Woman shot in the head after knocking on door and asking for help - Polidicks

[QUOTE=hexpunK;42788607]So, you're paranoid basically? Expecting the worst and thinking the appropriate action is "I need a thing to kill the worst!" doesn't seem like a healthy train of thought. Home intrusions aren't going to be guys who want you dead, they are going to be guys who want your stuff for money. Stuff is replaceable.[/QUOTE] You call it paranoia I call it being prepared for the unlikely event something happens. Its not like I'm lying in bed fondling a handgun praying to god that someone doesn't break into my house.

[QUOTE=lolz3;42788597]To defend from a tyrannical Government take over which WILL happen. You think Cops are there for that? Cops are NOT your friends, the average response time for a single unit officer is 15 - 20 minutes IF YOU ARE LUCKY. Cops are there to protect Government establishments, that is their only priority and to arrest people that question or protest this. Criminals have more protection and rights then the people they victimize. Former cops and soldiers will tell you this. Once society has been disarmed the Government can reign freely and feed and leach off of everyone. You ban guns you allow it to be easier, not harder for criminals to get them. Every person in my neighborhood owns at least one gun and there has not been a single criminal act in 20 years in my area. But despite all that, I'm still the "EVIL HOMOPHOBIC CONSERVATIVE CHRISTIAN FAUX NEWS WATCHAAAAAAAAAA!" Every gun debate about taking guns has failed miserably. [IMG]http://weknowmemes.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/05/guns-kill-people-american-dad-meme.jpg[/IMG][/QUOTE] if you had even a cursory education in this kind of thing you'd know how fucking dumb the whole 'militia' shit is. do you seriously think a actually never mind EDIT: also nice meme

[QUOTE=Chili Banan;42788653]That works both ways you know.[/QUOTE] I didn't word it in a way that would assume otherwise

[QUOTE=darkrei9n;42788677]You call it paranoia I call it being prepared for the unlikely event something happens. Its not like I'm lying in bed fondling a handgun praying to god that someone doesn't break into my house.[/QUOTE] Fine. Lets try another approach then. What does it say about your society that you fear home invaders enough to feel having a gun purely in the name of defence is a valid thing? Note how this fear could be avoided if you implemented the various safety nets most first world countries have rather than relying on someone having bootstraps to pull themselves up with.

[QUOTE=darkrei9n;42788677]You call it paranoia I call it being prepared for the unlikely event something happens. Its not like I'm lying in bed fondling a handgun praying to god that someone doesn't break into my house.[/QUOTE] Idk all the NRA rhetoric is based on paranoia. The talk about "the window breaking in the night" and "mentally ill monsters walking the streets". These are quotes btw.

[QUOTE=Jack Trades;42788490]Funny how "guns are just tools" is apparently a valid argument now. Yes, guns are tools...tools made specifically for killing people. Do you want retards killing people left and right? No? How about not giving them the tools that are designed to do just that?[/QUOTE] I FIX ALL MY APPLIANCES WITH GUNS ASS HOLE AND IF YOU THINK YOU CAN TAKE AWAY MY RIGHT TO EXERCISE MY VIDEO GAME-INFLUENCED GUN HOBBY THEN YOU'VE GOT ANOTHER THING COMING

[QUOTE=hexpunK;42788728]Fine. Lets try another approach then. What does it say about your society that you fear home invaders enough to feel having a gun purely in the name of defence is a valid thing? Note how this fear could be avoided if you implemented the various safety nets most first world countries have rather than relying on someone having bootstraps to pull themselves up with.[/QUOTE] I'm curious, in the UK what safety nets are there to prevent your home from being burgled whilst you stand idly by? Do you not have the right to defend your own property? (not saying you should kill someone because they broke in)

[QUOTE=NoDachi;42788736]Idk all the NRA rhetoric is based on paranoia. The talk about "the window breaking in the night" and "mentally ill monsters walking the streets". These are quotes btw.[/QUOTE] Most reasonable gun owners would have the NRA disposed of if they could. They frequently try and do what's best for the GOP, not for gun owners.

[QUOTE=fireball397;42788786]I'm curious, in the UK what safety nets are there to prevent your home from being burgled whilst you stand idly by? Do you not have the right to defend your own property? (not saying you should kill someone because they broke in)[/QUOTE] People are less likely to turn to burglary in the UK as we have a welfare system that (mostly) works, you are able to get housing, food supplies, occasional extra commodities you want. Crime is less appealing when you can just get a lot of help from the State itself. Our police forces, for the most part, do their jobs quite well with fairly rapid response times, and even if they miss the event itself will try and solve it. We can defend our property, however excessive force (so, more than the intruder is using) is of questionable legality.

You can always count on FP to jump on a gun debate when someone who is sick in the head uses a gun, but totally disregards other causes of a man's well being. Adding laws to restrict guns still doesn't seem to work, since criminals don't obey laws, and continue to sell guns and buy guns without issue.

