Copenhagen bars harassed by locals trying to enforce Sharia law - Polidicks

[QUOTE=Pantz Master;50319170]We need to throw away the word "Islamophobia" and start using "anti-Muslim bigotry". There is nothing wrong with hating/fearing Islam. But bigotry needs to be called out.[/QUOTE] Yes, bigotry like hating/fearing needs to be called out. I suggest we start using a more accurate term than "anti-Muslim bigotry" though, like "Islamophobia".

[QUOTE=Pantz Master;50319170]Yes. Hence the whole "this is a non-drinking area" part.[/QUOTE] Do you think that's the primary reason when they've been trying for who knows how long to get protection money from them? Also, have you heard of "Rockere"? Basically gangs like Bandidos, Hells Angels etc. Protection money is not a new concept. Maybe there are other groups that try to enforce sharia law, but the primary motivation that the bar owners cite is protection money. Reading the Danish source posted earlier, only one bar said they had been harassed by people trying to enforce sharia.

Also worth mentioning that they're extorting a lot of money in the process so this is clearly not a religious matter and more just basic thuggery that uses religion to justify theft. You don't need religious justification to push for protection money, the shariah law thing is just to flex and be more intimidating.

[QUOTE=GoDong-DK;50319208]Do you think that's the primary reason when they've been trying for who knows how long to get protection money from them? Also, have you heard of "Rockere"? Basically gangs like Bandidos, Hells Angels etc. Protection money is not a new concept. Maybe there are other groups that try to enforce sharia law, but the primary motivation that the bar owners cite is protection money. Reading the Danish source posted earlier, only one bar said they had been harassed by people trying to enforce sharia.[/QUOTE] Why is this limited to bars? If this is a mafiaesque protection racket then they should soon be running brothels, card games, and convenience stores. [editline]14th May 2016[/editline] [QUOTE=Ruski v2.0;50319193]Read the damn article.[/QUOTE] They could be immigrants or Muslims born in Denmark who are from an immigrant heritage.

[QUOTE=Pantz Master;50319221]Why is this limited to bars? If this is a mafiaesque protection racket then they should soon be running brothels, card games, and convenience stores.[/QUOTE] Maybe they're just relatively small time who aren't trying to expand and are just milking the cow because it visibly is a fairly easy one to exploit ?

[QUOTE=Dzonintz;50319159]This ,,islamophobia'' meme is actually the worst. Anyone who says it unironically has p much been indoctrinated by The Muslim Brotherhood.[/QUOTE] Labeling non-muslims who dares to criticize the "peaceful" religion of islam as islamophobic is also a trend here.

[QUOTE=Ganerumo;50319214]Also worth mentioning that they're extorting a lot of money in the process so this is clearly not a religious matter and more just basic thuggery that uses religion to justify theft. You don't need religious justification to push for protection money, the shariah law thing is just to flex and be more intimidating.[/QUOTE] The lengths people will go to to try and pretend none of this has anything to do with Islam... Imagine this: Police arrest a man for murder. He killed his neighbor and robbed his house. When asked why he did it, he tells the police "I simply wanted his stuff, and I didn't want to leave a living witness." Nobody would have any problem with taking the man at his word, and agreeing this was a simple material crime. Now take the story from the article. These men are [I]telling us[/I] they are doing this because they want to enforce Sharia law. Why are you guys jumping through hoops to try and pretend this has nothing to do with Islam?

[QUOTE=Ruski v2.0;50319193]Read the damn article.[/QUOTE] "Indvandrerbaggrund" (you know, the word used in the Danish source) doesn't necessarily mean you came to Denmark yesterday. You can be born in Denmark and still have indvandrerbaggrund. And how the fuck would they know whether they were born in Denmark or not when they haven't caught the perpetrators? Maybe take a second and think before you post.

[QUOTE=Ganerumo;50319224]Maybe they're just relatively small time who aren't trying to expand and are just milking the cow because it visibly is a fairly easy one to exploit ?[/QUOTE] Or maybe threatening the bar owners with a tax is a way to try and get them to shut down their businesses. You know, because they're trying to enforce Sharia law. Like they're telling us.

I didn't say it has nothing to do with Islam. I'm saying it's not primarily religiously motivated but financially motivated, with religion as an excuse to perpetuate the acts. How naive do you have to be to think that criminals who extort money for a living would be 100% honest when talking about their religious beliefs and enforcement of these beliefs ? How is extorting money related to enforcing Sharia law ? because they say so doesn't mean it's true, they're fucking lowlife criminals.

