Time for Ipswich, Sunshine Coast Daily, Gold Coast bulletin, Brisbane Times etc.), the CM is the biggest of them all.
This is one of the most controversial, disgusting and foul headlines I've seen pumped out of the ass by one of News Corp's leading papers. It is so fucking mind blowing retarded you can only just say "what were they thinking"
This should not be swept under the rug like you're trying to do Combine. The fact you're defending this headline because the paper is a tabloid is just beyond me honestly[/QUOTE]
I'm not defending shit and I'm not "sweeping it under a rug". Atleast no more than you are. Difference is that while you pretend to be fighting for something, I simply accepted it. At the end of this discussion we both did exactly the same for whatever cause this.
I was asking you guys why you leap onto this like savages, tearing this article apart while doing nothing at all. It's like those Facebook likes for starving people in Africa :v:
Pretend to be fighting for a good cause to boost your own egos. We both have the exact same opinion on this subject, fuck sensationalist journalism. I just don't pretend that I am fighting against it because it's futile.
[editline]7th October 2014[/editline]
[QUOTE=LegndNikko;46172757]Good God, man, cut then holier-than-thou act.[/QUOTE]
Why not tell me why I'm wrong instead of insulting me? Get off your high horse.
tabloid front pages are offensive. In other news the sky is blue.
How is this news to anyone? ??
[QUOTE=Battledrobe;46172790]tabloid front pages are offensive. In other news the sky is blue.
How is this news to anyone? ??[/QUOTE]
Because the Courier Mail is one of the largest newspapers in Queensland as I've explained. They normally don't stir a lot of controversy
[QUOTE=Winner;46171743]that is so fucking insensitive what the shit[/QUOTE]
Catering to their typical reader demographic.
This thought process of "it's a tabloid, so who the fuck cares" is one of the main reasons that transphobic shit is allowed to continue happening. People do still read these publications and get their opinions from them, and just sitting back and going "welp nothing I can do here" does nothing to help anyone and allows transphobia to continue undermining people.
If we want shit like this to stop, people need to start letting parent companies/governments/etc know that this sort of bullshit is unacceptable.
Murdoch is one of those people that if you don't slap his hand and tell him to fuck off he'll just keep doing the awful shit he does.
[QUOTE=The Combine;46172764]I'm not defending shit and I'm not "sweeping it under a rug". Atleast no more than you are. Difference is that while you pretend to be fighting for something, I simply accepted it. At the end of this discussion we both did exactly the same for whatever cause this.
I was asking you guys why you leap onto this like savages, tearing this article apart while doing nothing at all. It's like those Facebook likes for starving people in Africa :v:
Pretend to be fighting for a good cause to boost your own egos. We both have the exact same opinion on this subject, fuck sensationalist journalism. I just don't pretend that I am fighting against it because it's futile.
[editline]7th October 2014[/editline]
Why not tell me why I'm wrong instead of insulting me? Get off your high horse.[/QUOTE]
That's literally what you're doing: saying "wow, you're all so predictable, it's hilarious" from a high horse. I'm not taking making arrogant stature, that's you. You're just pushing the whole reaction down as "like savages," saying it's "for our egos," and laughing at "how predictable" it is, coming into the thread solely to put down the users commenting, dismissing any words we've to say as "whining." It's coming off as useless arrogance and it contributes absolutely nothing to the thread.
If your biggest peeve with the thread is that how most of the posts are just "preaching to the choir" that goes nowhere, then stay away from a good number of threads, since they have can have a 99% majority opinion of something. What this article did is, to a majority opinion, unacceptable, and it should be made aware and be discussed, to see potential of what can be done.
[QUOTE=Dalndox;46172857]This thought process of "it's a tabloid, so who the fuck cares" is one of the main reasons that transphobic shit is allowed to continue happening. People do still read these publications and get their opinions from them, and just sitting back and going "welp nothing I can do here" does nothing to help anyone and allows transphobia to continue undermining people.
If we want shit like this to stop, people need to start letting parent companies/governments/etc know that this sort of bullshit is unacceptable.
Murdoch is one of those people that if you don't slap his hand and tell him to fuck off he'll just keep doing the awful shit he does.[/QUOTE]
Everyone knows this. No one does anything.
We are all just repeating the same process. Who are those people you are talking about? It's you, me and the rest of the goddamn world so why isn't there something happening? Why aren't you those "people"? Why not be the change all of you desire so much?
[editline]7th October 2014[/editline]
[QUOTE=LegndNikko;46172864]That's literally what you're doing: saying "wow, you're all so predictable, it's hilarious" from a high horse. I'm not taking making arrogant stature, that's you. You're just pushing the whole reaction down as "like savages," saying it's "for our egos," and laughing at "how predictable" it is, coming into the thread solely to put down the users commenting, dismissing any words we've to say as "whining." It's coming off as useless arrogance and it contributes absolutely nothing to the thread.
