• Tyler the Creator accused of verbally abusing woman at Enmore theatre gig in Australia
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[QUOTE=Winters;40955622]regardless neither warrant such an extreme response.[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=Agoat;40955518]Please do not try to paint me as someone that condones violence. You're better than that. To most, Tyler's response would prove the feminist's point. Of course, you'll never get that in a world where everyone wants to paint someone else as the villain. As Pancake Bunny said, that's exactly what you get at a Tyler the Creator concert. Why will you never see me at one? Because I don't like it. I'm not going to protest his form of entertainment, I'm just not going to partake.[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=Agoat;40955608]It's perfectly relevant. That lady knew that she might get blasted by the entertainer if she were to protest. If she didn't, she had no place to be there. Feeling sorry for her is a bit silly, even if you do agree with her views. She knew the risks.[/QUOTE] Even if I'm not talking to you directly, it wouldn't hurt to read all the posts going around. Unless you're here to impress instead of chat, then carry on.
[QUOTE=Hoboiam;40955655]She's trying to get his visa revoked, so he can no longer play in the country[/QUOTE] source
[QUOTE=Winters;40955676]source[/QUOTE] [URL]http://collectiveshout.org/2013/06/immigration-revoke-tyler-the-creators-australian-visa/[/URL] Edit: You know something is about to be stupid when it says *Trigger Warning* at the top.
[QUOTE=Winters;40955672]It's not just words. This woman is outside his concert okay. To his fans he says "Fuck that whore bitch". He says this because she does not like his lyrics. This is not just insulting but could seriously put her in danger. Those concerts are rowdy as fuck.[/QUOTE] yes he was actively trying to incite a riot, manipulating his private army of women haters
[QUOTE=Winters;40955676]source[/QUOTE] Got it from here, and Agoat just upstaged me [url]http://www.hotnewhiphop.com/news.5977.html[/url] [quote]Collective Shout hopes to have Tyler's visa revoked by Australia’s Minister for Immigration and Citizenship[/quote]
[QUOTE=Agoat;40955675]Even if I'm not talking to you directly, it wouldn't hurt to read all the posts going around. Unless you're here to impress instead of chat, then carry on.[/QUOTE] Okay I read those and I guess I misunderstood? It seems like you're blaming her for Tyler's inability to control his words. It SEEMS like you're condoning him calling her a bitch and whore in front of a raging crowd. Not only condoning it but blaming it on her.
[QUOTE=Winters;40955672]It's not just words. This woman is outside his concert okay. To his fans he says "Fuck that whore bitch". He says this because she does not like his lyrics. This is not just insulting but could seriously put her in danger. Those concerts are rowdy as fuck.[/QUOTE] does he say fuck as an action like "go fuck that bitch" or like "man, fuck that bitch" it wouldn't put her in danger. If anything that'd be what she'd want, because he wouldn't be allowed in that country again for causing her to get harmed/raped
[QUOTE=Hoboiam;40955691]Got it from here [url]http://www.hotnewhiphop.com/news.5977.html[/url][/QUOTE] Alright that's a stupid thing for her to do. Regardless what Tyler did was not appropriate.
Tyler may have some colorful lyrics, but he ain't all bad.
[QUOTE=Winters;40955693]Okay I read those and I guess I misunderstood? It seems like you're blaming her for Tyler's inability to control his words. It SEEMS like you're condoning him calling her a bitch and whore in front of a raging crowd. Not only condoning it but blaming it on her.[/QUOTE] If I knowingly go to a neighborhood where people are often robbed, should the robbers be blamed for me being robbed? Partially, yes. But I knew very well where I was going and what I was doing. The same logic applies here.
[QUOTE=GoldenGnome;40955686]yes he was actively trying to incite a riot, manipulating his private army of women haters[/QUOTE] I'm not saying he was actively trying to do it. Have you ever been to a concert like this? A hardcore Tyler fan could seriously take that as reason enough to attack her. It wouldn't be his fault because the guy who did it was retarded enough to take that as a reason to attack her. But he should know that his crowds can get crazy.
[QUOTE=Pancake Bunny;40955697]does he say fuck as an action like "go fuck that bitch" or like "man, fuck that bitch" it wouldn't put her in danger. If anything that'd be what she'd want, because he wouldn't be allowed in that country again for causing her to get harmed/raped[/QUOTE] So if she got harmed or raped at the concern that would be what she wanted?
[QUOTE=Winters;40955702]Alright that's a stupid thing for her to do. Regardless what Tyler did was not appropriate.[/QUOTE] i don't think you get to decide what is appropriate for tyler, the creator to do at a tyler, the creator concert.
