Controversial Tea Party convention aims to boost the movement - Polidicks

[QUOTE=Used Car Salesman;20046168]Lawl, you just posed the exact reason the teabaggers are full of shit. Freedomworks is in the professional corporate shilling business, they get paid to organize stuff like this to dupe stupid, scared, old white people into attending their protests and making it look like some massive spontaneous political movement. In one way or another, they lie about every issue on that page. -The government doesn't slow telecommunications innovation, the telecom giants they support suppress competition and innovation, that's why our infrastructure sucks compared to everyone else. -Creating retirement security by privatizing Social Security? So people's social security accounts can be wiped out overnight by market crashes like the one that just happened? -Shutting down the EPA to save the environment. Right. Don't even get me started on their role in killing healthcare, they're the ones who did everything in their power to propagate the "it kills old people and helps illegals" shit that was proven time and time again to be 100% fabricated. They were founded by Republicans, are run by Republicans, and are completely funded by Republican business interests. It's not a "movement", it's corporate astroturfing.[/QUOTE] See, your problem is that you so blindly follow the Democratic Party along with the blind hatred for all Republicans that I disregard any arguments you have.

[QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;20046500]See, your problem is that you so blindly follow the Democratic Party along with the blind hatred for all Republicans that I disregard any arguments you have.[/QUOTE] Your problem is you actually believe an organization whose salaries are paid by big oil and medicine when they say "We're just your average ordinary Americans looking our for your well-being!"

[QUOTE=Used Car Salesman;20047685]Your problem is you actually believe an organization whose salaries are paid by big oil and medicine when they say "We're just your average ordinary Americans looking our for your well-being!"[/QUOTE] Source?

the tea party thing is probably the funniest joke the republicans have come up with in a while. seriously guys, keep it up

[QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;20044171]Just for curiosity's sake, why is it needed?[/QUOTE] Ideologically libertarianism is unfit for US politics. The US needs to be aggressive in the world, the libertarians would make it more isolationist and less threatening to countries that oppose us or want to become the dominant power. It might not sound like much to you or me, but if we suddenly lost that our lives would change a lot. Look at the USSR. Also the libertarian economic policy isn't feasible. Business needs the state to keep the country, and their economy, strong. The success of the economy only goes as far as how powerful the state is. The libertarians, at least the ones who would refuse to accept that, would have the state do no such thing as its overbearing and has nothing to do with the job the libertarians want it to do.

[QUOTE=Conscript;20048225]Ideologically libertarianism is unfit for US politics. The US needs to be aggressive in the world, the libertarians would make it more isolationist and less threatening to countries that oppose us or want to become the dominant power. It might not sound like much to you or me, but if we suddenly lost that our lives would change a lot. Look at the USSR. Also the libertarian economic policy isn't feasible. Business needs the state to keep the country, and their economy, strong. The success of the economy only goes as far as how powerful the state is. The libertarians, at least the ones who would refuse to accept that, would have the state do no such thing as its overbearing and has nothing to do with the job the libertarians want it to do.[/QUOTE] Most of the nations that oppose us are against us [i]because[/i] we're so aggressive and dominant. Look at nations, for example, like South Africa. They're not a global super power, and there are no terrorists flying planes into their buildings. We wouldn't have insurgents killing our soldiers if we didn't send them into problematic states like Iraq and Afghanistan. I'm don't support full isolationism, but a recession from full global power might make nations find us less threatening. As for for the economics, increased regulations isn't the answer. Even my economics teacher has said that the market needs to control the economy, not the government. Full blown laissez faire is a bit wild, I will agree, but adding more shit restricting laws and taxes isn't the correct way of going, in my opinion. I say we have few, but very strict rules. We shouldn't go, "Oh, this law is weak, lets make 20 more to help", it should go, "This law is weak, lets reinforce the standing, instead of replacing it with red tape." The economy runs best when consumers are in control of the economy, not the government or the corporations. Just giving my thoughts, not being belligerent or anything to what you believe.

[QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;20048562]Most of the nations that oppose us are against us [i]because[/i] we're so aggressive and dominant. Look at nations, for example, like South Africa. They're not a global super power, and there are no terrorists flying planes into their buildings. We wouldn't have insurgents killing our soldiers if we didn't send them into problematic states like Iraq and Afghanistan. I'm don't support full isolationism, but a recession from full global power might make nations find us less threatening.[/quote] Most nations oppose us [i]because[/i] we're the top power. 80 years ago it was Britain and France who shared the world, and two world wars started because of it. South Africa is not a global superpower nor are they prospering economically. In fact they're a terrible example because they're pretty close to the bottom of the food chain. [QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;20048562]As for for the economics, increased regulations isn't the answer. Even my economics teacher has said that the market needs to control the economy, not the government. Full blown laissez faire is a bit wild, I will agree, but adding more shit restricting laws and taxes isn't the correct way of going, in my opinion. I say we have few, but very strict rules. We shouldn't go, "Oh, this law is weak, lets make 20 more to help", it should go, "This law is weak, lets reinforce the standing, instead of replacing it with red tape." The economy runs best when consumers are in control of the economy, not the government or the corporations.[/quote] Okay, that's not what I said at all. I said that the state's interests and the economy's interests are intertwined. Increased regulation isn't government control, either. And what does 'market control' mean if it's not laissez faire? Also consumers are never in control of the economy. That's why they're consumers.