[QUOTE=Pantz Master;50319221]Why is this limited to bars? If this is a mafiaesque protection racket then they should soon be running brothels, card games, and convenience stores.[/QUOTE] Maybe, who knows? Why does it matter? We have rockerne to take money form everyone else if you think it's a problem that they limit their activities to bars.

[QUOTE=Ganerumo;50319238]I didn't say it has nothing to do with Islam. I'm saying it's not primarily religiously motivated but financially motivated, with religion as an excuse to perpetuate the acts. How naive do you have to be to think that criminals who extort money for a living would be 100% honest when talking about their religious beliefs and enforcement of these beliefs ? How is extorting money related to enforcing Sharia law ? because they say so doesn't mean it's true, they're fucking lowlife criminals.[/QUOTE] I guess you're in the telepathy business then. You won't take them at their word for it, you always have to look for the [I]real[/I] motive for why they're doing what they're doing.

[QUOTE=Pantz Master;50319251]I guess you're in the telepathy business then. You won't take them at their word for it, you always have to look for the [I]real[/I] motive for why they're doing what they're doing.[/QUOTE] The fact they are extorting a lot of money from these people and are being very aggressive about it is kind of a hint that they're looking for more than forcing people to follow their beliefs. This is how dirty money works. You don't just flat out do it with no excuse or cover to do so. "Protection money" is just one cover among many. Money laundering is entirely based on that concept. You pretend to be doing something justifiable or legal and then do something dirty behind it.

[QUOTE=Pantz Master;50319251]I guess you're in the telepathy business then. You won't take them at their word for it, you always have to look for the [I]real[/I] motive for why they're doing what they're doing.[/QUOTE] Yeah, one of the bars mentioned that they had cited sharia law as their reason. Why do you infer that that is the primary reason when A) Only one bar reported it B) The extortion has been going on for at least 5-6 years. Please do tell.

[QUOTE=GoDong-DK;50319263]Yeah, one of the bars mentioned that they had cited sharia law as their reason. Why do you infer that that is the primary reason when A) Only one bar reported it B) The extortion has been going on for at least 5-6 years. Please do tell.[/QUOTE] Lets go back to the article: [quote]The concept of Sharia zones was introduced by a group called ‘Call to Islam’ some five years ago. Using volunteers, pockets of activists embark on daily patrols of the neighborhood and approach those who drink, gamble, or engage in other activities seen by the group as running contrary to Islamic beliefs.[/quote] So explicitly Sharia-motivated anti drinking behavior has been going on for 5 years. Protection money hasn't been demanded for 5 years, anti drinking patrols have been going on for 5 years. Please re-read the article.

I like how you cherrypick the parts that mention the sharia and conveniently leave out the parts that mention stealing money from people.

[QUOTE=Ganerumo;50319286]I like how you cherrypick the parts that mention the sharia and conveniently leave out the parts that mention stealing money from people.[/QUOTE] Back to the article again: [quote]The gangs also use firecrackers and stones to smash windows and assault premises, while the police seem to unable to stop such behavior from youths. Mucki Bar owner, Birgitte Fischer, claims that the gang asked them for at least 60,000 DKK ($9,200) as so-called “protection money.”[/quote] There is nothing to suggest this wasn't a one time demand.

[QUOTE=Pantz Master;50319293]Back to the article again: There is nothing to suggest this wasn't a one time demand.[/QUOTE] The Danish article linked on the first page actually says that (shitty and quick translation): [quote]Mohammed Ahmed [co-owner of the bar] tells Radio24syv that he has met the group of youths hanging out around the bar "many times", and that they approach him and ask "when we will pay the money". He is convinced that the extensive harassment and vandalism is supposed to "tire us out" and make them pay.[/quote]

You don't ask for 10k bucks in protection money all at once, and even if you do ask for that, you're not gonna get it. A beer in Denmark is like 25 DKK if my immediate research says anything. A bartender isn't going to have sixty thousand DKK just sitting behind the counter in case of emergency extortion.