[QUOTE=Agoat;40955712]If I knowingly go to a neighborhood where people are often robbed, should the robbers be blamed for me being robbed? Partially, yes. But I knew very well where I was going and what I was doing. The same logic applies here.[/QUOTE] Okay so then Tyler is still responsible then. She knew she could've been yelled at. Just because she knew doesn't mean Tyler should've done it. Robbers shouldn't rob people because they can.
[QUOTE=Winters;40955714]But he should know that his crowds can get crazy.[/QUOTE] She should probably know that as well before she goes to protest.
[QUOTE=GoldenGnome;40955724]i don't think you get to decide what is appropriate for tyler, the creator to do at a tyler, the creator concert.[/QUOTE] He does not create his own rules because it is his concert.
[QUOTE=Winters;40955714]I'm not saying he was actively trying to do it. Have you ever been to a concert like this? A hardcore Tyler fan could seriously take that as reason enough to attack her. It wouldn't be his fault because the guy who did it was retarded enough to take that as a reason to attack her. But he should know that his crowds can get crazy.[/QUOTE] now you're making a statement about his fans that I don't appreciate. you offended me!!
[QUOTE=Winters;40955726]Okay so then Tyler is still responsible then. She knew she could've been yelled at. Just because she knew doesn't mean Tyler should've done it. Robbers shouldn't rob people because they can.[/QUOTE] Obviously. You should not be exposing yourself to danger, regardless of what you believe in.
[QUOTE=Agoat;40955729]She should probably know that as well before she goes to protest.[/QUOTE] That doesn't make it her fault. Just because risks are involved doesn't make it the person's responsability when those risks come to tuition.
[QUOTE=GoldenGnome;40955724]i don't think you get to decide what is appropriate for tyler, the creator to do at a tyler, the creator concert.[/QUOTE] Telling a person you hope her kids get stds is generally not appropriate any place
[QUOTE=GoldenGnome;40955737]now you're making a statement about his fans that I don't appreciate. you offended me!![/QUOTE] Well I am one of his fans so I guess I offend myself too.
[QUOTE=Winters;40955747]That doesn't make it her fault. Just because risks are involved doesn't make it the person's responsability when those risks come to tuition.[/QUOTE] It's your god-given right to put your finger in the electrical socket. Doesn't mean you should.
[QUOTE=Winters;40955714]I'm not saying he was actively trying to do it. Have you ever been to a concert like this? A hardcore Tyler fan could seriously take that as reason enough to attack her. It wouldn't be his fault because the guy who did it was retarded enough to take that as a reason to attack her. But he should know that his crowds can get crazy.[/QUOTE] Nah man, I've been to a few OF shows. Most of the fans are just shitty little potheads who spend too much money on hats. Nobody I've EVER met that likes OF legitimately thinks they're dark or serious. Odd Future fans are awful, but they're not dangerous. At least in my own experience.
[QUOTE=Winters;40955732]He does not create his own rules because it is his concert.[/QUOTE] why not? he's obviously not interested in conforming to your, or "collective shout's" "rules"
[QUOTE=Agoat;40955741]Obviously. You should not be exposing yourself to danger, regardless of what you believe in.[/QUOTE] Tell that to police officers, the rebels of the arab spring, soldiers, any emergency service, and civil rights group, and any civil rights leader.
[QUOTE=BusterBluth;40955716]So if she got harmed or raped at the concern that would be what she wanted?[/QUOTE] No, I can't into english today. I mean, she'd want for him to start something, because if that happens, it proves her point exactly. She knew the risks going into that concert, and while I'm glad She didn't get hurt, it wouldn't have been all Tyler's fault if she did. It's like Agoat said; if you go into an area that's known for robbers, and you get robbed, you're partially to blame, since you went to that area of town. Regardless if you went with the intention to get robbed, if you know there's a chance, you shouldn't take it.
[QUOTE=Winters;40955765]Tell that to police officers, the rebels of the arab spring, soldiers, any emergency service, and civil rights group, and any civil rights leader.[/QUOTE] They know the danger. Much like this lady should. I'll let you get to both of the posts you're probably about to see before I reply with the same thing again.
[QUOTE=Agoat;40955754]It's your god-given right to put your finger in the electrical socket. Doesn't mean you should.[/QUOTE] An electrical socket is not a person. If you do it to yourself it's a different story. This is another human being completely capable of controlling their own actions. Tyler the creator is not an electrical socket.
[QUOTE=Agoat;40955608]It's perfectly relevant. That lady knew that she might get blasted by the entertainer if she were to protest. If she didn't, she had no place to be there. Feeling sorry for her is a bit silly, even if you do agree with her views. She knew the risks.[/QUOTE] i don't feel "sorry" for her I am only condemning tyler's actions.
[QUOTE=BusterBluth;40955749]Telling a person you hope her kids get stds is generally not appropriate any place[/QUOTE] extreme yes but that's the image he's selling and it's making him rich so he's going to keep doing it. it's offensive but that's tough shit at this juncture.
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