[QUOTE=Conscript;20049243]Most nations oppose us [i]because[/i] we're the top power. 80 years ago it was Britain and France who shared the world, and two world wars started because of it. [/QUOTE] That's what I said... [QUOTE=Conscript;20049243]South Africa is not a global superpower nor are they prospering economically. [/QUOTE] And they don't have terrorists targeting them every day either. [QUOTE=Conscript;20049243]Okay, that's not what I said at all. I said that the state's interests and the economy's interests are intertwined. Also consumers are never in control of the economy. That's why they're consumers.[/QUOTE] The consumer drives the economy. If not them, then who? The government? The government cannot possibly direct every resource to every need at the government's decision. Economics is about supply and demand. The consumer is the demand, and businesses are the supply. When the government gets in between these two, it screws up the economy. What happens is, the government guesses what the consumer needs, takes it from the businesses, and hands it over, taking along with it a portion of revenue. That is the basis of socialism, and I disapprove of it. Less state = more business. I'm not suggesting we get 0% government control to 100% business control, More like 5% government control to 95% business control.

[QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;20049353]That's what I said...[/quote] You said they oppose us for our actions, not what we are. [QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;20049353]And they don't have terrorists targeting them every day either.[/quote] They would if they were actively fighting third world nationalism, part of the job. [QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;20049353]The consumer drives the economy. If not them, then who? The government? The government cannot possibly direct every resource to every need at the government's decision.[/quote] That doesn't mean they control it. Slaves certainly drove the economy in old societies that relied on it, but they were far from in control of the economy. Business controls the economy. That's why business can work together to limit production with the intention of driving prices up. What power do consumers have to stop it? Especially if it's something they need, like food. [QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;20049353]Economics is about supply and demand. The consumer is the demand, and businesses are the supply. When the government gets in between these two, it screws up the economy. What happens is, the government guesses what the consumer needs, takes it from the businesses, and hands it over, taking along with it a portion of revenue.[/quote] This has nothing to do with what I'm talking about. I'm arguing that the interests of the nation (i.e. the state) are tied to the interests of its economy. It's not a complex concept. [QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;20049353]That is the basis of socialism, and I disapprove of it.[/QUOTE] No it isn't. [QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;20049353]Less state = more business. I'm not suggesting we get 0% government control to 100% business control, More like 5% government control to 95% business control.[/quote] we're not arguing over degrees of control over the economy. it doesn't matter who runs it. it doesn't change the role of the state and the interests of the economy.

[QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;20049353] I'm not suggesting we get 0% government control to 100% business control, More like 5% government control to 95% business control.[/QUOTE] That sounds like what we had after the Civil War. It was shit.

[QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;20047733]Source?[/QUOTE] [url]http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/08/15/AR2009081502696.html?nav=hcmodule&sid=ST2009081502700[/url] [quote]One of the most prominent organizers is FreedomWorks, a Washington-based advocacy group headed by former House majority leader Richard Armey (R-Tex.) that is also pushing to defeat Democratic climate-change legislation. FreedomWorks's major financial backers have included MetLife, Philip Morris and foundations controlled by the archconservative Scaife family, according to tax filings and other records. [/quote] Yeah, the very industries whose exploitative and greedy practices we're trying to stop are obviously the ones whose opinions we should be listening to. [url]http://thinkprogress.org/2009/04/09/lobbyists-planning-teaparties/[/url] [quote]Last night, Eric Odom of the DontGo website — one of the organizers of the protests — wrote a blog post stressing that these protests are displays of “regular American[s] in protest of government spending and extreme taxation,” rather than something affiliated with a political party or special interest agenda. [/quote] Yeah, sorry, in reality it's all funded by wealthy conservative families, big oil, and the health industry. Hell, back during bailout season they deliberately structured an anti-bailout website to appear as though it was made by amateurs, to hide the fact that it's really just more conservative shilling: [url]http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=90517606[/url]

[QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;20040580]Holy shit, you can tell someone's economic status [i]just by looking at them??[/i] :monocle:[/QUOTE] heh, it's easier then you think.