If your biggest peeve with the thread is that how most of the posts are just "preaching to the choir" that goes nowhere, then stay away from a good number of threads, since they have can have a 99% majority opinion of something. What this article did is, to a majority opinion, unacceptable, and it should be made aware and be discussed, to see potential of what can be done.[/QUOTE]
Goddamnit, even this post offended you? I'm sorry, I'll try to refrain from doing that in the future.
It's not being made aware you are keeping the discussion here on FP. Of course it's outrageous and unacceptable but why get worked up over it? If you'd be rooting for a less corrupt media by doing something it would be different but as you just said you actually feel like you are helping the cause just by posting in this thread and tha's my main "peeve" with those kind of "discussions". You are helping nobody. Maybe yourself.
[QUOTE=Dalndox;46172857]This thought process of "it's a tabloid, so who the fuck cares" is one of the main reasons that transphobic shit is allowed to continue happening. People do still read these publications and get their opinions from them, and just sitting back and going "welp nothing I can do here" does nothing to help anyone and allows transphobia to continue undermining people.
If we want shit like this to stop, people need to start letting parent companies/governments/etc know that this sort of bullshit is unacceptable.
Murdoch is one of those people that if you don't slap his hand and tell him to fuck off he'll just keep doing the awful shit he does.[/QUOTE]
Just going to point out that this is going to continue whether or not people complain, for a very simple reason : the more people complain, the more publicity the tabloid gets. And the more publicity the gets, the more it sells.
It's going to take a lot of social efforts for tabloids to stop calling transgender people trannies, not the other way around, because tabloids thrive off social issues like this one.
[QUOTE=The Combine;46171761]Facepunch is going to have a field day with this. Can't wait how offended everybody is :v:
Yet, the explanation is so simple, it's the newspaper version of clickbait.[/QUOTE]
Just because they're doing it for controversy doesn't mean it's not offensive. If I came up to you and insulted you for what you were just to get a reaction, that wouldn't make my words unoffensive, you'd still find it offensive. Obviously the response to this is "I wouldn't, because I know you just want a rise" but that's really a pitiful defense. It doesn't blunt the blade to know the swordsman only wants to wound you.
[editline]7th October 2014[/editline]
[QUOTE=The Combine;46172078]What are you gonna do? No one can stop the media because there are enough people interested in this kind of "journalism".
Everybody here knows this is wrong but it's always the same. Outrageous news get posted and people start posting how wrong this is. This is no discussion. More like constant whining.
It's how the media works, why get all worked up about things you can't change in the slightest?
As long as you just read the article here on FP and don't give website views you are atleast doing something but that's pretty much all you can do from sitting in front of the PC, the rest is whining.[/QUOTE]
I had this same stance with the GamerGate and Quinngate bollocks and honestly I realized after a lot of simpering and moaning about it that I should just ignore shit like this I don't like. If you really have an issue with people voicing anger about this, then just ignore them and deal with your own shit, or educate yourself and empathize. Coming in to be provocative and incite a two-page argument is pointless and just as bad as the people you're picking fights with.
[QUOTE=Drsalvador;46173017]Just because they're doing it for controversy doesn't mean it's not offensive. If I came up to you and insulted you for what you were just to get a reaction, that wouldn't make my words unoffensive, you'd still find it offensive. Obviously the response to this is "I wouldn't, because I know you just want a rise" but that's really a pitiful defense. It doesn't blunt the blade to know the swordsman only wants to wound you.
[editline]7th October 2014[/editline]
I had this same stance with the GamerGate and Quinngate bollocks and honestly I realized after a lot of simpering and moaning about it that I should just ignore shit like this I don't like. If you really have an issue with people voicing anger about this, then just ignore them and deal with your own shit, or educate yourself and empathize. Coming in to be provocative and incite a two-page argument is pointless and just as bad as the people you're picking fights with.[/QUOTE]
Even though we don't get along I agree 100%. If it's really this what makes these people happy I should just let it be. I doubt I'll ever find an answer I deem satisfying.
Sorry for derailing, keep it up lads!
Normally, I just say don't buy something and it'll go away, but if this has a ton of active consumers that will continue to read this stuff, that's kind of different. I still agree with the "don't buy it" mantra, but in this instance it's totally okay to bring up the problem and discuss it.
[QUOTE=The Combine;46171761]Facepunch is going to have a field day with this. Can't wait how offended everybody is :v:
Yet, the explanation is so simple, it's the newspaper version of clickbait.[/QUOTE]
I dont see newspapers calling black people niggers, asians gooks, gays faggots, or women being called cunts. Just because you think the word is okay and click bait doesn't mean its right, especially when trans* people have one of the highest suicide rates in the world.
[QUOTE=The Combine;46172764]Why not tell me why I'm wrong instead of insulting me? Get off your high horse.[/QUOTE]
People shouldn't have to tell you why you're wrong when the reason is so fucking blatantly obvious. In numerous threads recently you've just been posting "lmao deal w/ it nerds shit isnt changing fuck off", totally ignoring the actual issue and just proving that you're either;
a) A terrible human being (I like this one the most tbh)
or
b) A fucking awful poster out for "lels".
Either way, get banned holy shit you suck at posting.
[QUOTE=The Combine;46172875]Everyone knows this. No one does anything.
