Controversial Tea Party convention aims to boost the movement - Polidicks

[QUOTE=Hypothermic;20072603]This tea party shit is fucking retarded. Of course all the dumbest people in our country get involved with it.[/QUOTE] Political beliefs aren't retarded if you have evidence to back it up. [B]GNP = C + I + G + NX [/B] [LIST] [*]C = consumption spending by individuals [*]I = investment spending (business spending on machinery, etc.), [*]G = government purchases [*]NX = net exports [/LIST] Tax decreases will give people and businesses more money to buy shit.

[QUOTE=zombiefreak;20073590]Political beliefs aren't retarded if you have evidence to back it up. [B]GNP = C + I + G + NX [/B] [LIST] [*]C = consumption spending by individuals [*]I = investment spending (business spending on machinery, etc.), [*]G = government purchases [*]NX = net exports [/LIST] [b]Tax decreases will give people and businesses more money to buy shit.[/b][/QUOTE] Well it just so happens that a great number of Republicans believe that giving the incredibly wealthy tax cuts is a good way to restore the economy. The trickles down theory doesn't work because without a greater demand companies will have no incentive to produce more of a product, which means no incentive to hire more workers. All you're doing is putting money into the manager's pockets. So I agree that having tax cuts are good. Just not how they would do it.

[QUOTE=Melkor;20073356]You are furthering their cause whether or not it's justifiable. Even if you don't actually kill anyone. But I was talking specifically about soldiers and paramilitary death squads. Human rights issues are political issues.[/QUOTE] please, tell me, which country has the majority of the population is a military. [editline]05:01AM[/editline] [QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;20073367]Oppression = Political Political unrest is POLITICAL. It's in the fucking name! Since when is human rights issues [i]not[/i] political issues? How else do they get resolved?[/QUOTE] ideally, they aren't supposed to be debatable issues. Especially in first world countries

[QUOTE=Trotsky;20073789] ideally, they aren't supposed to be debatable issues. Especially in first world countries[/QUOTE] Too bad "ideally" isn't reality, which means that statement is irrelevant.

[QUOTE=Trotsky;20073789]please, tell me, which country has the majority of the population is a military. [editline]05:01AM[/editline] ideally, they aren't supposed to be debatable issues. Especially in first world countries[/QUOTE] You do realize that there are countries that require a mandatory amount of military service from each and every one of their citizens with the exception of special cases that involve mental or physical illness right?

[QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;20073854]Too bad "ideally" isn't reality, which means that statement is irrelevant.[/QUOTE] In countries that commonly disobey human rights, it would be irrelevant. but in a country that's a first world country, it shouldn't be an issue. [editline]05:09AM[/editline] [QUOTE=Melkor;20073865]You do realize that there are countries that require a mandatory amount of military service from each and every one of their citizens with the exception of special cases that involve mental or physical illness right?[/QUOTE] Like china and north korea... but just being forced into the military makes you a bad person?

[QUOTE=Trotsky;20073877] [editline]05:09AM[/editline] Like china and north korea... but just being forced into the military makes you a bad person?[/QUOTE] Like Israel and Iran. And no I never said it made you a bad person. Even if you're forced to do things which are morally questionable.

[QUOTE=Trotsky;20073877]In countries that commonly disobey human rights, it would be irrelevant. but in a country that's a first world country, it shouldn't be an issue.[/QUOTE] There's no such thing as a utopian "perfect" nation, and first world countries are no exception. A "first world nation" just means it has a better standard of living, not a perfect standard of living. We're not arguing what ought to be, we are talking about what IS. And what is, is the fact that civil wars, revolutions, and human rights issues are always political issues and political in nature.

[QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;20036153]Source: [url]http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2010/02/04/controversial-tea-party-convention-aims-to-boost-the-movement/?fbid=pJzpwS-ZFIO#more-89005[/url] The Republican Party formed in 1854, and in just six years, it won the presidency after its first convention. Just a little historical note. :patriot:[/QUOTE] I take it that little emoticon at the end means you view this Tea Party Convention in a positive light? Hah, I love your politically/morally flawed mind :3

[QUOTE=Rimor Animus;20073999]I take it that little emoticon at the end means you view this Tea Party Convention in a positive light? Hah, I love your politically/morally flawed mind :3[/QUOTE] Oh damn, my Facepunch stalker found me.

[QUOTE=Rimor Animus;20073999]I take it that little emoticon at the end means you view this Tea Party Convention in a positive light? Hah, I love your politically/[b]morally[/b] flawed mind :3[/QUOTE] The fuck? The only morals that are presented here are wanting to protest against the government. There is absolutely nothing wrong with it. You're just a blind Obama follower.

[QUOTE=zombiefreak;20075859]The fuck? The only morals that are presented here are wanting to protest against the government. There is absolutely nothing wrong with it. You're just a blind Obama follower.[/QUOTE] They do more than just that. Have you seen their signs? They compare Obama to Hitler, Stalin, etc. They're doing a lot more than just "protesting against the government."