[QUOTE=Conscript;20049519]You said they oppose us for our actions, not what we are. [/QUOTE] Our actions define who we are. [QUOTE=Conscript;20049519]They would if they were actively fighting third world nationalism, part of the job.[/QUOTE] What? I'm a bit confused, elaborate, please. [QUOTE=Conscript;20049519]That doesn't mean they control it. Slaves certainly drove the economy in old societies that relied on it, but they were far from in control of the economy. [/QUOTE] Slaves are the labor of the business, in this sense, not the consumer [QUOTE=Conscript;20049519]Business controls the economy. That's why business can work together to limit production with the intention of driving prices up. What power do consumers have to stop it? Especially if it's something they need, like food. [/QUOTE] We have anti-trust laws. They can't do that. [QUOTE=Conscript;20049519]This has nothing to do with what I'm talking about. I'm arguing that the interests of the nation (i.e. the state) are tied to the interests of its economy. It's not a complex concept.[/QUOTE] Yes, I agree that the economy is important to a nation, but I'm saying that the government should not take control of the economy of said nation. [QUOTE=Conscript;20049519]we're not arguing over degrees of control over the economy. it doesn't matter who runs it. it doesn't change the role of the state and the interests of the economy.[/QUOTE] I misinterpreted what you were saying, sorry.

[QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;20036395]It's not one issue. [url]http://www.freedomworks.org/issues[/url][/QUOTE] yay, a cluster of retarded ideas. (it's pretty clear you're in support of these people.) [editline]01:24AM[/editline] [QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;20043984] ....I think I'm a Libertarian! :buddy:[/QUOTE] Oh dear god, you're annoying in all ways. fuck

[QUOTE=Used Car Salesman;20049588][url]http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/08/15/AR2009081502696.html?nav=hcmodule&sid=ST2009081502700[/url] Yeah, the very industries whose exploitative and greedy practices we're trying to stop are obviously the ones whose opinions we should be listening to. [url]http://thinkprogress.org/2009/04/09/lobbyists-planning-teaparties/[/url] Yeah, sorry, in reality it's all funded by wealthy conservative families, big oil, and the health industry. Hell, back during bailout season they deliberately structured an anti-bailout website to appear as though it was made by amateurs, to hide the fact that it's really just more conservative shilling: [url]http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=90517606[/url][/QUOTE] That thinkprogress .org site is just as bad as me posting freedomworks. It's a site for a specific side of an issue, not a news site like washingtonpost, which I will read.

[QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;20046500]See, your problem is that you so blindly follow the Democratic Party along with the blind hatred for all Republicans that I disregard any arguments you have.[/QUOTE] atta boy, dodge the points

[QUOTE=Trotsky;20049678]yay, a cluster of retarded ideas. (it's pretty clear you're in support of these people.)[/QUOTE] Elaborate on why they're retarded, please. Just humor us all. [QUOTE=Trotsky;20049678][editline]01:24AM[/editline] Oh dear god, you're annoying in all ways. fuck[/QUOTE] And yet you keep on quoting me....

[QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;20049735]That thinkprogress .org site is just as bad as me posting freedomworks. It's a site for a specific side of an issue, not a news site like washingtonpost, which I will read.[/QUOTE] protip: (freedom works lies. whilst thinkprogress does not)

[QUOTE=Trotsky;20049738]atta boy, dodge the points[/QUOTE] atta boy, make pointless posts.

[QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;20049754]Elaborate on why they're retarded, please. Just humor us all.[/QUOTE] First of all, they're ignorant. saying things like "socialism is deadly" "obama is a comunist" "communism is totalitariansm" "obama is hitler" "Europe is a hell hole because of socialism" Second, they use fear tactics to support their lies. Third, they blatantly lie. [editline]01:28AM[/editline] [QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;20049765]atta boy, make pointless posts.[/QUOTE] "you're what I make you out to be, therefore you are invalid" That's not pointless?

[QUOTE=Trotsky;20049760]protip: (freedom works lies. whilst thinkprogress does not)[/QUOTE] Elaborate. [editline]08:29PM[/editline] [QUOTE=Trotsky;20049796]First of all, they're ignorant. saying things like "socialism is deadly" "obama is a comunist" "communism is totalitariansm" "obama is hitler" "Europe is a hell hole because of socialism" Second, they use fear tactics to support their lies. Third, they blatantly lie. [/QUOTE] Show me quotes from the site that say any of those statements.

[QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;20048562]As for for the economics, increased regulations isn't the answer.[/quote] maybe in your fantasy world, but in reality, it is. Please give me one example where a free market has succeeded miraculously. [quote]Even my economics teacher has said that the market needs to control the economy, not the government. [/quote] your economics teacher is an idiot if he thinks the industrial revolution is an ideal time to live in. [quote]Full blown laissez faire is a bit wild, I will agree, but adding more shit restricting laws and taxes isn't the correct way of going, in my opinion.[/quote] I like not eating rat shit in my meat. FDA, that evil institution of the government, prevents that. [quote]I say we have few, but very strict rules. We shouldn't go, "Oh, this law is weak, lets make 20 more to help", it should go, "This law is weak, lets reinforce the standing, instead of replacing it with red tape." The economy runs best when consumers are in control of the economy, not the government or the corporations. Just giving my thoughts, not being belligerent or anything to what you believe.[/QUOTE] too bad it doesn't work like that

[QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;20049677]Our actions define who we are.[/quote] Outside of our image not really. [QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;20049677]What? I'm a bit confused, elaborate, please.[/quote] Third world nationalists oppose the hegemony of a global power, they are on the receiving end and at the bottom of the world. [QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;20049677]Slaves are the labor of the business, in this sense, not the consumer[/quote] Slaves make production under slavery possible. Without them, nothing would function. But that doesn't mean they were in control of the economy, were they? [QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;20049677]We have anti-trust laws. They can't do that.[/quote] It was just an example. If business wasn't in control of the economy, we wouldn't have unemployment. We wouldn't have bailouts that only help business. We wouldn't have economical decisions made by business owners. The people who own the means to produce, are in control of production, and subsequently are in control of the economy, which revolves around production. Everything does. [QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;20049677]Yes, I agree that the economy is important to a nation, but I'm saying that the government should not take control of the economy of said nation.[/quote] Well then thanks for saying something that has nothing to do with what we're talking about. [QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;20049677]I misinterpreted what you were saying, sorry.[/QUOTE] It's alright. I do it too.

[QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;20049822]Elaborate. [editline]08:29PM[/editline] Show me quotes from the site that say any of those statements.[/QUOTE] [QUOTE]Global Warming Efforts to regulate carbon dioxide are an attempt by the global Left to gain control of the U.S. economy.[/QUOTE] really? [editline]01:36AM[/editline] [QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;20049822] Show me quotes from the site that say any of those statements.[/QUOTE] you've never seen a tea party protest, have you? [editline]01:38AM[/editline] [QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;20049353] Less state = more business. I'm not suggesting we get 0% government control to 100% business control, More like 5% government control to 95% business control.[/QUOTE] Does less state generate capital? yes does it also allow exploitation of workers? fuck yes I LIKE TO BALANCE THINGS brohOUND

[QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;20049735]That thinkprogress .org site is just as bad as me posting freedomworks. It's a site for a specific side of an issue, not a news site like washingtonpost, which I will read.[/QUOTE] Except they don't blatantly lie about shit. But, if you want, ignore everything except the video of Glenn Beck telling everyone that the tea parties are organized and funded by regular people, it proves my point that they are making that claim.

[QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;20036153] The Republican Party formed in 1854, and in just six years, it won the presidency after its first convention. Just a little historical note. :patriot:[/QUOTE] Thank you slavery!!!

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe during the American Revolution it wasn't simply high taxes that the Tea Partiers were pissed off about, it was the fact that they weren't getting any representation and that the taxes were funding a war they had no part or say in, among a few other htings. These guys are just being whiny bitches about high taxes.

I just love it when people hold mass protests where only 1% of the protesters actually know what they're protesting.

[QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;20047733]Source?[/QUOTE] :psyboom:[URL]http://www.opensecrets.org/parties/contrib.php?cmte=RPC&cycle=2008[/URL] Oh also interesting fact. Anyone remember the trust busting of 1900-1910? Well I'm sure most of you are familiar with John D. Rockefeller. His Standard Oil Trust was broken up into several subsidiaries, the two largest of which were Exxon and Mobil. Well our good buddy Ronald Reagan let them reincorporate during the 1980s and ever since then, the republicans have been pursuing an economic policy similar to that of gilded age republicans. Policy that lead to two economic depressions, 3 bank runs, a financial panic, and a royal shafting of the working man. Just a little historical note :fsmug:

[QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;20040580]Holy shit, you can tell someone's economic status [i]just by looking at them??[/i] :monocle:[/QUOTE] Obviously it's pretty easy to get a general idea of someone's wealth by looking at them. [editline]05:48AM[/editline] [QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;20046500]See, your problem is that you so blindly follow the Democratic Party along with the blind hatred for all Republicans that I disregard any arguments you have.[/QUOTE] See, your problem is that you so blindly follow the Republican party along with the blind hatred for all Democrats that I disregard any arguments you have. [editline]05:52AM[/editline] [QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;20049677] [b]We have anti-trust laws. They can't do that.[/b] [/QUOTE] Sure they can. There are just consequences if they are caught.