[QUOTE=Leo Leonardo;42788830]Most reasonable gun owners would have the NRA disposed of if they could. They frequently try and do what's best for the GOP, not for gun owners.[/QUOTE] I'm sure that is the case. I don't actually believe the majority of gun owners are bad at all. But the NRA is the key political interest group for gun ownership in the USA. I myself was going to own a lee-enfield rifle years ago until I got bored of range shooting. [editline]7th November 2013[/editline] [QUOTE=lolo;42788886]Adding laws to restrict guns still doesn't seem to work, since criminals don't obey laws, and continue to sell guns and buy guns without issue.[/QUOTE] Not true.

Wow what a murderous asshole, lock him up for the rest of his life in case you feel bad about ending it.

[QUOTE=NoDachi;42788736]Idk all the NRA rhetoric is based on paranoia. The talk about "the window breaking in the night" and "mentally ill monsters walking the streets". These are quotes btw.[/QUOTE] The NRA is dumb and has done many questionable things. This is a widely held opinion. They are also entirely too political.

Criminals follow laws? Please do tell. I want to move to where you live.

[QUOTE=Squad1993;42788917]Criminals follow laws? Please do tell. I want to move to where you live.[/QUOTE] This man wasn't a criminal though. And yes, laws do stop this kind of stuff happening. The "criminals don't follow laws" is such an obviously dumb logical fallacy I wonder why its repeated so much by gun owners.

[QUOTE=hexpunK;42788867]People are less likely to turn to burglary in the UK as we have a welfare system that (mostly) works, you are able to get housing, food supplies, occasional extra commodities you want. Crime is less appealing when you can just get a lot of help from the State itself. Our police forces, for the most part, do their jobs quite well with fairly rapid response times, and even if they miss the event itself will try and solve it. We can defend our property, however excessive force (so, more than the intruder is using) is of questionable legality.[/QUOTE] so why did the two guys in the psycho-brigade dumb this post when it was cordially responding to another guy's post. do you guys hate reasonable discussion or something. wtf.

[QUOTE=lolz3;42788597]To defend from a tyrannical Government take over which WILL happen. You think Cops are there for that? Cops are NOT your friends, the average response time for a single unit officer is 15 - 20 minutes IF YOU ARE LUCKY. Cops are there to protect Government establishments, that is their only priority and to arrest people that question or protest this. Criminals have more protection and rights then the people they victimize. Former cops and soldiers will tell you this. Once society has been disarmed the Government can reign freely and feed and leach off of everyone. You ban guns you allow it to be easier, not harder for criminals to get them. Every person in my neighborhood owns at least one gun and there has not been a single criminal act in 20 years in my area. But despite all that, I'm still the "EVIL HOMOPHOBIC CONSERVATIVE CHRISTIAN FAUX NEWS WATCHAAAAAAAAAA!" Every gun debate about taking guns has failed miserably.[/QUOTE] I understand and sympathize with not wanting to give too much physical power too the government but giving basically everyone who wants one a gun is about the worst possible solution. I don't trust the average person with a gun and an angry mob mentality any more than I do the government.

[QUOTE=NoDachi;42788934]This man wasn't a criminal though. And yes, laws do stop this kind of stuff happening. The "criminals don't follow laws" is such an obviously dumb logical fallacy I wonder why its repeated so much by gun owners.[/QUOTE] Counter to gun control laws. logic is that you take away the guns from the good people, while the bad still have theirs. No one wins.

[QUOTE=JohnnyMo1;42788950]I understand and sympathize with not wanting to give too much physical power too the government [B]but giving basically everyone who wants one a gun[/B] is about the worst possible solution. I don't trust the average person with a gun and an angry mob mentality any more than I do the government.[/QUOTE] I said that where? Saying you don't trust the average person with a firearm shows you're paranoid. I trust my recovering alcoholic neighbor with his .30-.30 then ANY cop from the police station down the street. Know why? Because he's never done anything with it and he was drunk off his ass. Six cops work down the road that have criminal records of abuse and excessive force and still have their job.

[QUOTE=JohnnyMo1;42788950]I understand and sympathize with not wanting to give too much physical power too the government but giving basically everyone who wants one a gun is about the worst possible solution. I don't trust the average person with a gun and an angry mob mentality any more than I do the government.[/QUOTE] But you still need to be a rebellion fantasist if you think private firearm ownership has a direct correlation with democracy. It doesn't, world wide. [editline]7th November 2013[/editline] [QUOTE=Squad1993;42788964]Counter to gun control laws. logic is that you take away the guns from the good people, while the bad still have theirs. No one wins.[/QUOTE] [img]http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/1/16/Firearmsources.svg/516px-Firearmsources.svg.png[/img]

[QUOTE=NoDachi;42788968]But you still need to be a rebellion fantasist if you think private firearm ownership has a direct correlation with democracy. It doesn't, world wide. [editline]7th November 2013[/editline] [img]http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/1/16/Firearmsources.svg/516px-Firearmsources.svg.png[/img][/QUOTE] Find a more recent and relevant source.