[QUOTE=GoDong-DK;50319106]I must admit that I wonder why this is in international news, though. Sure, it should be dealt with, but this is pretty politicized. I mean, today it was also revealed that a camp boss has threatened asylum seekers in the camp if they didn't do as he said - that's actually an issue where the minister of integration (Inger Støjberg) could benefit from going there and talk to people; maybe it's an issue that is general to asylum camps because of too little oversight? Not to say that this isn't an issue, but I think it's way more about money than sharia. It has been going on for quite a few years, this time there's just an extra sharia spin on it. Of course it should be stopped, though, but this is a bunch of gangs that want protection money from their turf, I don't think the sharia part is all that important to them. This is gang related activity and it should be treated as such.[/QUOTE] Exactly, Nørrebro has always had a problem with organized crime, in some places its a full blown ghetto, which is very bad for us all. It's protection racketeering, nothing else really. And it is really hard to control because the criminal culture is so deeply ingrained in Nørrebro. I had a friend that lived in there and I would literally have a bunch of people walking behind me all the time for some reason, scared the shit out of me. She moved since because you cant have two children grow up in that environment.

[QUOTE=Pantz Master;50319277]Lets go back to the article: So explicitly Sharia-motivated anti drinking behavior has been going on for 5 years. [B] Protection money hasn't been demanded for 5 years[/B], anti drinking patrols have been going on for 5 years. Please re-read the article.[/QUOTE] You may have noticed the "DK" in my name and the danish flag under my avatar - I have access to articles you don't. "Kaldet til Islam" hasn't been mentioned in any Danish article regarding this case (as far as I can tell, at least not the actual source, radio24syv), there's no indication that this is "official patrolling" or anything like that by that group. Also, the extortion goes back to beyond five years ago. [B]And that [/B]is just demonstrably wrong.

[QUOTE=Pantz Master;50319122]Where are you conjuring this from? Why aren't regular Danes doing this?[/QUOTE] I watched a news report on this, and didn't even hear about the Sharia part, just that some kids that wanted to be thugs tried to extort protection money from a couple of local bars.

[QUOTE=Pantz Master;50319293]Back to the article again: There is nothing to suggest this wasn't a one time demand.[/QUOTE] I didn't know Sharia calling for this too [editline]14th May 2016[/editline] Surely they are not just using the current controversy and fear of Muslims as a tool to extort more money... [editline]14th May 2016[/editline] [quote]Addressing the abuse faced by local bar owners Støjberg stressed that the youth should stop harassing locals and instead must focus on getting “an education and a job, so they can become part of Danish society.”[/quote] The bar owner has it right.

[QUOTE=Killuah;50319478]I didn't know Sharia calling for this too [editline]14th May 2016[/editline] Surely they are not just using the current controversy and fear of Muslims as a tool to extort more money... [editline]14th May 2016[/editline] The bar owner has it right.[/QUOTE] Støjberg is our integration minister, though. Edit: Wrote prime for some dumb reason.

[QUOTE=Pantz Master;50319170] The Muslim Brotherhood invented the word deliberately to shield criticism of Islam. Their strategy has worked flawlessly so far. We need to throw away the word "Islamophobia" and start using "anti-Muslim bigotry". There is nothing wrong with hating/fearing Islam. But bigotry needs to be called out.[/QUOTE] Not even that, we need to start differentiating between hating people from the middle east (which is wrong because there are people who come over from the middle east who actually integrate) and hating islam (which is a horrible ass backwards religion that deserves all the criticism it gets. Too many people conflate hating islam with hating middle eastern people.

[QUOTE=GoDong-DK;50319508]Støjberg is our integration minister, though. Edit: Wrote prime for some dumb reason.[/QUOTE] Oh yeah missed that. Anyway still the best way to deal with this.

[QUOTE=carcarcargo;50319524] Too many people conflate hating islam with hating middle eastern people.[/QUOTE] Because (some) people from middle east believe in islam.

Its quite simple logic really......don't like the rules in a country you moved to? fuck off back home then and see if your better off.

Good to see this topic went up again after my thread was closed.

I live 500 meters from one of the bars mentioned in the article and can tell you that these "gangs/groups" have absolutely nothing to do with spreading Sharia zones. They want money as usual and they'll pull any pathetic stunt they can to get it. It gets extra funny when you know the people selling hashish at every playground on Nørrebro are tied to the very same organised crime network. And before you give the police any shit for "being slow" please do realise that even if they spend the resources on blocking off an entire street so these people have nowhere to run, 5 new kids will be ready to take over next week.