• Tyler the Creator accused of verbally abusing woman at Enmore theatre gig in Australia
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[QUOTE=Winters;40956009]If the entertainer is aware that their art has an impact. Then they should be aware that what they say affects people and how they think.[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=Vedicardi;40956013]of course not but there is taste and tact that should be kept in mind when one is at such a level as not to contribute negatively to society, which behavior like this does. Perhaps we shouldn't hold them responsible, exactly, but I think that we as members of society should not praise those who do such things at the least.[/QUOTE] that's really easy to say from behind your computer screen but when your livelihood depends upon your ability to deliver a certain brand of entertainment to a niche audience that line you have arbitrarily drawn fades.
[QUOTE=Kopimi;40956033]the fact that you're comparing protesting lyrics about rape at a rap concert to running into a synagogue and shouting "sieg heil" lmfao[/QUOTE] i fail to see the difference it's two opposing ideologies that are mashing. it's your fault for putting yourself there. You can't control the fucking idiots that go to OFWGKTA concerts. You can, however, control yourself. Just because they shouldn't attack youdoesn't mean they won't.
[QUOTE=Pancake Bunny;40956064]i fail to see the difference it's two opposing ideologies that are mashing. it's your fault for putting yourself there. You can't control the fucking idiots that go to OFWGKTA concerts. You can, however, control yourself. Just because they shouldn't attack youdoesn't mean they won't.[/QUOTE] and just because they will attack you doesn't mean they're not pieces of shit for doing it? why am i talking to you you're ridiculous lmfao "i fail to see the difference"
[QUOTE=Kopimi;40956074]and just because they will attack you doesn't mean they're not pieces of shit for doing it?[/QUOTE] I don't think anyone has said that
[QUOTE=GoldenGnome;40956061]that's really easy to day from behind your computer screen but when your livelihood depends upon your ability to deliver a certain brand of entertainment to a niche audience that line you have arbitrarily drawn fades.[/QUOTE] it is a "brand" of entertainment they CHOSE to pursue, it did not choose them. They have no obligation to continue doing what they do. and i don't know what you are implying but i would have no qualms saying this to anyone's face. I am very honest and open about my views on such topics "online" and in person
[QUOTE=strayebyrd;40956084]I don't think anyone has said that[/QUOTE] Nah people have said she deserves it and Tyler is completely in the right so people have.
[QUOTE=Kopimi;40956074]and just because they will attack you doesn't mean they're not pieces of shit for doing it? why am i talking to you you're ridiculous lmfao "i fail to see the difference"[/QUOTE] no one was attacked?
[QUOTE=strayebyrd;40956084]I don't think anyone has said that[/QUOTE] read the first page
[QUOTE=strayebyrd;40956084]I don't think anyone has said that[/QUOTE] when you blame someone for putting themselves in a volatile situation rather than the people who actually carry out acts of violence against another person you're shifting moral judgement from the attacker to the victim lol [editline]9th June 2013[/editline] [QUOTE=GoldenGnome;40956092]no one was attacked?[/QUOTE] congratulations you have discovered the power of hypothetical situations and comparisons
[QUOTE=Kopimi;40956074]and just because they will attack you doesn't mean they're not pieces of shit for doing it? why am i talking to you you're ridiculous lmfao "i fail to see the difference"[/QUOTE] no, they are pieces of shit for doing it. It's her fault for putting herself there. Not the fucking retards for being there. And like I've stated many times I can't come up with a better example, I've been on the road all day and it's 23:09 right now, so excuse me for having teerrible examples. The point I'm tryinf to make is Don't mix your views with the knuckledraggers that will hurt you. Like I said like 7 posts ago; she should've just filed a complaint, not actually gone to the concert. By going to it, she's giving Tyler money, and only contributing to what he's doing.
[QUOTE=Pancake Bunny;40956105]no, they are pieces of shit for doing it. It's her fault for putting herself there. Not the fucking retards for being there.[/QUOTE] So it's not their faults for attacking her (hypothetical)? Evidently they lost complete control of their bodies when they saw someone protesting a Tyler concert?