[QUOTE=Squad1993;42788917]Criminals follow laws? Please do tell. I want to move to where you live.[/QUOTE] Boy you are sure full of insight tonight aren't you? This argument is worn to the fucking bone, stop using it. Criminals do not follow laws, correct, want a cookie? However, restrictions still affect them. With less guns in legal circulation there are less places for guns to "vanish", and therefore less to be fed into the black market or private trades. This is a really, really simple concept. It's why a rusted, barely working piece of shit handgun costs 10x more in the UK than the US, there's less floating around. Considering a lot of illegal guns were legal at one point [1], and are mostly stolen from legal owners, or vanished from stores, restrictions would lower the number in circulation easily. People in the US have already shown how well an amnesty works, with them unquestionably handing in tons of guns with the offer of money or vouchers (even family relics like STG-44s turn up). [1] [url]http://www.nij.gov/nij/topics/crime/gun-violence/trafficking/illegal-markets.htm[/url]

[QUOTE=Squad1993;42788995]Find a more recent and relevant source.[/QUOTE] What is wrong with it?

[QUOTE=NoDachi;42788968]But you still need to be a rebellion fantasist if you think private firearm ownership has a direct correlation with democracy. It doesn't, world wide.[/QUOTE] Was that directed at me or a general comment because I didn't mean that.

[QUOTE=Squad1993;42788995]Find a more recent and relevant source.[/QUOTE] 19[b]9[/b]7. That's recent enough. I could understand your complaint if it said 19[b]7[/b]7.

[QUOTE=CheeseMan;42788938]so why did the two guys in the psycho-brigade dumb this post when it was cordially responding to another guy's post. do you guys hate reasonable discussion or something. wtf.[/QUOTE] Kinda getting fed up of people hiding behind the rating system.

[QUOTE=JohnnyMo1;42789009]Was that directed at me or a general comment because I didn't mean that.[/QUOTE] General. Its just that private arm ownership in has no real physical force over the government.

[QUOTE=lolz3;42788597]To defend from a tyrannical Government take over which WILL happen. You think Cops are there for that? Cops are NOT your friends, the average response time for a single unit officer is 15 - 20 minutes IF YOU ARE LUCKY. Cops are there to protect Government establishments, that is their only priority and to arrest people that question or protest this. Criminals have more protection and rights then the people they victimize. Former cops and soldiers will tell you this. Once society has been disarmed the Government can reign freely and feed and leach off of everyone. You ban guns you allow it to be easier, not harder for criminals to get them. Every person in my neighborhood owns at least one gun and there has not been a single criminal act in 20 years in my area. But despite all that, I'm still the "EVIL HOMOPHOBIC CONSERVATIVE CHRISTIAN FAUX NEWS WATCHAAAAAAAAAA!" Every gun debate about taking guns has failed miserably.[/QUOTE] Wow. Are you for real?

[QUOTE=lolz3;42788676]Don't believe me, look at your own country there bud. "MUH GUN VIOLENCE NOT EXIST!" You're right, but your knife violence is almost double then ours.[/QUOTE] Have you ever bothered to look at the US's statistics? In 2011, [url=http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/crime-in-the-u.s/2011/crime-in-the-u.s.-2011/tables/expanded-homicide-data-table-8]1694 homicides used a knife[/url]. Between June 2011 and June 2012 in the [url=http://www.parliament.uk/briefing-papers/Sn04304.pdf]UK there were 200 homicides using "a sharp instrument"[/url] This means, per 100,000 people (using a population of ~312,000,000 for the US in 2011 and 63,700,000 in the UK for June 2012) the US has a homicide rate when the knife is the weapon used of 0.543 per 100,000 compared 0.314 per 100,000 for the UK.

[QUOTE=Squad1993;42788995]Find a more recent and relevant source.[/QUOTE] I dunno who you can act like this when people throw piece after piece of relevant, government-cited evidence at you (with a 16 year gap actually being extremely recent when it comes to data) and still make snide posts like this. Have some dignity you gigantic joker lmao. [editline]8th November 2013[/editline] [QUOTE=Ogopogo;42789112]Have you ever bothered to look at the US's statistics? In 2011, [url=http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/crime-in-the-u.s/2011/crime-in-the-u.s.-2011/tables/expanded-homicide-data-table-8]1694 homicides used a knife[/url]. Between June 2011 and June 2012 in the [url=http://www.parliament.uk/briefing-papers/Sn04304.pdf]UK there were 200 homicides using "a sharp instrument"[/url] This means, per 100,000 people (using a population of ~312,000,000 for the US in 2011 and 63,700,000 in the UK for June 2012) the US has a homicide rate when the knife is the weapon used of 0.543 per 100,000 compared 0.314 per 100,000 for the UK.[/QUOTE] Find a more recent and relevant source ;)