Lightning storms shoot antimatter beams into SPACE!
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[QUOTE=ASmellyOgre;27351331]Yes, both positrons and electrons are created in the thunderstorm. Didn't you watch the video?[/QUOTE]
Of course not, I thought that was obvious, I'm busy listening to Lester Flatt and Earl Scruggs to watch videos :v:
[QUOTE=maurits150;27347818]So we could basicly use magnetic fields to control where antimatter is going, and eventually store it that way?[/QUOTE]
Yeah, if you got a magnetic field as strong as earths. And even then you couldnt store it on earth cause it would fuck with our actual magnetic field.
Wait, so if you flew over a thunderstorm there would be a chance of being obliterated by an anti-matter burst?
Wait nevermind I read that wrong.
So the satellite turned into a gamma ray source. If for some reason you got hit by it, would you die from the gamma rays that you would emit?
Or would the particles need time to accelerate?
Earth is fucking awesome.
Shit this is confusing
[QUOTE=The DooD;27347764]So are positrons like positive electrons?[/QUOTE]
No they aren't. They have same electric polarity as electrons. They just annihilate in case of touching them.
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[QUOTE=Zenreon117;27352427]Yeah, if you got a magnetic field as strong as earths. And even then you couldnt store it on earth cause it would fuck with our actual magnetic field.[/QUOTE]
That's untrue. The field has to be stronger than earths only locally, and that happens around each fucking fridge magnet you have. Think about it. If the earth's magnetic field was stronger than the magnet, then why do metal objects stick to the magnets instead of earth?
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Not to mention scientists have already held antimatter contained for some time, which kinda proves it's possible.
[QUOTE=maurits150;27347818]So we could basicly use magnetic fields to control where antimatter is going, and eventually store it that way?[/QUOTE]
We are already doing this.
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[QUOTE=BmB;27347877]Yeah, could this be a good way to manufacture antimatter?
Level up! 1 skill point in energy for humanity![/QUOTE]
Not really. Simply too less anti-matter and from the wrong type. Anti-hydrogen/hydrogen annihilation is a way more efficient than positron/electron annihilation.
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[QUOTE=Askaris;27348125]Here's hoping harvesting storm antimatter becomes a new industry.[/QUOTE]
Won't happen. Harvesting a thunder-storms electricity is way more efficient and easier achievable but still pointless.
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[QUOTE=ASmellyOgre;27348442]That is how we store antimatter nowadays. The only other way we know of is cooling it down to nearly absolute zero, and that only works with hydrogen.[/QUOTE]
You are mixing up quite a lot.
First of all, yes, we are storing anti-hydrogen-cores (a.k.a. anti-protons) and therefore anti-matter in a magnetic field. But the anti-matter isn't cooled to nearly absolute zero. Just the coils for the magnetic trap are cooled if they are superconducting and not necessarily to nearly absolute zero (high-temperature superconductivity works even at -70°C, around 200 K). Also cooling anti-matter means, bringing it into thermal contact with other matter = annihilation (if classically cooled). Laser-cooling and trapping could work too, but only on anti-hygdrogen and not on their cores (since you need a positron to interact with the light). But the losses in the necessary magneto-optical traps are way too high for this being efficient.
Also, we store anti-hydrogen because it's the easiest anti-matter atom we can create (I'm not even sure if we have created more complex anti-matter atoms yet)
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[QUOTE=Master117;27348836]Holy fuck... if someone can figure out a way to capture this anti-matter, we would have a huge collection of it to use as a MASSIVE source of energy.[/QUOTE]
People just hear "anti-matter" and think about "massive energy" which simply can't be generalized and all depends on the quantity.
Sure, 1 kg of anti-hydrogen will release a massive amount of energy when annihilated. But the fact is, that anti-matter created in such thunder-storms is a tiny tiny tiny tiny fraction of the energy of the flash. It's a shit more efficient to use the energy of the flash instead of the tiny tiny tiny tiny fraction of it which got converted to anti-matter. And still, the energy in a flash is no sufficient to fit humanities demands in energy. Also it's way to much spread randomly over earth.
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[QUOTE=bravehat;27350566]Use magnets in orbit to influence the path of the antimatter and capture it, there's a place in the south pacific that has near constant lightning storms, I'd says that's a good place to set up a trial run at least.[/QUOTE]
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[*]The magnets must be dynamically adjustable so the path for transferring the charged positrons will be always right -> Not going to happen
[*]The magnets would influence earth's magnetic field -> Not going to happen
[*]The positrons will annihilate on their travel through air -> Not going to happen
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[QUOTE=markfu;27352508]Wait, so if you flew over a thunderstorm there would be a chance of being obliterated by an anti-matter burst?[/QUOTE]
No, there is only a chance of getting killed by the flash. The anti-matter created there is too less.
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[QUOTE=Awesomecaek;27352701]No they aren't. They have same electric polarity as electrons. They just annihilate in case of touching them.[/QUOTE]
No, a positron has the opposite charge of an electron. The physical definition of "anti" is opposite charge of either the particle itself (positron) or the fundamental particles building up that particle (anti-neutron where the quarks have opposite charge but still as a whole keep the anti-neutron electronically uncharged).
Coolio.
I stand corrected.
What if someone turns the clouds upside-down :ohdear:
We'd get anomalies
[QUOTE=Capitulazyguy;27354333]What if someone turns the clouds upside-down :ohdear:[/QUOTE]
Then it's upside-down.
That's the most metal news thread title in quite a long time.
Sounds cool, but from the looks of it fairly useless.
[QUOTE=Capitulazyguy;27354333]What if someone turns the clouds upside-down :ohdear:[/QUOTE]
This
[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6NEg_nr6KWM[/media]
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