[QUOTE=zombiefreak;20075859]The fuck? The only morals that are presented here are wanting to protest against the government. There is absolutely nothing wrong with it. You're just a blind Obama follower.[/QUOTE] uh Except they lie and use fear tactics and their ideas are unhealthy.

[QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;20072506]Revolution: Political Political Unrest: Durr Slavery: Political issue[/QUOTE] Slavery is not a political issue. It's a social issue if anything. [editline]12:43PM[/editline] [QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;20073367]Oppression = Political Political unrest is POLITICAL. It's in the fucking name! Since when is human rights issues [I]not[/I] political issues? How else do they get resolved?[/QUOTE] Since it's been a social issue, because human rights is a question in society. And oppression isn't a political issue either, it's a social issue.

[QUOTE=Cloak Raider;20079127]Slavery is not a political issue. It's a social issue if anything. [editline]12:43PM[/editline] Since it's been a social issue, because human rights is a question in society. And oppression isn't a political issue either, it's a social issue.[/QUOTE] Social issues [b]are[/b] political issues.

[QUOTE=Trotsky;20073789]please, tell me, which country has the majority of the population is a military. [/QUOTE] Egypt. 60% of the population work for the government.

[QUOTE=Trotsky;20077179]uh Except they lie and use fear tactics and their ideas are unhealthy.[/QUOTE] I'm shocked, no rebuttal for me? I feel unloved :frown:

[QUOTE=Melkor;20085750]Social issues [b]are[/b] political issues.[/QUOTE] uhh social issues will exist whether or not a government exists. Social issues, are not political issues. [editline]09:34PM[/editline] [QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;20086231]I'm shocked, no rebuttal for me? I feel unloved :frown:[/QUOTE] the argument is extremely useless and I don't even remember what the point was and it has nothing to do with the tea party. [editline]09:35PM[/editline] [QUOTE=zombiefreak;20085862]Egypt. 60% of the population work for the government.[/QUOTE] I'd like to know where you're getting that, and so what?

[QUOTE=Trotsky;20086536] the argument is extremely useless and I don't even remember what the point was and it has nothing to do with the tea party. [/QUOTE] Wow, never seen you concede an argument before, let alone one to me. World might be ending...2012..... :tinfoil:

[QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;20086857]Wow, never seen you concede an argument before, let alone one to me. World might be ending...2012..... :tinfoil:[/QUOTE] you're argument is social issues are always political it's not and the argument is pointless

[QUOTE=Trotsky;20087334]you're argument is social issues are always political it's not and the argument is pointless[/QUOTE] You have yet to explain why they are not other than repetitively stating "social issues aren't political issues".

[QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;20087653]You have yet to explain why they are not other than repetitively stating "social issues aren't political issues".[/QUOTE] uh and you have explained otherwise?

549 dollars a ticket? Grassroots my ass

[QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;20087653]You have yet to explain why they are not other than repetitively stating "social issues aren't political issues".[/QUOTE] because social issues are issues that effect society. political issues are issues in politics. this is fairly simple.

[QUOTE=Cloak Raider;20089778]because social issues are issues that effect society. political issues are issues in politics. this is fairly simple.[/QUOTE] What political issue is there that does not effect society? Society [i]creates[/i] governments. The idea of a government is to provide solutions to social issues.

[QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;20089799]What political issue is there that does not effect society? Society [I]creates[/I] governments. The idea of a government is to provide solutions to social issues.[/QUOTE] Something like discussion on renaming the president to El'Dictatorio would be a political issue, but not a societal one. Or investigations into a political party.

[QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;20089799]What political issue is there that does not effect society? Society [i]creates[/i] governments. The idea of a government is to provide solutions to social issues.[/QUOTE] there are issues that can be solved on local levels without government. There are certain systems without government. will it work? not for long, but the point is, just because social issues CAN be solved through official legislation, doesn't mean it's the only way.

[QUOTE=Trotsky;20089936]there are issues that can be solved on local levels without government. There are certain systems without government. will it work? not for long, but the point is, just because social issues CAN be solved through official legislation, doesn't mean it's the only way.[/QUOTE] I believe that's called [i]local governments[/i]. :downs: [editline]07:30PM[/editline] [QUOTE=Cloak Raider;20089917]Something like discussion on renaming the president to El'Dictatorio would be a political issue, but not a societal one. Or investigations into a political party.[/QUOTE] Political parties are groups in society pushing for a set of beliefs. An investigation into one is a social issue.

[QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;20090008]I believe that's called [I]local governments[/I]. :downs: [editline]07:30PM[/editline] Political parties are groups in society pushing for a set of beliefs. An investigation into one is a social issue.[/QUOTE] No it isn't, because an investigation would not change the condition of society, nor the manner of it. Also wrong, government is not required for society.

[QUOTE=Cloak Raider;20090059]No it isn't, because an investigation would not change the condition of society, nor the manner of it. Also wrong, government is not required for society.[/QUOTE] It doesn't need to change it. It just needs to involve it, which it does. And when did I say government is required for society?