We are all just repeating the same process. Who are those people you are talking about? It's you, me and the rest of the goddamn world so why isn't there something happening? Why aren't you those "people"? Why not be the change all of you desire so much?
[editline]7th October 2014[/editline]
Goddamnit, even this post offended you? I'm sorry, I'll try to refrain from doing that in the future.
It's not being made aware you are keeping the discussion here on FP. Of course it's outrageous and unacceptable but why get worked up over it? If you'd be rooting for a less corrupt media by doing something it would be different but as you just said you actually feel like you are helping the cause just by posting in this thread and tha's my main "peeve" with those kind of "discussions". You are helping nobody. Maybe yourself.[/QUOTE]
If no one does anything about it then it leads people to believe it is okay, thus leading to greater discrimination.
you need to look at the big picture.
[QUOTE=TurtleeyFP;46171893]How do you even write this down and get your whole, professional editing team to think "yep, this is a cool idea"? Is this even real?[/QUOTE]
Because we're not human to them, just freaks of nature to point and laugh at. We don't have feelings because we're just objects of humour or titillation.
Today the Courier Mail apologised on the front page
[img]http://starobserver.com.au.s3.amazonaws.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/10/CM-fauxpology.png[/img]
Many cafes around Brisbane are now going to stop selling the Courier Mail at their businesses because of their transphobic front cover yesterday
[url]http://www.starobserver.com.au/news/local-news/courier-mails-apology-for-controversial-front-page-falls-short/128636[/url]
[QUOTE=fruxodaily;46179443]Today the Courier Mail apologised on the front page
[img]http://starobserver.com.au.s3.amazonaws.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/10/CM-fauxpology.png[/img]
Many cafes around Brisbane are now going to stop selling the Courier Mail at their businesses because of their transphobic front cover yesterday
[url]http://www.starobserver.com.au/news/local-news/courier-mails-apology-for-controversial-front-page-falls-short/128636[/url][/QUOTE]
Pretty half-assed apology if you ask me. Still, I'm glad people are protesting this by boycotting this shitty newspaper.
[QUOTE=Rexxasaurus;46179460]Pretty half-assed apology if you ask me. Still, I'm glad people are protesting this by boycotting this shitty newspaper.[/QUOTE]
They really should've wrote more words and expanded their apology. This still won't make people settle about what they've done and yes I'm also glad people are finally having a gut full of garbo NewsCorp/Murdoch journalism
[QUOTE=fruxodaily;46179475]They really should've wrote more words and expanded their apology. This still won't make people settle about what they've done and yes I'm also glad people are finally having a gut full of garbo NewsCorp/Murdoch journalism[/QUOTE]
They didn't admit to anything and weaselled out of it instead. It's made them look worse if anything.
I will never understand why some people find it so hard to apologize straight up.
[QUOTE=Dalndox;46172857]This thought process of "it's a tabloid, so who the fuck cares" is one of the main reasons that transphobic shit is allowed to continue happening. People do still read these publications and get their opinions from them, and just sitting back and going "welp nothing I can do here" does nothing to help anyone and allows transphobia to continue undermining people.
If we want shit like this to stop, people need to start letting parent companies/governments/etc know that this sort of bullshit is unacceptable.
Murdoch is one of those people that if you don't slap his hand and tell him to fuck off he'll just keep doing the awful shit he does.[/QUOTE]
Pretty sure you'd need to put a bullet in Murdoch to stop him from doing the awful shit he does.
Even then I'd burn the corpse just to be sure.
[QUOTE=fruxodaily;46179443]Today the Courier Mail apologised on the front page
[img]http://starobserver.com.au.s3.amazonaws.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/10/CM-fauxpology.png[/img]
Many cafes around Brisbane are now going to stop selling the Courier Mail at their businesses because of their transphobic front cover yesterday
[url]http://www.starobserver.com.au/news/local-news/courier-mails-apology-for-controversial-front-page-falls-short/128636[/url][/QUOTE]
This isn't an apology at all. They didn't even acknowledge what they actually did.
"A bunch of people were offended, but we didn't [i]mean[/i] to offend them" is not an apology. It means you were expecting this to be ok and got caught with your pants down. Own up to your mistakes and make a decent goddamn apology.
Also, good on those cafes for refusing to stock this publication. The best way to make a point to a company is to hit them right in the wallet.
I should just say that the acknowledgement or "apology" wasn't on the front cover, instead buried deep within the newspaper
Common practice for Murdoch papers to bury all sorts of editorial fuck ups right away from the first ten pages where people are most likely to read straight up
On that note - an someone tell me how to safely refer to a transitioning transgender's biological state? As in, their genitals don't match the rest of their body?
A very close friend is transgendered and neither of us can figure out a safe descriptor for this. Transgendered only accounts for the mental state, not the physical condition. And all of the ones I've heard are shoveled onto the slur pile (there are quite a few).
I'm not really keen on trekking into tumblr to find out.
Over here a tabloid could be cover to cover Holocaust jokes, and nobody would complain because that would necessitate admitting to having read a tabloid.
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