[QUOTE=Vedicardi;40956089]it is a "brand" of entertainment they CHOSE to pursue, it did not choose them. They have no obligation to continue doing what they do. and i don't know what you are implying but i would have no qualms saying this to anyone's face. I am very honest and open about my views on such topics "online" and in person[/QUOTE] ah, no. didn't mean it like that, sorry. wasn't trying to play the "Internet tough guy" card. just saying that you're not the one making millions off of your ability to be a sexist. yes. I admit it. it's sexist. sexism is wrong. but no one should expect him to behave any differently because he's in the public eye
[QUOTE=Kopimi;40956074] why am i talking to you you're ridiculous lmfao "i fail to see the difference"[/QUOTE] X doesn't like Y Z does like Y X goes to Y orientated gathering filled with Z and says 'I don't like Y I think it is bad' X is shocked when Z doesn't agree with them as someone who has protested for a lot of causes you can't be offended if you're standing outside a bank saying 'down with bankers' and then the bankers call you a cunt
[QUOTE=Pancake Bunny;40956105]no, they are pieces of shit for doing it. It's her fault for putting herself there. Not the fucking retards for being there. And like I've stated many times I can't come up with a better example, I've been on the road all day and it's 23:09 right now, so excuse me for having teerrible examples. The point I'm tryinf to make is Don't mix your views with the knuckledraggers that will hurt you. Like I said like 7 posts ago; she should've just filed a complaint, not actually gone to the concert. By going to it, she's giving Tyler money, and only contributing to what he's doing.[/QUOTE] i still personally think the woman was being incomprehensibly stupid by going to the concert and trying to protest there in the middle of the crowd and honestly i don't really care about tyler calling her a bitch or a cunt (he's still a dickhead for doing it but i don't think its that big of a deal really) but you're completely ridiculous for saying "its her fault for putting herself there not their fault for attacking her"
[QUOTE=GoldenGnome;40956121]ah, no. didn't mean it like that, sorry. wasn't trying to play the "Internet tough guy" card. just saying that you're not the one making millions off of your ability to be a sexist. yes. I admit it. it's sexist. sexism is wrong. but I not anyone else should expect him to behave any differently because he's in the public eye[/QUOTE] i expect him to act as an intelligent human being, that's all. it has far less to do with his fame than you may expect. it is just stupid.
[QUOTE=strayebyrd;40956122]X doesn't like Y Z does like Y X goes to Y orientated gathering filled with Z and says 'I don't like Y I think it is bad' X is shocked when Z doesn't agree with them as someone who has protested for a lot of causes you can't be offended if you're standing outside a bank saying 'down with bankers' and then the bankers call you a cunt[/QUOTE] OHHHHHH thanks i didn't get that part!!! clearly i didn't understand the basic comparison rather than me laughing at the idea of comparing a feminist at a tyler the creator concert to a fucking neo nazi in a synagogue lol
[QUOTE=Winters;40956114]So it's not their faults for attacking her (hypothetical)? Evidently they lost complete control of their bodies when they saw someone protesting a Tyler concert?[/QUOTE] Holyshit, way to completely fucking miss the point. It's both of their faults. It's more so her's, because she put herself in that situation. Refer to the last part; don't mix your views with the knuckledraggers that will hurt you. The way she was protesting was terrible and solved nothing, and only endangered herself.
[QUOTE=Winters;40956090]Nah people have said she deserves it and Tyler is completely in the right so people have.[/QUOTE] that's not saying that assault is okay, that's saying that if you protest you put yourself out there for people to respond, I've been punched in the face by a banker protesting, he was still a cunt but I wasn't shocked
[QUOTE=Pancake Bunny;40956138]Holyshit, way to completely fucking miss the point. It's both of their faults. It's more so her's, because she put herself in that situation. Refer to the last part; don't mix your views with the knuckledraggers that will hurt you. The way she was protesting was terrible and solved nothing, and only endangered herself.[/QUOTE] be careful there, you're starting to sound like "it was her fault for dressing like a slut!"
