Tory MP warns Muslim gangs are 'raping white kids' - "we need to deal with this - or the BNP will"
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[QUOTE=NoDachi;38439285]It also reflects climate change and oil prices.[/QUOTE]
It's a logical conclusion to state that immigrants are more likely to rape rather than rape is directly tied to oil prices, which is silly. The sources I've already posted document the link between muslims and rape.
[QUOTE=TechnoFrau;38439264]
But it reflects increasing amounts of immigration in the country.[/QUOTE]
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Logically it's far more likely immigrants cause rape rather than the decrease of fresh lemon importation :v:
[QUOTE=TechnoFrau;38439328]Logically it's far more likely immigrants cause rape rather than the decrease of fresh lemon importation :v:[/QUOTE]
Because immigrants are worse human beings right?
[QUOTE=TechnoFrau;38439328]Logically it's far more likely immigrants cause rape rather than the decrease of fresh lemon importation :v:[/QUOTE]
The point being that correlation does imply causation.
[QUOTE=TechnoFrau;38439328]Logically it's far more likely immigrants cause rape rather than the decrease of fresh lemon importation :v:[/QUOTE]
I don't know where you're going with this argument. Inflow of population to any country is going to push crime rates up simply because there are more people to commit them - that doesn't mean the immigrants did them. Correlation =/= causation. (ninja'd by starpluck)
Correct me if I'm on the wrong track here.
[QUOTE=Starpluck;38439360]The point being that correlation does imply causation.[/QUOTE]
But in some cases it can, I believe a fact finding commission by the government should be attested to find a link between muslim immigrants and increased rape, unfortunately someone may be "offended"
[QUOTE=TechnoFrau;38439328]Logically it's far more likely immigrants cause rape rather than the decrease of fresh lemon importation :v:[/QUOTE]
You are missing the point, there are more factors than just immigration and rape.
Like poverty rates, government policy on immigration, general population attitude towards immigrants.
[QUOTE=Valnar;38439301]
Even if immigrants are causing the rise in sex offences it is completely incorrect to then jump to the conclusion that immigration is the direct root cause of it.[/QUOTE]
Indeed. There are many, many factors at play here and I think the most important one to discuss is how the government is handling the integration of immigrants to the society.
The expectation that every immigrant rape and pillage the moment they arrive is certainly not helping in a decrease of criminal activity. The problem is not immigrants themselves; it's how they are integrated into society and whether the society treats them with respect or not.
[QUOTE=NoDachi;38439338]Because immigrants are worse human beings right?[/QUOTE]
Did I say that? I don't see why we have to welcome them with open arms if they're going to commit gruesome terrible crimes. I take it you prefer "cultural diversity" rather than detest rape?
[QUOTE=TechnoFrau;38439379]But in some cases it can, I believe a fact finding commission by the government should be attested to find a link between muslim immigrants and increased rape, unfortunately someone may be "offended"[/QUOTE]
Why is that necessary? Even if the stats did correlate, again there are so many more factors to consider that can skew the results.
[QUOTE=Valnar;38439381]You are missing the point, there are more factors than just immigration and rape.
Like poverty rates, government policy on immigration, general population attitude towards immigrants.[/QUOTE]
So they should be excused for their own actions?
[QUOTE=TechnoFrau;38439393]Did I say that? I don't see why we have to welcome them with open arms if they're going to commit gruesome terrible crimes. I take it you prefer "cultural diversity" rather than detest rape?[/QUOTE]
You're literally saying it right now.
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[QUOTE=NoDachi;38439418]You're literally saying it right now.
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You're ignoring my question, and yes I am differentiating non immigrants from immigrants.
[QUOTE=TechnoFrau;38439404]So they should be excused for their own actions?[/QUOTE]
You say that as if you have solid evidence that points towards increased muslim immigration CAUSING a higher number of rapes.
[QUOTE=TechnoFrau;38439435]You're ignoring my question, and yes I am differentiating non immigrants from immigrants.[/QUOTE]
So you're saying anyone who detests rape also needs to detest immigration?
[QUOTE=Cabbage;38439469]You say that as if you have solid evidence that points towards increased muslim immigration CAUSING a higher number of rapes.[/QUOTE]
You first said it wasn't their fault, now you're saying they're not doing anything. I'd ask that you make up your mind.
[QUOTE=TechnoFrau;38439404]So they should be excused for their own actions?[/QUOTE]
No one said that. The fact that you are already making up statements is stating you are failing this debate itself.
[QUOTE=TechnoFrau;38439477]You first said it wasn't their fault, now you're saying they're not doing anything. I'd ask that you make up your mind.[/QUOTE]
Them not doing anything would also mean it isn't their fault, would it not?
[QUOTE=Mooe94;38439493]No one said that. The fact that you are already making up statements is stating you are failing this debate itself.[/QUOTE]
" poverty rates, government policy on immigration, general population attitude towards immigrants."
What?
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[QUOTE=Cabbage;38439496]Them not doing anything would also mean it isn't their fault, would it not?[/QUOTE]
Well if they're not doing anything why is rape suddenly spiking with a direct correlation with immigration?
[QUOTE=TechnoFrau;38439501]
Well if they're not doing anything why is rape suddenly spiking with a direct correlation with immigration?[/QUOTE]
I invite you to source this with something viable.
[QUOTE=TechnoFrau;38439404]So they should be excused for their own actions?[/QUOTE]
I'm saying that a much more likely alternative explanation than the "muslim rape wave" is that immigrants and natives likely have nearly the same crime rates when you take poverty into account. That poverty rates are higher for immigrants due to a multitude of reasons. That would be why it might seem like more immigrants cause more crimes.
The solution to that explanition wouldn't be to go more into anti-immigration, but to make things better for immigrants. Encourage the population to not see immigrants as evil people but as people who came to that country looking to work for a better life.
If you treat people like shit, expect them to treat you like shit back.
[QUOTE=NoDachi;38438921]Swazi Spring, is that you?[/QUOTE]
my idiot senses were tingling
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[QUOTE=TechnoFrau;38439477]You first said it wasn't their fault, now you're saying they're not doing anything. I'd ask that you make up your mind.[/QUOTE]
Ha ha he was an alt of Swazi Spring all along, totally didn't see that coming.
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