wtf it has nothing to do with shock. it's a matter of right and wrong. [editline]8th June 2013[/editline] [QUOTE=GoldenGnome;40956155]be careful there, you're starting to sound like "it was her fault for dressing like a slut!"[/QUOTE] that is how this whole thread has been going. "what did she expect" "she deserved it" "she knew what was coming" just add "dressing like that" at the end and its the same thing
[QUOTE=Kopimi;40956137]OHHHHHH thanks i didn't get that part!!! clearly i didn't understand the basic comparison rather than me laughing at the idea of comparing a feminist at a tyler the creator concert to a fucking neo nazi in a synagogue lol[/QUOTE] maybe if you got it you could try and respond to the point he was trying to make rather than focusing on the words neo nazi and synagogue which are clearly just placeholders
[QUOTE=Vedicardi;40956158]wtf it has nothing to do with shock. it's a matter of right and wrong.[/QUOTE] the right to say what you want supersedes the wrong of saying things people don't like, and if you don't like that I don't know what to tell you.
Who cares what he said to her, if she gets offended by what someone who she hates says to her why would you even give a single fuck. I find it hard to understand how people get offended by generic insults like that anyway
[QUOTE=Kopimi;40956127]i still personally think the woman was being incomprehensibly stupid by going to the concert and trying to protest there in the middle of the crowd and honestly i don't really care about tyler calling her a bitch or a cunt (he's still a dickhead for doing it but i don't think its that big of a deal really) but you're completely ridiculous for saying "its her fault for putting herself there not their fault for attacking her"[/QUOTE] that's what I was saying the entire time; she's stupid for going there. Tyler is a dick, but it's not his fault for being angry. And nobody was attacked- she was just called a bitch, etc. What I was saying was to Winters, who said that the way Tyler reacted and his insult "was extreme" which is stupid, because she has no right to be offended if she purposely went there either to coax a reaction to prove that he should be banned, or get an apology, which I'm pretty sure she knew wouldn't happen.
[QUOTE=Vedicardi;40956158]wtf it has nothing to do with shock. it's a matter of right and wrong. [editline]8th June 2013[/editline] that is how this whole thread has been going. "what did she expect" "she deserved it" "she knew what was coming" just add "dressing like that" at the end and its the same thing[/QUOTE] I know and it's the completely wrong thing to be arguing, I'm in agreement with you there
[QUOTE=strayebyrd;40956173]maybe if you got it you could try and respond to the point he was trying to make rather than focusing on the words neo nazi and synagogue which are clearly just placeholders[/QUOTE] okay thanks for this tip i'll be sure to file it away in my "posting advice" folder for future reference. maybe i got it but just thought he was an idiot for making such an outlandish and moronic comparison to prove such a basic and meaningless point?? no that couldnt be it
[QUOTE=GoldenGnome;40956178]the right to say what you want supersedes the wrong of saying things people don't like, and if you don't like that I don't know what to tell you.[/QUOTE] well if someone just came up to your grandma and said "fuck you old cunt" it's not like that's okay just because of freedom of speech lol, it's still a bad thing to do and "wrong" [editline]8th June 2013[/editline] he can call people bitches and cunts all he likes but it is still wrong and should be discouraged (that's what i mean when i say its wrong)
[QUOTE=Kopimi;40956189]okay thanks for this tip i'll be sure to file it away in my "posting advice" folder for future reference. maybe i got it but just thought he was an idiot for making such an outlandish and moronic comparison to prove such a basic and meaningless point?? no that couldnt be it[/QUOTE] well I'd hope it wasn't that because that's a bad way to discuss a subject
[QUOTE=Pancake Bunny;40956181]that's what I was saying the entire time; she's stupid for going there. Tyler is a dick, but it's not his fault for being angry. And nobody was attacked- she was just called a bitch, etc. What I was saying was to Winters, who said that the way Tyler reacted and his insult "was extreme" which is stupid, because she has no right to be offended if she purposely went there either to coax a reaction to prove that he should be banned, or get an apology, which I'm pretty sure she knew wouldn't happen.[/QUOTE] no, now you're in the wrong. I have no problem with her going there (the part about getting him kicked out of the country is another matter)
[QUOTE=Vedicardi;40956194]well if someone just came up to your grandma and said "fuck you old cunt" it's not like that's okay just because of freedom of speech lol, it's still a bad thing to do and "wrong" [editline]8th June 2013[/editline] he can call people bitches and cunts all he likes but it is still wrong and should be discouraged[/QUOTE] my grandma would tell that person to fuck off right back, its just words people shouldnt get that offended by them its part of every day life
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